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Post by Jaga on Jun 2, 2015 16:14:39 GMT -7
Meet John Erik Wagner, the Danish political candidate whose new poster is getting international attention ahead of Denmark’s June 18 election for the office of prime minister. Why? Oh, nothing really — except for fact that he’s wearing nothing but a cowboy hat and a gun belt, the latter of which just barely hides his manhood.  |
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Post by karl on Jun 3, 2015 6:49:23 GMT -7
Jaga
The 2015, 18 June elections are at our door steps at present, and as you have brought forward, one some what desperate canadate for position of PM has conducted a rather daring campaign. Nudity is nothing new and Mr. John Eric Wagner is only vying for attention with this particular poster. The man just will not give up after 10 years and 3 election tries with failed results.
He is a 51 years old unemployed clothing designer in Copenhagen and this would be his application for a new job in government. What is sad with his situation, he is very photogenic and would do well modeling in the clothing industry, most likely the mature aspect clothing line. He knows the business but is not applying him self in that field.
His election promises appear to be of four sectors, one being free national dentist programme for all nationals. The other is quite controversial being: Scrapping the currant unemployment benefits programme and introducing a basic income level. The other being a mandatory work requirement of six months on and six months off work.
Karl
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Post by Jaga on Jun 3, 2015 14:19:54 GMT -7
Karl,
I did not realized that he is an unemployed clothing designer but..... he looks not any worse than Scott Brown from Massachusetts
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Post by pieter on Jun 4, 2015 6:18:16 GMT -7
Scandinavians and Germans like to run around naked. It's the Nordic Freikörperkultur ( FKK). The Dutch and Belgians are slightly less nudistic. FreikörperkulturFreikörperkultur (FKK) is a German movement whose name translates to Free Body Culture. It endorses a naturistic approach to sports and community living. Behind that is the joy of the experience of nature or also of being nude itself, without direct relationship to sexuality. The followers of this culture are called traditional naturists, FKK'ler, or nudists. The German nudist movement was the first worldwide and marked the start of an increased acceptance of public nudity in Germany. Today, there are only few legal restrictions on public nudity in Germany. Statement Pieter: I have no knowledge mof the Freikörperkultur in Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland and Iceland. Ofcourse the Scandinavian countries are different than the German peoples culture and high culture. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freik%C3%B6rperkulturde.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freik%C3%B6rperkultur |
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Post by karl on Jun 4, 2015 7:42:43 GMT -7
Pieter
Thank you for your very accurate response in the matter of public nudity and the German culture of: Free Body Culture.
I think though, it is to basics that provides an answer to questions of why, where and legality of nudity in Demark. For one very important reason, is the weather. Sun shine is not only very dear, nature will give for a day or some times many, her gift of warm sunshine in the summer months, then during the night, what she gives, she will take with a cool air mass sneaking inland and storm clouds taking over.
I think of another is perhaps a basic, for there is a certain amount of mutual trust between most, being that the other person will be personably responsible for their actions and respect to the other. With this, there is not a law if a person wishes to be nude at a public beach as it is not a public offense, it is just up to the individual to be responsible. Being responsible is to be considerate to others, such as not making a show in view of others, or as foreigner to be out with a camera snapping pictures.
There of course are signed off beaches as in Germany for nude only. I think perhaps this is for the purpose to not offend foreigners who are not occustomed to Denmark.
There though is a down side to being nude and shoe less. For a person needs be careful of too much sun on unprotected skin, sun burn! The other is being shoeless also means no foot protection, I still carry memories of past stepping on sharp stones and sharp tree twigs with resulting cuts and painful punchers.
The following is a experience of a foreigner American with her visit to Denmark and her reactions. She is a good writer and provides her experience in an expected manner of many foreigners to Denmark.
Let’s Get Naked
July 10, 2014 ·
by Becky Steckhahn-Strohmer ·
in Culture, Danes, Fun. ·
No, that wasn’t just a sexy title to get you to read my post, I actually want to talk about the naked Danes. As I am from the good old US of A where you are taught to “hide your shame, man!”, I had quite a shock coming to Denmark where people are stripping down all over the place. Want to go to the swimming hall? Time to get naked and shower with your fellow swimmers! Want free tickets to the Roskilde festival? Strip down and get running in the naked run. Sweaty after a hard work out? Get in the locker room and get those clothes off!
Moreover, it is not just that Danes like to get naked, it is required to get naked when showering at the gym or at the swimming hall. As I have been told by many a Dane when I question this policy of why I cannot leave my swimsuit on when showering, “there can be bacteria in your suit, you need to wash off completely”. This is one of the many instances where Danes think alike because they have been brought up with the same values and given the same information from the time they are one year old and start attending day care.
This brings us to janteloven or “the law of jante” which is the underlying philosophy in Denmark that everyone is equal and we should not think ourselves better than others. I guess that means it extends to physical appearance as well since they do not seem to mind getting naked in front of friends, family or even colleagues. Yes, you heard me right, even colleagues.
My second company Christmas lunch in Denmark, I was told that we were going to a spa. This, of course, involved going through a locker room to change and shower before getting to the other side with the pool, hot tub and sauna. When I panicked and asked my colleague if the showers had stalls, I was met with the response “we all have the same parts, what’s the big deal?”. In my mind, getting naked with people that you see on a professional basis five days a week was a bit much but as all of my colleagues seemed to be fine with it, I went along and tried to keep my eyes pointed towards the ceiling as much as possible to avoid any unwanted sightings. Needless to say, I broke the sacred naked rule and showered with my swimsuit on, luckily I got away with it. Sneaky American
Karl
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Post by pieter on Jun 4, 2015 8:31:11 GMT -7
You're welcome Karl, the Freikörperkultur was also a part of Eastern-Germany. In the netherlands there is a Freikörperkultur and Nudist element which forms a minority. You have seperate nudist beaches, where the majority space is for non-nudists. but you see few nudists at the beaches or at lakes.
