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Post by Jaga on Nov 26, 2018 20:56:17 GMT -7
Polish media are all over this, but in the US the news are about immigrants crossing the boarded and being welcomed with the tear gas.
here are the details of what is going on in Ukraine: www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ukraine-declares-martial-law-after-russian-naval-attack-n940256 Ukraine declares martial law after Russian naval attackMOSCOW — Ukraine's parliament voted Monday to impose martial law in the country to fight what its president called "growing aggression" from Moscow after a weekend naval confrontation off the disputed Crimean Peninsula in which Russia fired on and seized three Ukrainian vessels amid renewed tensions between the neighbors. Western leaders and diplomats urged both sides to de-escalate the conflict, and the U.S. blamed Russia for what it called "unlawful conduct" over Sunday's incident in the Black Sea. Russia and Ukraine blamed each other in the dispute that further ratcheted up tensions ever since Moscow annexed Crimea in 2014 and threw its weight behind separatists in eastern Ukraine with clandestine support, including troops and weapons. Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko asked lawmakers in Kiev to institute martial law, something the country has not done even during the worst of the fighting in the east that killed about 10,000 people. After a five-hour debate, parliament overwhelmingly approved his proposal, voting to impose martial law for 30 days.
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Post by pieter on Nov 27, 2018 16:12:20 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Nov 27, 2018 16:21:29 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Nov 27, 2018 16:25:48 GMT -7
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Post by Jaga on Nov 28, 2018 19:07:47 GMT -7
Pieter, thanks for the update. These news made even some impact on pres. Trump. He is less willing to meet with Putin than before what happened.
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Post by Jaga on Nov 28, 2018 19:08:16 GMT -7
Here is more about the current development: www.thisisinsider.com/ukraine-martial-law-russia-conflct-azov-sea-2018-11 Martial law was imposed in parts of Ukraine on Wednesday in response to rising tensions with Russia. Parliament on Monday voted in favor of enacting 30 days of martial law, but President Petro Poroshenko says the government will use its new powers only in the event of "Russian military aggression." Martial law allows the government to ban protests, detain foreigners, seize private property, censor the media, and stop elections. Poroshenko said he was responding to an "act of armed aggression" after Russia fired at and captured three Ukrainian vessels in the Azov Sea on Sunday. Poroshenko promised not to restrict citizens' rights and freedoms or introduce censorship.
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Post by pieter on Nov 29, 2018 11:15:38 GMT -7
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Post by rdywenur on Nov 30, 2018 15:49:30 GMT -7
My friend is Ukrainian and tells me a Russsian shot a Ukranian cause he was holding up the Ukranian flag. Someone need to take out Putin those are my thoughts.
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Post by pieter on Nov 30, 2018 17:12:28 GMT -7
Welcome back Rdywenur.
I think that the situation in Ukraine is a civil war and where a war is both sides commit atrocities. On both sides Ultra-Nationalists, fanatics and extremists fight on the front in the Donbask region in Eastern-Ukraine next to normal decent army soldiers. It is sad that someone is killed just for holding a flag. Taking out Putin will be more difficult than to take out a Western leader, because he is surrounded by body guards, FSB forces and Spetsnaz special forces Rdywenur.
An assassination of Putin would take put revenge of Russian nationalists which will escalate the situation. But I understand your emotions. I have Ukrainian-American family (married with Polish-American family).
Cheers, Pieter
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Post by pieter on Nov 30, 2018 17:16:36 GMT -7
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Post by karl on Nov 30, 2018 17:45:13 GMT -7
It would appear that in past, Ukraine has been unstable, and as past and present issues, it equally appears nothing has changed. We are very fortunate That Ukraine is not a member of the EU after all.
Karl
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Post by Jaga on Dec 6, 2018 23:48:18 GMT -7
Karl, I agree, with my all sympathy to Ukraine, it would be hard for the EU to deal with this country which is still looking for its identity, or maybe it would split of became a federation of two distinct parts. It would appear that in past, Ukraine has been unstable, and as past and present issues, it equally appears nothing has changed. We are very fortunate That Ukraine is not a member of the EU after all. Karl
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