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Post by Jaga on Feb 26, 2020 4:26:37 GMT -7
It seem to be spreading, now it is even in Europe - Italy. It affected global markets and the US market due to Chinese export affecting the rest of the world. Apparently even Iranian health minister may be affected and had a coughing spell. Below is the article about some sources of what caused it in China not regulated economy www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/feb/25/coronavirus-closures-reveal-vast-scale-of-chinas-secretive-wildlife-farm-industry?CMP=share_btn_fb&fbclid=IwAR2REBJoG_l1yNPuK9PxM-9zhyB0e4LK00DLPVayCR4-NOCmmu440hIU4p0Coronavirus closures reveal vast scale of China’s secretive wildlife farm industry eacocks, porcupines and pangolins among species bred on 20,000 farms closed in wake of virus Animals farmed is supported by About this content Michael Standaert in Shenzhen Mon 24 Feb 2020 22.01 EST Last modified on Tue 25 Feb 2020 16.55 EST Freshly-slaughtered meat from wildlife and farm animals is preferred over meat that has been slaughtered before being shipped. Nearly 20,000 wildlife farms raising species including peacocks, civet cats, porcupines, ostriches, wild geese and boar have been shut down across China in the wake of the coronavirus, in a move that has exposed the hitherto unknown size of the industry. Until a few weeks ago wildlife farming was still being promoted by government agencies as an easy way for rural Chinese people to get rich. But the Covid-19 outbreak, which has now led to 2,666 deaths and over 77,700 known infections, is thought to have originated in wildlife sold at a market in Wuhan in early December, prompting a massive rethink by authorities on how to manage the trade. China issued a temporary ban on wildlife trade to curb the spread of the virus at the end of January and began a widespread crackdown on breeding facilities in early February. |
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Post by karl on Feb 26, 2020 16:33:00 GMT -7
Jaga Perhaps my self am too sensative with the killing of animals other then live stock as a food source. But, with the Chinese and their manner of killing of animals other then live stock is absolutly disqusting. Now, we as people are paying their price of killing such animals as depicted in the presented artical. It has been well known these Chinese will kill pets to sell as people food, and the manner they kill them is much to cruel to speak of.. Now, we must deal with a disease these people have let loose with out an antidote as yet discovered. What though is real and present, is a disease never before encountered has the contagion infection rate due to such vast international travel that was never in past believed. familydoctor.org/condition/coronavirus/Karl |
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Post by kaima on Feb 29, 2020 17:48:21 GMT -7
Star Economist Roubini on the Economic Effects of Coronavirus"This Crisis Will Spill Over and Result in a Disaster"Economist Nouriel Roubini correctly predicted the 2008 financial crisis. Now, he believes that stock markets will plunge by 30 to 40 percent because of the coronavirus. And that Trump will lose his re-election bid.  Interview Conducted by Tim Bartz 27.02.2020, 18:04 Uhr Nouriel Roubini is one of the most prominent and enigmatic economists in the world. He correctly predicted the bursting of the U.S. housing bubble in addition to the 2008 financial crisis along with the ramifications of austerity measures for debt-laden Greece. Roubini is famous for his daring prognostications and now, he has another one: He believes that coronavirus will lead to a global economic disaster and that U.S. President Donald Trump will not be re-elected as a result. ANZEIGE www.spiegel.de/international/business/nouriel-roubini-on-coronavirus-this-crisis-will-spill-over-and-result-in-a-disaster-a-e811cf3b-d495-4c52-bf79-d872c8f164acDER SPIEGEL: How severe is the coronavirus outbreak for China and for the global economy? Roubini: This crisis is much more severe for China and the rest of the world than investors have expected for four reasons: First, it is not an epidemic limited to China, but a global pandemic. Second, it is far from being over. This has massive consequences, but politicians don’t realize it. DER SPIEGEL: What do you mean? Roubini: Just look at your continent. Europe is afraid of closing its borders, which is a huge mistake. In 2016, in response to the refugee crisis, Schengen was effectively suspended, but this is even worse. The Italian borders should be closed as soon as possible. The situation is much worse than 1 million refugees coming to Europe. DER SPIEGEL: What are your other two reasons? Roubini: Everyone believes it’s going to be a V-shaped recession, but people don’t know what they are talking about. They prefer to believe in miracles. It’s simple math: If the Chinese economy were to shrink by 2 percent in the first quarter, it would require growth of 8 percent in the final three quarters to reach the 6 percent annual growth rate that everyone had expected before the