The beauty of slavic women and the downside of it

[pieter]

[pieter]

Very funny

I wonder if my father experienced the same things when he met my Polish mother.

[pieter]

Romanian women aren't slavic women, but Latin women. Funny that this women calls Polish women/girls aristocratic


I get an impression of Slavic (Belarus) women as traditional, conservative and religious.

[pieter]

In the Netherrlands the last decades there was a lot of news about human trafficking from Ukraine and Moldova to Europe. There are warnings for dating Ukrainian and Moldovan women and girls, because there are criminal rings behind the dating market. Prostitution rings and thus sexual abuse, aggression and violence against these Slavic girls and women and thus a modern form of slavery. This is an enormous problem and should be taken into account, by men who go to prostitutes in the West. The Israeli film director, made and excellent and sinister movie about it 'Promised land' (2004). Promised Land (Hebrew הארץ המובטחת) is a 2004 French-Israeli film, directed by Amos Gitai and starring Rosamund Pike, Diana Bespechni, and Hanna Schygulla. It tells the story of a group of East European girls smuggled into Israel to serve as prostitutes. The film is the first of Gitai's "Frontier" trilogy and premiered at the Venice Film Festival.

Director Gitai commented on the film: "If I have succeeded in spoiling even one man's appetite, and causing him to stop going to prostitutes - then I feel I have succeeded in doing something."


Next to this there is a huge market for Ukrainian surrogacy. The arrangement, often supported by a legal agreement, whereby a woman (the surrogate mother) agrees to bear a child for another person or persons, who will become the child's parent(s) after birth. Ukrainian, Russian, Belarussian, Baltic, Polish, Slovak, Czech, Serbian, Croat, Slovenian and even seculer Bosnian women and girls are popular in Western-Europe next to Hungarian and Romanian girlfriends. The latter 2, Hugarian and Romanian brunettes are seen as sensual and exotic women and girls in the blond and blue eyed North West of Europe. Despite the discrimination, xenophobia and racism towards Cemtral -and Eastern European people, because they are guestworlkers, speak slavic languages or Dutch and German with a heavy slavic accent. People are very sophisticated in seeing differences between white European peoples. Facial feautures, length, the way people walk, the way people dress, number plates of cars. People always distinguish between themselves (their own people) and outsiders, everywhere. That is the world we live in a world with different ethnicities, languages and wealth situations. Slavic ladies who think they will have an easy life in the West are mistaken. Because there is a hierarchy of women also. The Western blond and blue eyed Dutch and blue eyed women will always be dominant or the new integrated and assimilated immigrants. These integrated immigrants often consider the Eastern-European newcommers as a threat to their Dutch Turkish or Dutch Moroccan achievements on the social hierarchic ladder.


A room of surrogacy babies in Ukaine who can't go to their adoption parents in the West. Surrogacy is an baby producing industry in the Ukraine.

[pieter]

A night in the Sinai desert. A group of men and women keep warm around a camp fire under the moonlight. The women come from Eastern Europe. The men, who normally walk their herds in the area, are Bedouins. Tomorrow, they will secretly cross the border. Tomorrow, Diana and the others will be beaten, raped and auctioned off. They will be passed from one hand to another, merchandised by Anne into Hanna's hostess club, victims of an international network of trafficking women. One night in the club, Diana meets Rose. Their encounter is a sign of hope into the women's descend into hell.


Scene from Promised Land. A group of slavic sex slave women from the Baltic states and the Ukraine in a brothel in Israel

"Promised Land is a stunningly audacious movie, for political reasons as well as for the asthetical choices made. Gitai solves the problem of representing the ordeal, the nakedness and the descent into hell of these young women in an exemplary way. There are such films where the movie maker pretending to expose a situation, instead give way to voyeurism. Not so in this film; the eye of the director does never debase the actresses' bodies. Amos Gitai's concern for oppressed women goes a long way back in time (Bangkok-Bahrain, Kadosh). Promised Land questions the notion of territoriality (the traffickers speak all kinds of languages: Arab, French, Russian, Hebrew). Gitai depicts Israel as a huge capitalist brothel in the age of globalization. The reprensentation of enslaved bodies turned into a merchandise and contemptuously transported across borders and through checkpoints, appears as a metaphor of the way a scornful economic system conquers the world."

Jean-Luc Douin, Le Monde, January 12th, 2005

[Jaga]

Pieter, this video about dating Polish girl was good and funny and quite truthful, although I don't count to ten if I forget something. AS for these poor women from other countries - I think this is more about poverty than about being Slavic. Frankly we have very little in common with for instance women from ex Yugoslavia. Moldova is not even Slavic. Bulgarians have just Slavic language, but different ethnicity.

referring to surrogacy, it is really a problem. I have heard something about it before but could not realize that this is like an industry.

