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Post by karl on Jan 15, 2020 10:54:47 GMT -7
Pieter A very terrible situation of this civilian airliner {Ukrainian International Airliner} shot down with so many associated deaths that should never have occured if the correct steps had been taken. Prior to the occasion, all civilian air flights should have been closed. This was not done and then to heap mistakes upon mistakes, the official proclamation was a denial of responsibility. For with the above, one official lie follows another until the truth could not be avoided. Now, the Iranian public see and understand their Government has lied to them and in doing so, have now to suffer shared guilt. For as the above is not bad enough, the entire crash scene was cleaned up as such, evidence was tampered with making follow up crash scene more difficult to investigate. What though is apparant, is the shot gun missile damage upon the remaining airframe. www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/11/iran-plane-crash-admission-sparks-unrest-in-tehranKarl |
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Post by Jaga on Jan 16, 2020 5:41:26 GMT -7
Pieter, I watched the ANC report which you posted. It was good, thank you. Although I don't blame only Iran for shooting the airplane and as the report said even Iranian military commander feels really bad about it. The main reason why it happened was this sudden unnecessary escalation by the US assassinating a man second in power and trying to justify it.
Iran is under the sanctions, it is hard to find a job and travel. There is a part of the society that is very educated and modern and you can see it on the pictures, and the part which is nationalistic, very religious and xenophobic. They are still ruled by the ajatollah. I just think the only way Iran would become better - if the allow more change, although they can keep ajatollah in formal power. I am distressed how the US and Israel and sunni Arabs try to isolate and punish Iran. I hope this would change. The people of Iran need the change.
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Post by pieter on Jan 16, 2020 9:33:23 GMT -7
Dear Jaga,
Iran is one of the regional and world powers, due to it's leading role in the Shia Muslim world of 200 million Shia Muslims. Iran has a population of about 82,531,700 people. So about 117,500,000 Shia Muslims are not Iranian. And Iran has a lot of influence on these Lebanese, Iraqi, Bahreini, Afghan and Pakistani Shia Muslims. There is a Proxi war going on in the Middle east between the leaders of the Sunni Islam and the leaders of the Shia Islam, Saoudi Arabia and Iran. Imagine that about 1.6 billion of the 1.8 billion of total Muslims are Sunni Muslims (minus the 10 to 20 million Ahmadiyya Muslims [ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya ]). In that sense Saoudi Arabia is powerful, if it has enough support in that huge Sunni Muslim world. But Saoudi Arabia gets competition in that Sunni Muslim world from the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas in Gaza, Turkey, Islamic State and Al Qaida. The Shia themselves are divided in many fractions, some Pro-Iranians and other anti-Iranian, Arabic Shia Muslims.
Major general Qasem Soleimani was primarily responsible for extraterritorial military and clandestine operations. In his later years, he was considered the second most powerful person in Iran behind Ayatollah Khamenei, as well as being his right-hand man.
Soleimani strengthened the relationship between Quds Force and Hezbollah upon his appointment, and supported the latter by sending in operatives to retake southern Lebanon. Soleimani was one of the staunchest supporters of the Syrian government of Bashar al-Assad in the Syrian Civil War.
Soleimani was reported to have personally led the drive deep into the southern Aleppo countryside where many towns and villages fell into government hands. He reportedly commanded the Syrian Arab Army's 4th Mechanized Division, Hezbollah, Harakat Al-Nujaba (Iraqi), Kata'ib Hezbollah (Iraqi), Liwaa Abu Fadl Al-Abbas (Iraqi), and Firqa Fatayyemoun (Afghan/Iranian volunteers).
Soleimani was described by an ex-CIA operative as "the single most powerful operative in the Middle East today" and the principal military strategist and tactician in Iran's effort to combat Western influence and promote the expansion of Shiite and Iranian influence throughout the Middle East. In Iraq, as the commander of the Quds Force, he was believed to have strongly influenced the organization of the Iraqi government, notably supporting the election of previous Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri Al-Maliki.