virus broke out. If growth is only 6 percent from the second quarter onwards, which is a more realistic scenario, we would see the Chinese economy only growing by 2.5 to 4 percent for the entire year. This rate would essentially mean a recession for China and a shock to the world. "The Chinese government will need a scapegoat."DER SPIEGEL: And your last point? Roubini: Everyone thinks that policymakers will react swiftly but that’s also wrong. The markets are completely delusional. Look at fiscal policy: You can do fiscal stuff only in some countries like Germany, because others like Italy don’t have any leeway. But even if you do something, the political process requires a great deal of talking and negotiating. It takes six to nine months, which is way too long. The truth is: Europe would have needed fiscal stimulus even without the corona crisis. Italy was already on the verge of a recession, as was Germany. But German politicians aren’t even thinking about stimulus, despite the country being so exposed to China. The political response is a joke - politicians are often behind the curve. This crisis will spill over and result in a disaster. DER SPIEGEL: What role do the central banks have to play? Roubini: The European Central Bank and the Bank of Japan are already in negative territory. Of course, they could lower rates on deposits even further to stimulate borrowing but that wouldn’t help the markets for more than a week. This crisis is a supply shock that you can’t fight with monetary or fiscal policy. DER SPIEGEL: What will help? Roubini: The solution needs to be a medical one. Monetary and fiscal measures do not help when you have no food and water safety. If the shock leads to a global recession, then you have a financial crisis, because debt levels have gone up and the U.S. housing market is experiencing a bubble just like in 2007. It hasn’t been a time bomb so far because we have been experiencing growth. That is over now. DER SPIEGEL: Will this crisis change the way the Chinese people think of their government? Roubini: Businesspeople tell me that things in China are much worse than the government is officially reporting. A friend of mine in Shanghai has been locked in his home for weeks now. I don’t expect a revolution, but the government will need a scapegoat. DER SPIEGEL: Such as? Roubini: Already, there were conspiracy theories going around about foreign interference when it comes to swine flu, bird flu and the Hong Kong uprising. I assume that China will start trouble in Taiwan, Hong Kong or even Vietnam. They’ll crack down on protesters in Hong Kong or send fighters over Taiwanese air space to provoke the U.S. military. It would only take one accident in the Strait of Formosa and you would see military action. Not a hot war between China and the U.S., but some form of action. This is what people in the U.S. government like Secretary of State Mike Pompeo or Vice President Mike Pence want. It’s the mentality of many people in D.C. DER SPIEGEL: This crisis is obviously a setback for globalization. Do you think politicians like Trump, who want their companies to abandon production abroad, will benefit? Roubini: He will try to reap benefits from this crisis, that’s for sure. But everything will change when coronavirus reaches the U.S. You can’t build a wall in the sky. Look, I live in New York City and people there are hardly going to restaurants, cinemas or theaters, even though nobody there has been infected by the virus thus far. If it comes, we are totally fucked. "Trump is dead. Quote me on that!" DER SPIEGEL: A perfect scare-scenario for Trump? Roubini: Not at all. He will lose the election, that’s for sure. DER SPIEGEL: A bold prediction. What makes you so sure? Roubini: Because there is a significant risk of a war between the U.S. and Iran. The U.S. government wants regime change, and they will bomb the hell out of the Iranians. But Iranians are used to suffering, believe me, I am an Iranian Jew, and I know them! And the Iranians also want regime change in the U.S. The tensions will drive up oil prices and lead inevitably to Trumps defeat in the elections. DER SPIEGEL: What makes you so sure? Roubini: This has always the case in history. Ford lost to Carter after the 1973 oil shock, Carter lost to Reagan due to the second oil crisis in 1979, and Bush lost to Clinton after the Kuwait invasion. The Democratic field is poor, but Trump is dead. Quote me on that! DER SPIEGEL: A war against Iran is needed to beat Trump? Roubini: Absolutely, and it’s worth it. Four more years of Trump means economic war! DER SPIEGEL: What should investors do to brace for the impact? Roubini: I expect global equities to tank by 30 to 40 percent this year. My advice is: Put your money into cash and safe government bonds, like German bunds. They have negative rates, but so what? That just means that prices will rise and rise - you can make a lot of money that way. And if I am wrong and equities go up by 10 percent instead, that’s also OK. You have to hedge your money against a crash, that is more important. That’s my motto: "Better safe than sorry!"