[pieter]

Jaga,

I look at it differently from a historical, linguistic, cultural, social, traditional, ethnic, European and religious perspective. If I look at Europe I see core groups of the Germanic people (North-Germanic and West-Germanic), Slavic people (West-Slavs, East-Slavs and Southern-Slavs), Latin-Romanesque people (the French, Portuguese, Spanish, Italian, Swiss and Romanian people who speak the Romance languages), Celtic people, the Baltic people, the Hungarians (not being slavs, nor being Germanic or Latin-Latin-Romanesque/Romance, but rather linked to the Turkic peoples -Their Hun roots-) and the Basq peoples being different from each other. For you as a Polish person there are huge differences between the North Central-European Poles with their Western Roman-Catholic, Old Polish and Bohemian, Italian Renaissance, Habsburg empire and Prussian influenced -culture- in contrast with the Byzantine, Eastern-Orthodox East Slavs (Russians, Belarussians and the Ukrainians) and the Balkan Southern-Slavs in former Yugoslavia with their South-European mediterranean mentality, culture and history. But non Slavs from non-European countries and the USA often see just a Slavic woman or girl with a Slavic accent and features, and can't tell if she is Polish, Slovenian, Serb, Ukrainian, Russian or Croatian. People in the West also can't differentiate between Central and Eastern-European slavic people and Central- and Eastern-European non Slavic people like the Baltic people, the Bessarabian Latin Romanian Moldovans, Georgian people and Hungarians. You do have the slavic looks and general slavic elements like a slavic accent, typical slavic facial features and Slavic behaviour. Slavic people are different than Germanic, Latin, Celtic, Bask, Baltic or Hungarian people.

This is a continental European and British thing. We are used to living with many, many different peoples, different languages and different cultures on this continent and we differentiate between these cultures. We have a special institute (organ of sense) for these things over here Jaga. Due to all the non-Western immigrants, expats, refugees (asylumseekers) and foreign students the people who are interested in various cultures and peoples (like you in your parents university and science parents home Jaga, with all the international guests) get a special sense for guessing peoples background, nationality and culture. In Amsterdam for instance I can see and detect the differences between British, American, Italian, Russian, Polish and Spanish tourists. You see it from how they behave (body language), how they dress, how they walk and how they speak. The Latin Europeans are clearly different from the Germanic Europeans. Sometimes Slavic people are harder to detect, especially if they are longer in the West. Some Poles get Germanised, and act and speak like Dutch people and Germans. Other Poles who are a short time in West-Europe are still recognizable as Poles, by the way they dress, eat, drink, work, study and etc. Western integrated Poles are more individualistic like the Dutch, Danes, Belgians or Germans, while authentic Poles who aren't spoiled by integration and assimilation still are more collective people. People who move in small groups of Poles, have a Polish family in the Netherlands or are part of the Polish community in the town or city they live in with a Polish club, Sklep Polski (also a meeting or gathering point for Poles who miss the Polish atmosphere and Polish products), Polish mass in Dutch Roman Catholic churches, often before the Dutch language mass. Polish mass 9:00 P.M. Dutch mass 11:00 PM, on sundays.

I, you, Bonobo, and maybe my mother sees differences between various slavic people, because geographic differences made the Slaves different. The South-Eastern European Mediterranean, Balkan and Adriatic elements of the Southern slavs Croats, Serbs, Montenegrins, Bosnians and Macedonians makes them more similar to the them surrounding non Slavic Italians, Albanians, Greeks and Turks than to the more North Central-European Western-Slavic Czechs, Slovaks, Sorbs (in East-Germany) and Poles. The Eastern slavs yet are different than the West-Slavs, because the Eastern slavs are less Westernised and have some Eurasian Tartar, Mongolian and Greek Byzantine (Orthodox christian) elements. What Slavic women in general (if they are West slavic, Eastern slav or Southern slav) share is that they are very feminine, are amongst the most beautiful women in the world and are spread all over the world. From the USA to Israel, from South-Africa to Sweden, from Australia to Canada. People think about Slavic women and in the positive sense think of tennis players, fashion models, in the successful and positive sense good wives and mothers, grandmothers and aunts in Western-European and North-American families in the cases of marriages between a 'Western' man and a Central- or Eastern-European slavic women, good employees, businesswomen, secretaries at Western firms, nice fellow students at universities and vocational universities, employees at research institutes, professors at universities, diplomats, diplomat wives, actresses or artists. In the negative sense they are seen as prostitutes, porn actresses, thieves and robers, pick pockets and guestworkers.

Polish women are more tall and slender than the more voluptious Southern Slav Serb, Croat, Slovenian, Bosnian and Macedonian women. When I think of Czech women I often think about Blond and blue eyed slavic women and redheads, due to the 2 women I know with a Czech background. See images below.