Always take into account the ethnic, racial and peoples differences between the Semitic Arabs and the Persian Indo-Iranian peoples, with their Aryan background (Aryan is the ethnic label for the Indo-Aryan people of the Vedic period in Ancient India. In India the light skinned upper classes and thus the superior groups in the Hindu cast system have a Indo-Aryan heritage). The Indo-Iranian people look different than the Semitic Arab people, they speak Persian Farsi a Western Iranian language belonging to the Iranian branch of the Indo-Iranian subdivision of the Indo-European languages. Iranian people are extremely proud on their heritage, the Old Persian empire which existed from the 6th century BC Achaemenid Empire era to the 20th century AD. The ancient Persian city Persapolis The Frieze of the Griffins. Sourced from Wikipedia Ancient ruins Persepolis Shiraz Iran city of the Persians The Achaemenid Persian Empire (550–330 B.C.)  The Achaemenid Persian Empire (550–330 B.C.) Room 52, in the British Museum with the Cyrus Cylinder created 539–538 BC.The Iranians I met were quite educated, quite historical aware of their country, quite intelligent, quite Patriotic and nationalistic, but also open in communication and aware of the difficult situation their country and people are in. Most Iranians in the West are of course anti-regime, but they have some historical and political issues with the USA and the United Kingdom as well. Iranians like other Middle eastern people, Arabs, Kurds and Turks often speak about the role the French and British colonizers played there and about the disruptive role of the Brits and Americans who played power games, divide and rule and supported bad regimes, corrupt leaders and were involved in Coup 'd etats, powerchanges and manipulation. Orf course there are a lot of consparicy theories concerning the USA influence and presence there.
Many Iranians want a secular, democratic, Free, Independent, Sovereign Iran whith good connections with the West and with it's neighbours. Many Iranians are fed up with the Ayatollah's. Only low educated, very religious and brainwashed people support the regime. And the regime pays for the loyalty of it's supporters. "
Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by pieter on Jan 16, 2020 10:53:48 GMT -7
Jaga, There are various things I want to say. Strategically, tactically and humanwise in the sense of retaliation for the killing of US soldiers by Iranian of the Quards force and Shia militia inside Iraq I understand the assassination of Major general Qasem Soleimani. They eliminated the best military leader, Shia triangle strategist, the second most powerful man in Iran and they took revenge for the killed Americans. Iran is less strong without the genious military strategist and charismatic commander Soleimani who had connection with all non-Iranian militia's, Fractions, groups and movements that were Pro-Iran. On the Shia Militia terrorst side and Shia death squad side he was a master puppet master. Iran and Soleimani were not a bunch of innocent kids or a reasonable moderate regional power. Iran is busy in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon. In the 2011 civil uprising phase of the Syrian civil war, Iran was said to be providing Syria with technical support based on Iran's capabilities developed following the 2009–2010 Iranian election protests. According to US journalist Geneive Abdo writing in September 2011, the Iranian government provided the Syrian government with technology to monitor e-mail, cell phones and social media. Iran developed these capabilities in the wake of the 2009 protests and spent millions of dollars establishing a "cyber army" to track down dissidents online. Iran's monitoring technology is believed to be among the most sophisticated in the world, perhaps only second to China. ( web.archive.org/web/20120320184525/http://www.insideiran.org/featured/how-iran-keeps-assad-in-power-in-syria/ ) For instance the Syrian city of Zabadani is vitally important to Assad and to Iran because, at least as late as June 2011, the city served as the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps's logistical hub for supplying Hezbollah.[49] Prior to the Syrian war, Iran had between 2,000 and 3,000 IRGC officers stationed in Syria, helping to train local troops and managing supply routes of arms and money to neighboring Lebanon. The Sunni world claims that the fierce insistence of Iran's ruling clerics to engage actively in the Syrian crisis is driven by sectarianism rather than political strategy. The great differences between the Alawites and the Twelver Shiites have been apparently overlooked. Although the Assad government has enjoyed a political alliance with ruling clerics in Iran from the time of its establishment, this alliance is not driven by any common religious/sectarian causes. The secular Ba'ath government in Syria did not participate in Iranian religious issues, and the Ayatollahs in Iran did not consider Assad a Shiite partner.