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Post by pieter on Jul 16, 2018 4:45:28 GMT -7
The disaster of alcoholic parents in Moscow and other large cities in Russia makes children homeless. It is very hard for these little children to survive in a tough city as Moscow. Beautiful but very sad and tragic documentary.
P.S.- I fear you have the same kind of children in other Slavic and non-Slavic countries. Alcoholism and drugs addiction is a problem for many families.
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Post by Jaga on Jul 18, 2018 1:59:46 GMT -7
What a sad story, glad that somebody document it and these kids are getting some help
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Post by karl on Jul 18, 2018 16:27:28 GMT -7
Pieter
I did not want to see this nor hear of this, but this is the real world we live in, and a person may not have the privilege to say, Russia is Russia, for that is escapism. These are little children, little people at the mercy of the world around them. Their entire lives are in front of them waiting to be lived out. For to say their parents are on alcohol, drugs or what ever, is a simple excuse of cowardice. And, if I may say, for a government with the resources to put a rocket to the moon, they darn well have the resources to hunt down all these little people we call children and care for them properly. Then hunt down the parents and put them to work until they sweat out all they have taken in alcohol and drugs whilst stacking bricks and paving roadways.
My self though, I suppose, is the vast difference between our selves of the North Sea to that of the Slavics.
If perhaps above is objectionable to others, I have not much to defend my self by for temperment.
Karl
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Post by pieter on Jul 19, 2018 4:40:44 GMT -7
Karl, My mother who has slavic roots hates the alcoholism in Poland and Russia, because she saw the demoralizing effect of alcoholism in the Polish Peoples Republic in the Capital Warsaw but also in Poznań where her parents lived. She thus travelled between Warsaw and Poznań in the fifties and sixties and saw the demoralising and bad effects of alcoholism on certain sectors of the population. Later I saw the alcoholism in Poznań (1984/1987) myself, next to the good, decent, non alcoholic people ofcourse, but I witnessed as a child what alcoholism does to people. To be honest you have alcoholism in the Netherlands, Germany and Denmark too, the Germanic variant. Fact is that maybe alcoholism is less accepted in Germanic societies and therefor it is hidden. But it does exist. I slavic countries in more primitive peasent or workingclass circles (but also some degenerate, decadent and hedonistic aristocratic or middle class/high class circles) alcoholism is more visible, because the presence of Vodka, Raki, cheap liquer stores (also with whiskey and rum), and the excellent slavic beers, the presence and acceptance of alcohol and alcoholism is different. In Russia, Ukraine and Belarus in some places the level of alcoholism (alcohol) abuse is terrible. Some Russian and Ukrainian women want Western partners to escape the alcoholist disastrous culture of their fathers, brothers, uncles, neighbours, boyfriends or the failed relationship with their husbants due to their alcoholism. Alcoholism is a problem and a silent disaster and killer of families, husbands and wives, all over the West. We shouldn't be silent about that. You have alcoholism in Canada, the USA, Australia, South-Africa (in the white communities), New Zealand, Great-Britain (the UK), Ireland, and Western-Europe too. Again, often it is more hidden, but it is equally destructive for families, children, wives or husbands (in the case of an alcoholic wife with mental problems) too. My mother has a great dislike, contempt and hatred for alcoholism, whether it is in Poland, Russia, the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, France, Denmark South-Africa or the USA. She doesn't like it and is extremely disciplined herself. She never drinks more than one glass of wine, and sometimes even half a glass of wine. I often drink the other half or her glass of wine. Cheers, Pieter
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Post by pieter on Jul 19, 2018 4:53:20 GMT -7
Dear Karl,
As a human being I had a hard time to watch the Children of Leningradsky. Children are children, whether they are Polish, American, Dutch, German, Slovak, Danish, South-African or Russian. I had tears in my eyes when I saw the dead Russian girl at her funeral, but I also knew that being dead was maybe better than an awful life as a homeless child, teenage girl and woman in the terrible tough world of homeless people in Moscow. Wherever you live as homeless girl or woman being homeless is especially tough and dangerous for little girls (children), teenage girls, young women and adult women. Sexual, verbal and violent physical abuse by other homeless people, sexual perverts, corrupt and normal police, strangers, Hooligans and other thugs are the dangers you face as homeless female child, girl or woman. In the Netherlands, Germany and Denmark too, but especially in a large and tough city as Moscow. And add to that the terrible heat in the summer and extreme cold in the winter. It is hard to survive over there. I hope that god will take care of her simple, modest, Russian soul. Rest in Peace dear little Russian girl. Maybe her death touched me, because she looks like a Dutch girfriend of mine who has Russian ancesters. Yes, I know slavic people in the Netherlands, Ukrainian, Polish, Russian, Czech, Serb, Croat and Bosnian people.
I am not offended by your words Karl, because my Germanic 50% side sometimes thinks like you and clashes with my 50% slavic roots side and Polish pride and over-sensitiveness. The latter is a delicassy, refined feeling, sentiment and hurt pride which is inside me. Okay, I have admitted that I have a *Germanic-Slavic dualism (ambivalence maybe). I hope that Jaga's Ela is free of that. My West-European and Central-European melt in my Continental European being. I am a North-West-European like Karl.
Each of the European regions and peoples have their specialities, particularities, sensitivities, qualities, down sides, pride, ethnocentric elements, traditions, Patriotism and uniqueness, like Canadians, Americans and South-Africans have their uniqueness too.
Cheers, Pieter
P.S.- *Maybe you have your own version of this with your Danish/Frisian/German mix of genes and dual parenthood.
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Post by pieter on Jul 19, 2018 6:30:17 GMT -7
For a child a monster can be realThe Fragile Childhood activity has begun in 1986 and has been established as a well-known form of activity in Finland. lasinenlapsuus.fiFragile Childhood activities are designed to encourage people to participate anonymously in discussion and to share their thoughts about responsible parental drinking on a dedicated platform: www.facebook.com/lasinenlapsuusThe campaign activities are also to highlight the fact that is still not widely understood how much harm parental drinking problems causes to children. For example, previous research has shown that every fourth Finnish child has suffered some harm because of its parent's alcohol usage.
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Post by karl on Jul 19, 2018 11:49:13 GMT -7
Pieter
Thank you for your reply that was both honest and factual, and, I was a bit over wrought with my reply concerning the Russian plight of alcoholism and effects upon the children. With this, to place entirely blame upon Slavics, for as you have kindly described as not so. You are right, this is a similar problem in the west as in the east and honest people have to deal with it.
My self do wonder at times, the effect of our dualism that was dealt to us at birth. For as you, also my self, for my Scandinavian temperment rushes up, then my German side tempers and weighs the situation for a better solution. I do not believe we have a situation of bi-polar, simply our manner of resolving a sensitive reaction in to a workable mindset.
I very well understand your feelings and reaction to the dead Russian girl at her funeral. We as honest moral people do have a similar reaction to this as have described. With this, at least my self, over the years, have become more and more pro-life. Even to extending to animals and birds, I realize we have to eat, with this extends to the market place for our groceries including meat products. I understand this, but do not understand the actions of others killing animals and birds just for sport and out of meanness. But then also, I may not excuse my self for some years in past of hunting and shooting game animals.
The last animal I shot in season was a black bear many many years past. It was a lucky very long range shot, as I finally got to him, he looked at me and died. I sit down by him and cried, some one else had to dress him out to take him back to camp. That was the last animal in my life I killed, no more.
Karl
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