In communist East-Germany (the GDR, DDR) the Free Body Culture was quite common.
From an esthetic and cultural point of view I am not such a great fan of nudism and the Freikörperkultur, because not everybody is as liberal or libertarian as the nudists, and in our society we have the dangers of voyeurs (onlookers), perverts, pedophiles and exhebitionists. I prefer dressed people, but accept nudist beaches, nudist resorts, special nudist vacation parks, area's and the right of nudists to be nudists in the places that are legal for them to be nudists. As long as people aren't forced or offensive it is ok. I think that I in my part have a mix of some Roman-Catholic and Calvinist prudish, christian, conservative or traditional elements in me.
In special places being nude is okay for me, like the Sauna, private or empty spaces and private homes, where there are walls, the protective cover of trees, plants and fences. The nudist subculture is not attractive to me, because often nudists have no self awareness of their own body shape, and have to do everything naked. I like the disciplin and estheticism of dressed people, and sometimes a scaresly dressed woman or man is more attractive for the opposite sex than a totally nude person. But that is ofcourse a question of the personal taste of a person. Ofcourse a nude woman is attactive for me as a man, but not in the collective group culture.
Nudism in the humanist, socialists, nationalist or sectarian context can also be to ideological, eugenetic (the perfect body, the perfect shape, in the sense of the boring social realism of Nazism and Stalinist art, which showed perfect nude or semi nude proletarian -worker- or peasent people). A very good friend of mine coming from a leftwing socialist left intellectual background hates, what he called the 'socialist nudist' culture in some leftist circles. He saw zero attractiveness in it and found the socialist nudism to forceful normal. People trying very hard to be very normal in the nudist context. He is a typical example from a person with a leftwing family background who has a large amount of leftwing selfmockery, irony about socialist things and a perfect sense due to that leftwing intellectual past. Being very articulate, intelligent and being able to understand leftwing and rightwing people, dcue to the sociological, psychological, philosophical, cultural, political, literary (proze and poetry) and artistic (fine art/contemporary art; the liberal arts) elements in his anarchistic and radical socialist upbringing. With his Anti-authoritarian, leftwing feminist (being raised by a political radical left socialist mother), nudist, pacifist (peace movement) upbringing he knows the nudist culture from the inside out.
Again, I believe nudism must be possible in safe, special, legal, and special aranged places, places which have been made suitable for nudism. Being naked is part of the human life and there can be circumstances that we are vulnerable and naked and we can not hide ourselves. When we are born, as children when we are washed and cleaned by our parents, when we create wonderful new life in the act of love (conception). But abuse (prostitution, sexual exploitation of minors, pornography, lover boys exploiting young naive girls and etc.) must be avoided at any time.
So in the sense of nudism I am in favor of gated communities or area's especially for nudists. If a certain part of the population is nudist, there can be made special area's for them. They can choose to go to nudist places with their nudist family, friends or colleages, and go the the public non-nudist beach with other friends with who are not nudist and then wear beach or swimmig suits or dresses.
Cheers,
Pieter
P.S.- This is ofcourse my private opinion and not the general Dutch opinion or even Western-European. I like dressed people and people with a good style of their own. Wheter they are working class, with a rural farmer background, being from a commercial navy background, fishermen/women, middle class, high class, nobility, aristocracy or from a royal family.
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Post by karl on Jun 4, 2015 14:05:22 GMT -7
Pieter
I do hope with trust that I have not given the impression that nudity is the norm in Denmark, for this would be light years from the truth. For most and my self, am not shocked or impressed with those that for what ever reason desire for the moment to go nude at the beach. It is not a common sight but then not uncommon for some one to remove their clothing and take a swim.
My self can not speak for Sweden, but Norway is not different with exception that it is extremely difficult to find a beach on the shore line. The coast is very rugged and rocky, with this, the water is a bit cold because of the currants. There it is common for a family to use the sauna and in those things, clothing is just out of reason. The summer is short and the winter cold will follow the fall, to heat soak in the sauna is very nice, then once enough is enough, to open the door and make a run through the snow is not as difficult as it may be emagined. But only enough to cool off then into the house in an quick eye blink towle off and get dressed.
Yes, my self am not so different then your self, I prefer to be dressed in what ever and have not visited any nudist camps and see no attraction to do so.
It needs be though, to realize we are speaking with a broad brush stroke of Denmark and not every one is the same.
There are some things though that are a reality in life. Most every thing in Norway is very expensive, the wages are good, but still the prices of food/petrol and things of life, are very pricy. Many folks there travel to Sweden for to stock up on groceries. Then with the above, Swedish people often will travel to Denmark for the excellent selections to purchase from. For some reason, Swedish for the most part, think of Denmark as exotic, not exactly sure of why. They seem to think the bakery products are better and sweets are more varied with selection and prices.
I am not sure for I have not traveled to Sweden for never in past a reason to do so.
Karl
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Post by Jaga on Jun 4, 2015 22:56:52 GMT -7
Pieter,
yes, I am aware of German freikultur. but some of the movies do not have too much sense. Why naked people would dig up the sand and the work with hammer. This is not even practical....
By the way, in Poland we have a bit more freikulur compared with the US, but less than in Germany.
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