Magdalena Kožená (also Lady Rattle; Czech: [ˈmaɡdalɛna ˈkoʒɛnaː]; born 26 May 1973) is a Czech mezzo-soprano.


Eva Jinek (born 13 July 1978) is a Dutch American journalist and television presenter. Her family is of Czech descent.


The Czech actress Veronika Hadrava was born on April 28, 1976 in Usti nad Labem, Czechoslovakia as Veronika Hadravova. She is known for her work on The X Files: I Want to Believe (2008), Supernatural (2005) and The Unseen (2016).


The Brunette Czech actress, pop singer and musical star Eva Burešová

Cheers,
Pieter

[pieter]

Southern slavic Croatian woman


Tatjana Šimić (born 9 June 1963), also known by the mononym Tatjana, is a Croatian-Dutch model, actress and singer. She is known as a sex bomb in the Netherlands and many Dutch men and boys had posters of her in their room or truck if they were a truck driver,


The Croatian president Kolinda Grabar-Kitarović in Poland


Serbian girls


Serbian girl in traditional garb


Serbian girl in traditional garb


Bosnian girl in traditional dress


Bosnian girls in traditional dress

[karl]

Pieter and Jaga

It was fun this time with this topic Pieter brought forward and Jagas reply.. Pieter has brought out some very interesting points that jogged my mind and Jaga brought out some very good points in reply, I was also to think over..

My self,, I must admit, at one time yes, I could spot a Russian person across the street or at a restaurant very easily by their walk and manner, in as well as spotting an American or Brit still for their manner is theirs alone as they most always appear as a tourist with expectations of some thing.. Being also, my self recognizes quickly between Turkish people against those of Arab back ground {Syrian, Iranian or Egyption} and many of Eastern European, but not always, for with the common manner of modern clothing of Western style. Especially in Berlin, there are so many different peoples many dressing how ever they feel unless of course being business folks, it is difficult to know for sure if they are new Germans, many generation Turks or Eastern European unless they speak..Of recent years, even Russians I have met spoke very excellent German and English to the extent speaking for my self, I would wonder silent in my mind, but not sure until our conversation would bring this out.

Long before to be married, I had tried {actually we both tried she and my self} to date a Russian lady, she worked in a restaurant I used to drop in for lunch. It was shortly after the wall came down. She had a crazy laugh some times when we joked, but was very caring and we seem to like the same things in life. But, we could never be alone, no matter if at a club or else where, some one always knew her and her language was not very nice when she confronted them. We just had to give it up in the end and we both cried some when we parted. My self in my private life, am so darn sensative and some times just care too much it would seem in this known world. My working life is not the same, it is work and that is it.

Karl

[Jaga]

Hello Karl,

good to hear about your past experiences with some Slavic women. I would say that as much as culture is similar, we are also different. For me it is easier to make friends with people from all around the world who have similar interests than with the Polish person who has different background, education, hobbies. So we are all alike and also different.

Pieter,

I watched more videos yesterday and some were pretty good and funny. Young people in Eastern Europe are so much more exposed into English language and culture. I especially liked the interview with one of the Ukrainian girls who said that even her parents agree that she would have more chance to develop her potential abroad.

May 22, 2020 17:12:02 GMT -7 karl said:

Pieter and Jaga

It was fun this time with this topic Pieter brought forward and Jagas reply.. Pieter has brought out some very interesting points that jogged my mind and Jaga brought out some very good points in reply, I was also to think over..

My self,, I must admit, at one time yes, I could spot a Russian person across the street or at a restaurant very easily by their walk and manner, in as well as spotting an American or Brit still for their manner is theirs alone as they most always appear as a tourist with expectations of some thing.. Being also, my self recognizes quickly between Turkish people against those of Arab back ground {Syrian, Iranian or Egyption} and many of Eastern European, but not always, for with the common manner of modern clothing of Western style. Especially in Berlin, there are so many different peoples many dressing how ever they feel unless of course being business folks, it is difficult to know for sure if they are new Germans, many generation Turks or Eastern European unless they speak..Of recent years, even Russians I have met spoke very excellent German and English to the extent speaking for my self, I would wonder silent in my mind, but not sure until our conversation would bring this out.

Long before to be married, I had tried {actually we both tried she and my self} to date a Russian lady, she worked in a restaurant I used to drop in for lunch. It was shortly after the wall came down. She had a crazy laugh some times when we joked, but was very caring and we seem to like the same things in life. But, we could never be alone, no matter if at a club or else where, some one always knew her and her language was not very nice when she confronted them. We just had to give it up in the end and we both cried some when we parted. My self in my private life, am so darn sensative and some times just care too much it would seem in this known world. My working life is not the same, it is work and that is it.

Karl