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Post by pieter on May 10, 2019 11:32:20 GMT -7
Polish and Rsusian guy speak Polish and Russian to each other. Funny and interesting in the linguistic sense. Wonder if Jaga can follow this (the Russian guy)
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Post by karl on May 10, 2019 11:39:12 GMT -7
Pieter
Very good your last two videos that are a nice exchange between Poles and German tourist. It is exchanges such as these that promote understanding of people simply next door for both sides I must say.
Your diplomatic side is once again showing,,and, very well...
Karl
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Post by pieter on May 10, 2019 11:41:09 GMT -7
Nice view from a Polish country road
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Post by kaima on May 10, 2019 21:51:04 GMT -7
On my first second trip to Poland (first was a weekend bus tour from Germany to Wroclaw) I had toured SE Polish countryside with an American-Lemko for a few days, returned my rental car and spent grand time in Krakow. On that first visit it displaced Vienna on my "Golden Triangle" of favoriet EU cities, which includes Prague and Budapest. Getting from Krakow to the Poprad area was ... mmmm... a bit troublesome, with a bus to Zakopane, a long wait with a pleasant Polish tourist heading from Warsaw to a Slovak Spa week, and the bus trip along this same route to Poprad.
This likely follows closely an ancient trade route between Slovakia (then Northern Hungary) and Poland. I wish the video had shown the border signs, as in the second half I looked at the sparse trees to the right and was reminded that there was a 2002 wind storm that knocked down an extremely large part of the pine / spruce forest in the Slovak TANAP (Tatra) national park.
Well, I will be back there in a month or so, hoping to enjoy it all once again! Thanks for posting the video, Pieter!
Kai
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Post by pieter on May 10, 2019 22:12:57 GMT -7
Kaima,
Thanks for contriburting to this thread. I am glad that you were able to visit, explore and experience Poland. A beautiful country in my memories from my childhood, teenage years and when I was there as a 34 year old and 36 years old man. Was your bus journey from Krakow to the Poprad a bit troublesome due to road conditions, geographical (mountain) conditions or due to the way Poles and Slovaks drive (Behave in traffic) or was it a combination of these factors? I understand your remark about the border signs and and the sparce trees, because I often think the same about Western-Euroepan video's of area's and mountain regions I have visited. I have experienced such a wind storm that knocked down an extremely large part of the pine / spruce forest in the Belgian Ardennes mountain muncipalty I was in when in 1994 a destructive storm knocked down the forests, thousands of trees next to my parents vacation house there. Like in the Slovak TANAP (Tatra) national park the destruction of trees was enormous there. It were few of the most scary moments of my life. The lights turned down during that extreme storm. And extreme winds, and horizontal heavy hail and rain storms hit the house, large trees were hit by extreme winds and broke like they were matches. The house was shaking and the floor was moving like waves in the sea or a lake.
I am looking forward to reading your replies.
Cheers, Pieter
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Post by pieter on May 10, 2019 22:17:42 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on May 10, 2019 22:20:28 GMT -7
These Dutch people take some risks driving central European roads with dangerous traffic. Just my opinion.
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Post by pieter on May 10, 2019 22:23:06 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on May 11, 2019 0:19:33 GMT -7
The story of a Polish Jewish woman
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Post by Jaga on May 11, 2019 0:22:54 GMT -7
Pieter, this biking roads showed by youtube are quite beautiful although sometimes dangerous. I found aother movie showing Eastern wall of Poland during winter. The driver visit also Polish mosque. The eastern area of Poland is the most empty, since Ukrainians were resettled after WW II
video.wp.pl/i,wzdluz-sciany-wschodniej-wyprawa-z-polnocy-na-poludnie-polski-na-pokladzie-skody-kodiaq-4x4,mid,2031855,cid,8053,klip.html?ticaid=11d678
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Post by pieter on May 11, 2019 1:26:46 GMT -7
Jaga,
Beautiful images of Poland in the winter together with that Skoda 4 wheel drive car. Nice images with pleasant ambient music with it. The images have an art house movie feel and the landscape is somewhat melancholic Central- and Eastern-Europe. Let's explore Poland and Central Europe more, and try to post images, photographs, drawings, paintings, documentaries and movies or movie trailers about Poland, Eastern-Germany, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Austria, Hungary, the Batlic states and maybe Western-Ukraine (the Polish Lviv part) on this Forum.
I challange the other Forum members to post photo's, stories, experiences with (Poles, East-Germans, Austrians, Czechs, Slovaks, Hungarians, Baltic people, Ukrainians/Russians, Belarussians, Romanians) on this Forum. Do you know Central-Europeans or Eastern-Europeans in your environment? How do you experience these expat or diaspora migrant families. Do you have positive experiences, negative experiences or neutral observations?
Karl met Russians and Ukrainians abroad (outside Germany), how were your experiences with them? Why did you have more difficult contacts or encounter with Poles. Did you had contact with Poles during the Cold War or only after the Cold War (1989).
Jaga, do you have Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, other Germans (than your husband John), Russians, Ukrainians, Belarussians, Slovenians, Serbs, Croats, Montenegrins, Macedonians, Bulgarians, Hungarians, Romanians, Bulgarians, Baltic people, Georgians or Armenians in your environment,or are the people in Idaho mainly Anglo-Saxon Mormoms, WASPS (White Anglo Saxon Protestants and thus people of English, Scottish, Welsh, Northern-Irish, and Americans of German and Scandinavian descent? Plus the small black, and latino minorities.
How is the ethnic mix in your Alaska Kai, do you have a lot of Slavic people over there or is it a more a WASP state?
How about your places John, Jeanne, Ludiwk, Eric and others?