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Post by Jaga on Mar 1, 2020 22:40:20 GMT -7
Karl, yes. I agree. It looks like really primitive way of killing which should not take place, but China is still full of contrasts. Jaga Perhaps my self am too sensative with the killing of animals other then live stock as a food source. But, with the Chinese and their manner of killing of animals other then live stock is absolutly disqusting. Now, we as people are paying their price of killing such animals as depicted in the presented artical. It has been well known these Chinese will kill pets to sell as people food, and the manner they kill them is much to cruel to speak of.. Now, we must deal with a disease these people have let loose with out an antidote as yet discovered. What though is real and present, is a disease never before encountered has the contagion infection rate due to such vast international travel that was never in past believed. familydoctor.org/condition/coronavirus/Karl |
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Post by Jaga on Mar 1, 2020 22:48:32 GMT -7
Guys, I worry about the virus and its spread. It is hard to hear that people are dying in Italy and in the US. My Polish friend sends me anti-pope conspiracy theory information that the virus spread is different than in China, much more nasty and that there would be an anti-pope soon in Rome.
I am planning going to the conference to Mumbai, India at the end of March, but with this virus, many people who wanted to go changed their plans, so I am not sure whether the conference will take place or not. I wish I could come since I want to see India
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Post by pieter on Mar 3, 2020 7:26:42 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Mar 3, 2020 8:10:03 GMT -7
Older news articles: www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/03/dutch-coronavirus-cases-rise-to-10-hospital-closed-pending-contactwww.amsterdam.nl/en/news/coronavirus-infection-amsterdam/en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_the_NetherlandsGermany: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_Germany🇵🇱 Poland 🇵🇱: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_PolandCzech Republic: On 1 March, the Minister of Health, Adam Vojtěch, reported that three cases of COVID-19 have been confirmed by the National Reference Laboratory. All cases are at the Bulovka Hospital in Prague. One was in Ústí nad Labem, but then was transported to the Bulovka Hospital. One woman is now at the Ústí nad Labem hospital, waiting if she will be also transported to Bulovka Hospital. All cases are connected with northern Italy. One case is a man who returned from a conference in Udine, the second case is a woman (tourist, US citizen) studying in Milano and the third case is a man who returned from a skiing holiday in Auronzo di Cadore. On 2 March another case was confirmed, a woman who was on skiing holiday in Auronzo di Cadore and was staying in the same hotel as the man from a previous case. On 3 March, another case was reported, a woman from Equador, which was studying in Milano and was friend with a woman from the first case. Ukraine: On 27 January 2020, SkyUp, a Ukrainian low-cost charter airline, announced that it had suspended flights to Sanya, Hainan, until March. On 4 February, Ukraine International Airlines suspended its charter service to Sanya Phoenix International Airport in Hainan. Initially, the suspension was to last until 24 February, although the airline had not yet indicated that it will resume flights. On 24 February, Boryspil International Airport and Kyiv International Airport were supposed to implement thermal screening procedures for travellers from Italy, but the staff were either underequipped with thermal cameras or ignored the protocol. On 3 March, Ukraine has its first confirmed coronavirus case, Ihor Kuzin, the acting head of the Health Ministry’s public health center, told Reuters on Tuesday. He has traveled from Italy by plane to Romania and then went to Ukraine by car. Russia: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_RussiaDenmark: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_DenmarkBelgium: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_BelgiumFrance: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_FranceAustria: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_AustriaSwitzerland: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_SwitzerlandItaly: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_ItalySpain: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_SpainPortugal: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_PortugalEurope: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_EuropeUSA 🇺🇸: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_the_United_StatesCanada 🇨🇦: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_CanadaAustralia 🇦🇺: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_AustraliaNew Zealand 🇳🇿: After initially having public health staff meet flights from China to look for signs of COVID-19 among arriving passengers, the New Zealand government announced on 3 February that travellers from China would be denied entry to New Zealand, with only New Zealand citizens and residents and their family accepted. On 28 January, the Ministry of Health set up the National Health Coordination Centre (NHCC) in response to the outbreak. An Infectious and Notifiable Diseases Order was issued to take effect from 30 January, which required health practitioners to report any suspected cases under the Health Act 1956. On 28 February, New Zealand confirmed its first case, a New Zealand citizen in his 60s who had recently visited Iran, returning via Bali, Indonesia. He was admitted to Auckland City Hospital. On 2 March, Director-General of Health Ashley Bloomfield said there were two more suspected cases in New Zealand that had symptoms that might be consistent with the COVID-19 coronavirus. |
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Post by kaima on Mar 3, 2020 11:10:11 GMT -7
The only column you need to read about COVID-19 by Garrison Keillor
The beauty of COVID-19 is how shiny clean everybody looks since the panic set in. I’m in New York City this week and the stores are completely sold out of hand sanitizer, Hi-Lex, alcohol, antibacterial wipes, every kind of cleaner, and when you get on the subway at rush hour and stand within six inches of four different people, they smell nice, like a doctor’s office. They try not to talk or even exhale. They avoid eye contact lest the virus be spread visually. Some people wear face masks, which are useful for preventing them from picking their noses, which, once you’ve touched a deadly railing, could implant the virus in your body and in a week or two you’d be in a TB sanitarium on a desert island, tended by nurses in hazmat suits. If someone on the train coughs, everyone disembarks at the next stop and wipes their face and, as an extra precaution, swigs a little mouthwash or maybe vodka. Eighty-proof vodka is a proven sanitizer. The incidence of COVID-19 among bums at the Union Gospel Mission is extremely low. Gin does not work as well, so ad agency execs are surely at risk. As for Corona beer, sales are way down because, as your mother probably said, You Never Know.