[105] ([105] Merkel, Wolfgang; Kollmorgen, Raj; Wagener, Hans-Jürgen (2019). The Handbook of Political, Social, and Economic Transformation. Oxford University Press. ISBN 9780192565464. ) In a March 2018 poll of 1,011 adults across all of Syria's 14 governorates, 64% of Syrians said that Iran's influence on their country was an overall negative, while 32% said Iran's influence was an overall positive.[106] ( [106] orb-international.com/2018/03/15/syria-public-opinion-snapshot-2018/ ) Three polls in 2016-2017 showed that the Iranian population generally supported intervention in Syria; in particular, 89% of the Iranian public supported defending Shiite religious sites there (Iranian soldiers and Iran-backed militias in Syria are officially referred to as "Defenders of the Shrine"). Modern armies should be able to distinguish between military plance and commercial civilian airliners. The Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau also called the sudden escalation between the USA and Iran by the US assassinating a man second in power Major general Qasem Soleimani of the Quds Force. Iran is not only under the sanctions, there is also a huge opposition against the regime. The tensions between Pro-government Iranians and Opposition Iranians could lead to large bloody clashes and even Civil War on the long term. I like the part of the society that is very educated and modern. I don't think that the Iranian opposition will accept any Ajatollah. There is a huge resentment against the political power, influence and dominance of the clergy in Iran by the secular opposition. Cheers, Pieter |
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Post by Jaga on Jan 16, 2020 22:48:18 GMT -7
Hello Pieter,
yes, Iran provided help in Syria, but ISIS is even worse in Syria. Saudi Arabia is bombing and killing people in Yemen and somehow US does not care really. Israel is keeping Palestinians in Gaza in terrible conditions but nobody is killing Israelis government officials. So there is a lot of double standards. Calling some countries enemies and some friends just because of the politics is just the politics and the game.
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Post by pieter on Jan 17, 2020 9:47:27 GMT -7
Hello Pieter, yes, Iran provided help in Syria, but ISIS is even worse in Syria. Saudi Arabia is bombing and killing people in Yemen and somehow US does not care really. Israel is keeping Palestinians in Gaza in terrible conditions but nobody is killing Israelis government officials. So there is a lot of double standards. Calling some countries enemies and some friends just because of the politics is just the politics and the game.
You got a point there. There is a name for that double standards policy and stance of the USA "Allied Powers". Saoudi Arabia and Israel are America's allies in the Middle East, and Iran is both America's and Israel's enemy. Do you see the difference between the American and Israeli policies concerning Iran. America is called 'the big devil' and Israel is called 'the little devil' in Iran. Both America and Israel attacked Syrian, Iranian and Shia paramilitary groups or militia (Israel bombed Hezbollah in Syria and the USA bombed Kataeb Hezbollah (Hezbollah Brigades) in Iraq and Syria.)
Kataeb Hezbollah is separate force from the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah, operates under the umbrella of the state-sanctioned militias known collectively as the Popular Mobilization Forces. Many of them are supported by Iran. The Popular Mobilization Forces (PMF), also known as the People's Mobilization Committee (PMC) and the Popular Mobilization Units (PMU) is an Iraqi state-sponsored umbrella organization composed of some 40 militias that are mostly Shia Muslim groups, but also include Sunni Muslim, Christian, and Yazidi groups.Israeli Defence Forces The IDF's mission is to "defend the existence, territorial integrity and sovereignty of the state of Israel. To protect the inhabitants of Israel and to combat all forms of terrorism which threaten the daily life."[74] The Israeli military's primary principles derive from Israel's need to combat numerically superior opponents. One such principle, is the concept that Israel cannot afford to lose a single war. The IDF believes that this is possible if it can rapidly mobilize troops to insure that they engage the enemy in enemy territory.[75] In the 21st Century, various nonconventional threats including terrorist organizations, subterranean infrastructure operated by Hamas, etc. have forced the IDF to modify its official defense doctrine. Israeli tanks during a military trainingDahiya doctrine The *Dahiya doctrine or, Dahya doctrine, is a military strategy of asymmetric warfare, outlined by former Israel Defense Forces (IDF) Chief of General Staff Gadi Eizenkot, which encompasses the destruction of the civilian infrastructure of regimes deemed to be hostile as a measure calculated to deny combatants the use of that infrastructure and endorses the employment of "disproportionate power" to secure that end.
The doctrine is named after the Dahieh neighborhood of Beirut, where Hezbollah was headquartered during the 2006 Lebanon War, which were heavily damaged by the IDF.