Cheers, Pieter
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Post by kaima on May 11, 2019 7:43:51 GMT -7
Kaima, . Was your bus journey from Krakow to the Poprad a bit troublesome due to road conditions, geographical (mountain) conditions or due to the way Poles and Slovaks drive (Behave in traffic) or was it a combination of these factors?
Cheers, Pieter I can almost say I was in a grumpy mood, with only the inconvenient bus schedule to complain about. Connections were not good, I was 'stuck' in Zakopane for 4 or 5 hours and had to figure out which bus lane the right bus came to, and managed that more or less at the last minute. A large part of that is the manly tendency not to ask directions. More of the grumpy side, I had foolishly expected a small alpine village, but of course Zakopane is a large tourist center, simply because so many tourists like me come and demand service, which the Poles are famous for happily providing! I admire their business sense. They are willing to provide services requested and charge a fair price, relatively cheap by US standards. In some other formerly communist countries the free enterprise spirit was tampened down or lost with the two generations of oppression. In Poland they kept the spirit alive, and it serves tourists and residents well (they can earn a living!).
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Post by kaima on May 11, 2019 7:54:33 GMT -7
Here is a video very different from my own experiences - I am familiar with motor cycles but am not a rider, and have never ridden one in Europe, but this lady travels some familiar territory starting at Budapest, going through Slovakia and int Poland. My first impression is that she does it in fine style, and I hope you agree after you see this. Last stay in Budapest I was right around the corner from the Old Market Hall, the two tone brick hall shown at the beginning of the clip. I am currently laying out plans for where to go during my upcoming EU trip from mid June to mid July. Then it is come home and help my partner build her dream house on Kachemak Bay in Alaska ...
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Post by karl on May 11, 2019 19:13:55 GMT -7
Perhaps my self have been a little closed mouth with personal experiences with Eastern and Central Europeans, it is then to dig my self out of the hole of silence.
Some years past whilst assigned in Personnel which at that time was in Bonn. Whilst there, I was living in one of the family {Fathers family} owned homes and needed a house keeper or some one to at least come by once or better twice weekly to clean and at least appear that some one was in and out of the house. For often as naught, my appearances were very irregular with the possiblity of some one breaking in and making a mess of things or worse, damage from a water leak or fire.
At that time, with a placement requirement at the local work centre, a Turkish lady answered the placed order and after a meeting at the work centre, I hired her and the centre completed the neccessary paper work and agreed upon salary for her plus their fee. At that time, I would have been willing to pay twice their asking fee, to get a reliable person rather male or female. Actually I had rathered it be a male so as not any sort of question of conduct, but the young lady had very good experince of duties out lined. All cleaning supplies would be furnished includant of upright vacuum cleaner, brooms and what ever cleaning rags needed.
Well, the first day arrived for the young lady {Isabella} to report in for her cleaning duties, and not just her, but her father and her mother both. The mother had a scowling look and begin their inspection of the house, she would run her finger over a shelf and click her tongue at me, then run her toe over the floor and glare at me once again. I then shown them the location of cleaning supplies and how the vacuum worked and house keys they inspected and gave to their daughter. Upon their leaving, the mother very much suprised me with her leaving comment, she said I had a nice house but it needed a wife to make it complete.
What I found with this Turkish family, was they are very family oriented and close. In time, her parents and my self become very good friends and was invited on many occasions to their home. The only thing I would not eat was goat meat. In those times, I learnt a great deal of Turkish people I had very little idea until then about them. With this, I learnt also a great deal of my self and my thinking which had changed so much about Turkish people up to that time. Isabella and my self become very good friends but that was all, I learnt she later met a nice Turkish fellow and married him.
Noten please: If my stories appear boring, it is that my work relies upon reports/memos both situational and research. I do try to keep my work life and private separate, then the manner of reality seems to come in to play and that is the way it is.
Karl
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Post by Jaga on May 11, 2019 21:18:43 GMT -7
Hello Karl, I remember that you had a cleaning lady from Turkey in Bremen also. As for Isabella... it is a bit strange that she came with her mother and father. I like the way you described her mother. It seems that whatever Isabella was doing it was becoming a business for the whole family. Referring to the family being close - don't you think that this happens when people do not know the language and develop a form of ghetto in the foreign country? I am pretty sure that among professors or businessmen you would find more cosmopolitan people than among simple folks. It was so nice that they invited you to their house. Referring to the goat meat - I just made a goat meat dish last week, we are still eating it. It is good but not terribly good. Perhaps my self have been a little closed mouth with personal experiences with Eastern and Central Europeans, it is then to dig my self out of the hole of silence. Well, the first day arrived for the young lady {Isabella} to report in for her cleaning duties, and not just her, but her father and her mother both. The mother had a scowling look and begin their inspection of the house, she would run her finger over a shelf and click her tongue at me, then run her toe over the floor and glare at me once again. I then shown them the location of cleaning supplies and how the vacuum worked and house keys they inspected and gave to their daughter. Upon their leaving, the mother very much suprised me with her leaving comment, she said I had a nice house but it needed a wife to make it complete. What I found with this Turkish family, was they are very family oriented and close. In time, her parents and my self become very good friends and was invited on many occasions to their home. The only thing I would not eat was goat meat. In those times, I learnt a great deal of Turkish people I had very little idea until then about them. With this, I learnt also a great deal of my self and my thinking which had changed so much about Turkish people up to that time. Isabella and my self become very good friends but that was all, I learnt she later met a nice Turkish fellow and married him. Noten please: If my stories appear boring, it is that my work relies upon reports/memos both situational and research. I do try to keep my work life and private separate, then the manner of reality seems to come in to play and that is the way it is. Karl
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