I am old enough to remember the polio scares of the early Fifties when we stayed away from beaches and public pools and didn’t go to movie theaters. I was brought up fundamentalist so we didn’t go to movies anyway, and thus felt that God was protecting us and had sent the polio as a warning to Catholics and Episcopalians. So we avoided them, which we would’ve done anyway. To us righteous, polio was not that scary. Nobody in my family got it. A girl named Shirley did and she came from a family that drank and took the Lord’s name in vain. Case closed.
What spooked the stock market last week was not only the virus but also the spectacle of the Leader of the Free World announcing that we have nothing to fear but fear itself. He looked like a sixth-grader giving a science report who had not bothered to read the textbook. This was slightly terrifying. A reality TV star in charge of national intelligence. The gentleman is an ace at twittering but when he says more than the 280-character limit he becomes vacuous and blathery. His strong suit is insult and ridicule — reassurance is alien to him, he’s a New Yorker, when a New Yorker hears tones of reassurance, it means “Put the pen back in your pocket, don’t sign the paper” — so the assignment has been passed to his mannequin friend Mr. Pence who is good at silence, which is better than blather at this point.
At a time of political unreality, it feels good to have something real to worry about, even if it’s mostly imaginary, and people have latched onto COVID-19. It has a nice ring to it and the OVID part makes it sound classy, poetic. People are talking about canceling trips, staying indoors, restricting contact with others, and considering their doomsday options, perhaps a houseboat on Lake Superior, maybe the Mojave desert. It’s exciting, having a possible black plague on the horizon. It takes your mind off the election.
My dear wife, who caught germophobia from her mother, has made our kitchen and bathrooms so clean you could eat off the counters, if we were eating, which we’re not since we heard that there are 19 foods that carry the virus and nobody knows which 19. She has turned the temperature of the dishwasher up to where it melts plastic and so our mixing bowls have become platters. Our bedsheets have been boiled so that a king-sized sheet now only fits a narrow cot. My jeans are two sizes smaller so I am wearing PJs. We are using motorized brushes in the shower and our skin is rubbed raw. Our only intimacy is an occasional elbow bump.
Everyone is watching the situation closely. Republicans believe the epidemic will hit big cities hardest, keeping Democratic voters home in the fall. Democrats believe it will knock the Dow Jones down to where Republicans are disheartened. As for me, I think the Leader is inhaling so much hand sanitizer that he doesn’t know a Corona from a White Owl or an El Rey del Mundo. What provision does the Constitution make for ditziness? It’s not a High Crime or Misdemeanor but isn’t this guy supposed to have helpers around?
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Post by Jaga on Mar 3, 2020 23:52:28 GMT -7
Kai,
interesting! I read the whole article. I did not realize that evangelicals did not go to the cinema theater and they believe that polio was a punishment for Catholics and others different...
Pieter, at least it seems that Africa is still free of coronovirus.