* imeu.org/article/the-dahiya-doctrine-and-israels-use-of-disproportionate-force An exterior view of the building that houses the media office of Hizbollah after an alleged attack carried by two Israeli drones CREDIT: NABIL MOUNZER/REXDoctrine Israeli Defence Forces.jpg)  A live combined arms exercise simulates an enemy village takeover in southern Israel. IDF infantry, artillery, tank and air forces simulated taking control of an enemy village.Main doctrineThe main doctrine consists of the following principles:Basic points- Israel cannot afford to lose a single war
- Defensive on the strategic level, no territorial ambitions
- Desire to avoid war by political means and a credible deterrent posture
- Preventing escalation
- Determine the outcome of war quickly and decisively
- Combating terrorism
- Very low casualty ratioPrepare for defense- A small standing army with an early warning capability, regular air force and navy
- An efficient reserve mobilization and transportation systemMove to counterattack- Multi-arm coordination
- Transferring the battle to enemy territory quickly
- Quick attainment of war objectives Jaga,
Israel is in the position the white Europeans were in Canada and the USA in the 18th, 19th and early 20th Century, the Australians in the 18th, 19th, 20th centuries, and the same counts for New Zealand, South-Africa, and the Arabs in Sudan who attacked and ethnically cleansed Black Africans from Dafur replacing them with Arab tribes. And the Arabization policies of Sadam Hussein in Iraq where the drove Kurds out of their homes and territories in Northern Iraq and replaced them by Palestinians and Iraqi Arabs.
You are right about the human rights abuses by Saoudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates (limited involvement), Senegal, Sudan (2015–19), Morocco (2015–19) and the American private military company Academi (Formerly knowns as Blackwater, renamed as Xe Services in 2009 and known as Academi since 2011 after the company was acquired by a group of private investors) in Yemen.
In 2016, Ali al-Houthi, former President of the Revolutionary Committee, a body formed by Houthi militants, reported that a Tochka missile hit on a Saudi-led command center in Ma'rib resulting in the death of over 120 mercenaries, including 55 Saudi (9 officers), 11 UAE and 11 foreign commanders of Blackwater on January 17 as well as other material losses. Also in 2016, two hundred Sudanese mercenaries from Blackwater and their commander US Colonel Nicolas Petras were killed in Yemen in an attack by Yemeni forces on January 31 with another Tochka missile that impacted a gathering of the Saudi forces at al-Anad military base in Lahij province according to Houthi and Iranian sources. ( en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13941111000620 /  US Blackwater commando (Academi) during a trainingWe can repeat it over and over again and I hear the Palestinian and Israeli narrative in the Netherlands over and over again and Never the Twain Shall Meet. You have the Israeli version backed mainly today by Evangelical and some Calvinist, Lutheran and Roman-Catholic (conservative) christians like Christians United for Israel in the USA and Christenen voor Israel in the Netherlands and the Pro-Israeli jews in the USA, Europe, Canada, Australia and South-Africa. And you have the Palestinian version backed by the Arab Sunni and Shia Muslims, the Palestinian diaspora in the world, the Iranians, Muslim Turks, Muslim Kurds, Muslim berbers from North Africa (most Moroccan and Turkish guestworkers in the Netherlands are Pro-Palestine and rather anti-Israel), centre left Social Democratic Labour Party people (various European Labourparties, although you have Pro-Palestinian and Pro-Israeli Social Democrats, because you also have Labour Zionism - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Zionism -), leftwing Socialist Parties (often split offs of the leftwing wing of the Labour party), Communists (Marxist lenininsts), Stalinists, Maoists, the Trotskyist radical left in Europe ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_International / socialisme.nu/ ), some sections of the extreme left anarcho syndicalist movement, the anti-fascist and anti-capitalist and anti-Globalist Black Bloc and the Yellow vest movement in France.
Israel was in fact a Western, European nation which was created in the Middle east in 1948 on the basic fundament of a German language speaking Jewish Austro-Hungarian journalist, playwright, political activist, and writer who was the father of modern political Zionism. This father of Modern Zionism was a German nationalist in his youth. At the University of Vienna, Herzl studied law. As a young law student, Theodor Herzl became a member of the German nationalist Burschenschaft (fraternity) Albia, which had the motto Ehre, Freiheit, Vaterland ("Honor, Freedom, Fatherland"). He later resigned in protest at the organisation's antisemitism.
