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Post by pieter on Oct 2, 2018 4:09:51 GMT -7
I agree with John's remark! Excellent article Kai!
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Post by pieter on Oct 2, 2018 4:24:15 GMT -7
+++Would Kavanaugh’s behavior have been considered acceptable in Ghana? Awuah said absolutely not+++ what about Hillary Clinton? Is he behaved the same way when she was interrogated? +++One said: “The Kavanaugh incident was entirely planned by the old witch Feinstein. Lock her up!" +++ I did not realize that there are some famous witches in Chinese tradition +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ On a personal note - I experienced lots of discrimination in Idaho due to my origin (not being in Idaho and in the US forever), due to my political views and especially because of my gender. Women in LDS community are mothers (usually 4-10 children) and submissive wives. here is more: www.idahostatesman.com/news/business/article210618284.htmlThis study named Idaho the worst state for working moms. Here's why. Jaga, I am sorry you have to go through this. There are a few options, but they might be hard to accept. First you could adapt to the Idaho Latter-day Saints culture, integrate, assimilate and live with the regional culture. Secondly, you could and should do like your are doing now, being yourself and trying to make the best of it despite the differences, difficulties and the suffering you have to endure. Third, you and John could move to a more liberal or progressive state where it is easier for working moms, working women to live and work. Forth, you could move to a city in Idaho where there are more people and where there are hopefully more Roman-Catholics like you are. I know what it is to be a minority Jaga, I grew up in a Calvinist and secular Socialist area of the Netherlands as a Roman-Catholic boy. And had to live with a culture which was not always Catholic friendly, but I lived through it and saw the positive and negative elements of both the Calvinist majority, the Roman-Catholic minority and the socialist workers of my city. I want to make it clear that I don't want to compare my situation back then with your situation right now. I sincerly believe that your situation is more difficult, because you are seen as an outsider, someone who is not from Idaho, not a LDS, not a real American in some of their eyes, because you are a Central European migrant who speaks English American with a Slavic accent and therefor might be seen as un-American. So your position is clearly different than my position back then. How it must have been for my Polish mother to be a Central-European migrant in the late sixties and early seventies in a provincial town and environment with local/regional provincial thinking and living harbour workers, dock yard workers, farmers, fishermen and local provincial middle class and a tiny highclass is hard to understand if you weren't in her shoes. It was difficult she told me. Cheers, Pieter |
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Post by JustJohn or JJ on Oct 3, 2018 4:40:46 GMT -7
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Post by karl on Oct 3, 2018 18:43:51 GMT -7
Dear Jaga
How little was my self to fully understand your situation amongst those of that religious order. It was then to see the reply of Pieter that it came to my mind your situation. In this, I am very sorry, for my self have no answer other then what you are doing to survive and care for your family in that hostile part of that known world.
The above at the moment is the best I have the right to say. What ever the future shall bring though, be assured, you have friends here that think only the best for you
Little people such as these LDS people create difficult situations for intelligent folks such as your self. I have heard of many things about these people and most are not very good.
Karl
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Post by Jaga on Oct 3, 2018 20:36:15 GMT -7
Kai
+++The point is that we’re suffering from the same disease — white nationalism run wild — that has already effectively killed democracy in some other Western nations. And we’re very, very close to the point of no return.+++
I would not simplify Paul Krugman's conclusion just to this point. I think liberal elites, at least in Poland did not solve many of people's problems. Maybe they were too much of the big picture and they were too much into making themselves wealthy also, and this made people to dig out and put more walls around.
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Post by Jaga on Oct 3, 2018 20:45:24 GMT -7
Dear Karl, thanks for understanding and please, don;t blame yourself. I am actually in Salt Lake City, Utah today and I will stay here until Saturday. John undergoes an important medical procedure. Salt Lake is a capital of the LDS world, but it is also a place that became very vibrant and diverse, partly due to LDS mission of bringing refugees from other parts of the world. Unfortunately - there are also problems in Salt Lake city center. We were told not to venture out outside after dark since there are so many homeless people. I went to the closest grocery store and I saw many homeless - mainly white elderly man and women.... some are sitting in the park. It is sad but we cannot stop seeing these people and completely neglect them. I guess - the diversity and openess bring just other challenges which are not even noticed when the community is closed bond but also not accepting and accommodating. Dear Jaga How little was my self to fully understand your situation amongst those of that religious order. It was then to see the reply of Pieter that it came to my mind your situation. In this, I am very sorry, for my self have no answer other then what you are doing to survive and care for your family in that hostile part of that known world. The above at the moment is the best I have the right to say. What ever the future shall bring though, be assured, you have friends here that think only the best for you Little people such as these LDS people create difficult situations for intelligent folks such as your self. I have heard of many things about these people and most are not very good. Karl |
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