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Post by pieter on Mar 4, 2020 2:37:45 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Mar 9, 2020 7:46:59 GMT -7
 Number of Dutch coronavirus patients rises to 321, no school for thousandsMarch 9, 2020 Dutch prime minister Mark Rutte talking to reporters. Photo: European UnionThe total number of coronavirus patients in the Netherlands has risen to 321, with 56 new cases in the last 24 hours, the public health agency RIVM announced on Monday. The increase is smaller than on Saturday or Sunday. Brabant remains the most severely affected province, with 134 positive tests. Residents have been advised to stay home if they are suffering from colds or flu-like symptoms to prevent the virus spreading. More than 4,000 children were sent home from school in Eindhoven on Monday after their teachers were taken ill. Schools and classrooms were closed in other parts of Brabant, including Tilburg, where 2,800 children were kept home, and Den Bosch, where there was no school for 1,025 pupils. In Rotterdam, delegates from 14 of 51 countries invited to an official tour of the Eurovision venue stayed away from the event as a precaution. Prime minister Mark Rutte insisted that the Dutch economy can withstand the impact of coronavirus after stock markets dropped sharply on Monday morning. Shell’s share price fell by 21.3% in 35 minutes after the Amsterdam exchange AEX opened, but by lunchtime it had recovered around one-third of that ground to reach the €16 mark. The AEX index lost 7% to drop below the 500-point mark. Shell’s losses were linked to the falling price of oil in response to fears that stricter travel restrictions to contain the virus will reduce demand for fuel. Rutte acknowledged that there had been ‘strong reactions’ on the markets, but said: ‘Public health is the first priority for the Dutch government. Stock markets reflect what is happening in the economy indirectly, not directly. We are looking primarily at the situation in the real economy. ‘We’re in a good position. Our reserves are filled to the brim, we have historically low unemployment, a low national debt and a budget surplus. We can take a hit.’Read more at DutchNews.nl: |
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Post by pieter on Mar 9, 2020 7:49:56 GMT -7
Nike's European headquarters in the Dutch city of Hilversum were closed on Monday after one employee was diagnosed with the novel coronavirus.
According to reports, the headquarters - where some 2,000 people of around 80 nationalities work - will be closed until Wednesday for a deep cleaning process to take place.
"I'm just thinking about it a lot because it's nearby my school and if the flu gets over the school then we all will be affected," said Fatma Cingoz, a student from a school near the Nike headquarters.
Dutch health authorities have announced 18 coronavirus infections since February 27.
According to the latest reports by the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC), at least 89,000 people have been infected by the COVID-19 so far and over 3,00 people have died. There are currently 150 cases confirmed in Germany.
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Post by karl on Mar 9, 2020 10:45:55 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Mar 9, 2020 17:22:06 GMT -7
Press conference of the Dutch prime minister with a top medical spokes person about the Corona virusWatch 18:27 when the prime-minister shakes hands with RIVM (Netherlands National Institute for Public Health and the Environment) chief Jaap van DisselThe Prime-Minister says: "We stop with handshaking in the Netherlands, we wash our hands, we sneeze in our elbows and not in our hands. This corona crisis will have consequences for the Dutch economy." (Shortly after that statement he shook hands with the chief of the Netherlands National Institute for Public Health and the Environment (ROVM) Jaap van Dissel)
The Dutch cabinet had advised people stop shaking hands as a new measure to prevent the spread of coronavirus. In addition, people living in Noord-Brabant province, where most infections are located, are being urged to work at home when possible. The new measures were announced by prime minister Mark Rutte following crisis talks with ministers, health officials and representatives from the emergency services on Monday evening. The number of patients in the Netherlands reached 321 on Monday, of whom 90 have no obvious source of infection. Noord-Brabant has by far the most cases – 134. By contrast, there have been just four cases so far in Amsterdam. ‘Like last week, we are still in the containment phase,’ Rutte told reporters after the meeting. ‘Our aim is to remain in this phase for as long as possible.’ Stopping shaking hands, he said, is one measure to prevent the spread of the disease. ‘It is a simple and sensible measure but one which we believe will be effective at this time,’ Rutte said.
People in Brabant should continue to stay home if they have any symptoms but in addition, they are now being requested to work from home if at all possible up to March 16. In addition, employers are being asked to look at spreading the working day so that fewer people are together at the same time. Rutte caused raised eyebrows at the end of the press conference when he stepped away from the microphone and shook hands with RIVM chief Jaap van Dissel. ‘Oops, sorry, it is such a habit,’ Rutte said. The Dutch Prime Minister Rutte caused raised eyebrows at the end of the press conference when he stepped away from the microphone and shook hands with RIVM chief Jaap van Dissel.
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Post by pieter on Mar 9, 2020 17:48:28 GMT -7
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