Der Judenstaat (German, literally The Jews' State, commonly rendered as The Jewish State) is a pamphlet written by Theodor Herzl and published in February 1896 in Leipzig and Vienna by M. Breitenstein's Verlags-Buchhandlung. It is subtitled with "Versuch einer modernen Lösung der Judenfrage" ("Proposal of a modern solution for the Jewish question") and was originally called "Address to the Rothschilds", referring to the Rothschild family banking dynasty, as Herzl planned to deliver it as a speech to the Rothschild family. Baron Edmond de Rothschild rejected Herzl's plan, feeling that it threatened Jews in the Diaspora. He also thought it would put his own settlements at risk.
The tragedy for both Palestinians and jews in the world today is that European problems of centuries of persecution, pogroms (attacks and lynchings of jews) and finanaly the Holocaust lead the creation of Israel. That creation and the Jewish religious messianic, Jewish nationalist, Jewish socialist and Jewish settlement ideas behind it were logical. For thousands of years the religious jews in the Diaspora prayed every day and every week in their synagogues towards Jerusalem (like Muslims pray in the direction of their holy city Mecca).
L'Shana Haba'ah B'Yerushalayim (Hebrew: לשנה הבאה בירושלים), lit. "Next year in Jerusalem", is a phrase that is often sung at the end of the Passover Seder and at the end of the Ne'ila service on Yom Kippur. Its use during Passover was first recorded by Isaac Tyrnau in his 15th century CE book cataloging the Minhaggim of various Ashkenazi communities. L'Shana Haba'ah evokes a common theme in Jewish culture of a desire to return to a rebuilt Jerusalem, and commentators have suggested that it serves as a reminder of the experience of living in exile.
The problem for Palestinians yesterday, today and in the future is the emotional attention, historical links and claims to the lend and active settlement in the land they consider to be Palestine, by Ashkenazi jews, Sephardic jews and Mizrachi jews from all over the world, the Middle east and North Africa. The 'New'People of Israel is a fact Jaga, you have today about 6,785,857 Israeli Ivrit (Hebrew) speaking jews next to 1,911,380 Israeli Arabs, 2,345,000 Palestinian Arabs in the the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) and 1.6 million Palestinians live in the Gaza Strip.
If you add up the Israeli Arabs with the Palestinians you get 5,856,380 million 'Palestinian Arabs' in the historical territory of Ottoman Palestine and 'British' Mandatory Palestine. Israel today is in my opinion a very Western country with a political culture that is close to that of Hungary, Poland and Austria today. The Israeli political climate is very rightwing just like the climate in Central- and Eastern Europe. Despite that Polish-Israeli tensions and rift I do believe that Israel would fit very well in the Visegrád Group ( Visegrád Four, or V4 - www.visegradgroup.eu/ / en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visegr%C3%A1d_Group ). The Israeli's were very stupid to start that row with Poland, because they were close to a trial membership or recognised candidates for future membership.
I do believe that the best way for a solution in the Middle east and the Levant (Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Israel and Palestine) is a Levantine Economical Union in near future. Religious, cultural and ethnic and political differences are constantly used to point at the differences between jews and arabs in that region, but fact is that their Monothoist faiths (The is no God but One God) are very close to each other. Fact is that Israel with the influx of 800 thousand Arab, North African and Iranian jews during the forties and fifties has become more middle eastern during the decades.
Jaga,some of the Israeli jews I know in the Netherlands look like Moroccan Berbers, Middle Easrtern Arabs, Turks, Kurds of Armenians. Dark Middle eastern looking people who look similar like Palestinian, Egyptian, Lebanese, Iraqi or Saoudi people. Due to mixing in the coming decades the Israeli's will look more and more like the people in their environment in the Levant in the Middle east. In the same time a lot of Israeli Arabs and Palestinians speak Hebrew and are used to the Israeli culture, despite the 'occupation' and the checkpoints.
Maybe I am to hopeful, to idealistic and to Messianic, but I do believe that in time the checkpoints and the Separation Wall will disappear. Both Israeli's and Palestinians should make painful consessions and thus make compromises in the future Peace negotiations.
The USA will have to think about it's future relationship with countries, peoples and groups in the Middle east, North Africa, Europe, Central Asia and Eastern Asia. The world is changing. The Pax Americana is coming to and end. A New World Order with various powercentra is emerging. New Centers of Power are Brasília, Beijing, New Delhi, Seoul (South Korea), Tokyo (Japan), Hongkong, Brussels (the power of the Euro), Moscow, Tehran (Iran), Riyadh (the Capital of the Sunni Muslim world in the country of the 2 holiest cities of Islam Mecca and Medina. Washington, D.C. isn't the centre of the world anymore.
Saoudi has attracted criticism for a variety of reasons including: its treatment of women, its excessive and often extrajudicial use of capital punishment, state-sponsored discrimination against religious minorities and atheists, its role in the Yemeni Civil War, tolerance of Islamic terrorism, and its strict interpretation of Sharia law. But fact is that globaly Saoudi Arabia is very influential and dominant in the Muslim world. Muslims all over the world go on Hajj, the annual Islamic pilgrimage to Mecca, Saudi Arabia, the holiest city for Muslims. Saoudi Arabia or Saoudi princes, sheikhs or business people finance Wahhabist/Salafist mosques all over the world where there are Sunni Muslim communities. The Saoudi's want to be the dominant religious, political, cultural and financial economical force in the Muslim world, but gets competition from Egypt, Turkey and the Muslim Bortherhood organisation.
In Iraq, Syria and Libiya these Global and regional power are competing with each other for influence, dominance and political power right now. With arms deliveries, supporting militia or different political groups or organisations. Reminds me somehow of the bloody Lebanese Civil War from 13 April 1975 until 13 October 1990.
Iran is very active in Gaza by supporting Hamas, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad and the Marxist Leninist PFLP (Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine) with fire arms, rockets and RPG's via the tunnels that connection Gaza with Egypt illegaly. And at the Lebanese border with Israel Iran supports Hezbollah there. According to PA officials in August 2019, the Iranian regime wants to support Hamas' efforts to rehabilitate the organization's terrorist infrastructure in the Westbank (Judea and Samaria), to carry out additional attacks against Israeli military and civilian targets in the territory and even across the Green Line. Cheers,
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Post by pieter on Jan 17, 2020 18:22:43 GMT -7
Hello Pieter, yes, Iran provided help in Syria, but ISIS is even worse in Syria. Saudi Arabia is bombing and killing people in Yemen and somehow US does not care really. Israel is keeping Palestinians in Gaza in terrible conditions but nobody is killing Israelis government officials. So there is a lot of double standards. Calling some countries enemies and some friends just because of the politics is just the politics and the game.
I do believe that the Arab states in the Middle east have a heritage of brutal conflicts between Arab tribes, clams, religious groups and various dictators and despots. I often saw in discussions with some colleagues and for instance friends that they consider the Shia forces (Iran, the Lebanese Hezbollah, the Iraqi and Afghan Shia militia and the Houthi's in Jemen) as les bad or brutal than the Sunni Muslim extemists of Islamic state, Al Qaida, Jabat Al Nusra (Jabhat Fatah al-Sham (Arabic: جبهة فتح الشام), but I tend to disagree. Before Al Qaida and Islamic state became strong extremist Islamist Jihadist terrorist groups, Shia dath squads used some of the tactics and strategies Islamic state did later. They killed a lot of Sunni Muslim men, just in sectarian violence, because they were Sunni's, not because they were Iraqi Ba'athists, or Al Qaida supporters for instance. It was enough that they were Sunni Muslim.
In Bagdad regularly lines of dead bodies of massacred Sunni men were found after 2003. These sinister Shia death squads were not any less brutal, sadistic and inhumane than Islamic state. They were partly the reason for the rise and popularity of Al Qaida in Iraq and later Islamic State in Iraq. The Syrian Ba'ath government of Bashar al-Assad also had and has terrible torture prisons and camps and people of the opposition are disappearing in Syria. Today in Iraq Shia militia and some governement forces still commit gross human rights violations against Iraqi citizens.
Mind you that Iran invested billions in these Iraqi armed Shia militia (Paramilitary groups). These Shia militia are often a state in a state with their own territories, special forces, combat groups, intelligence agents and torture centra (Prison centres and camps)Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by Jaga on Jan 20, 2020 18:42:01 GMT -7
Pieter,
what you write about Sunni bodies is terrible. It is hard to imagine that things like that are happening around us.
Yes, Iran or rather Persia was a very powerful empire for many years. In a way, it seems to be unfriendly towards the European empires, but you presented a beautiful art and history picture.
You are becoming so knowledgeable about the history and politics that I cannot discuss things on your level.
I guess, I need to wait until I retire, which i hope would not happen soon... since i am so busy with so many projects.
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