At the end of 2021, a new government was formed in Germany

[JustJohn or JJ]

At the end of 2021, a new government was formed in Germany. The coalition partners from the SPD, FDP and the Greens presented an agreement, which explicitly states that in their opinion the integration objective of the European Union should be further integration, ultimately turning the EU into a federal state like the U.S.. Welcome to the next episode of The 20s Report.

[pieter]

John,

Nice idea, nice try and nice attempt. But this will receive fierce restance of European peoples, states and regions John. What the German Social Democrats (SPD), Liberals (FDP) and Greens forget that most Europeans are more attached to their nation, country, Region, language, culture, traditions and customs than to the abstract concept of a Federal European state. Many Nationalists, Patriots, National Conservatives, National Populists, leftwing Populists, traditional conservatives, Christian Democrats and even Patriotic Social Democrats, Patriotic Liberals and Regionalist people reject this idea. This could lead to European conflicts, civil wars, wars between EU member states in the sense of a confrontation between Pro-EU and anti-EU (Pro-Brexit) countries. Other nations might follow the Brexit of the UK with a Nexit (Dutch withdrawal from the European Union), Frexit (a portmanteau of "French" or "France" and "exit"), Danexit (Danish withdrawal from the European Union), Grexit (Greek withdrawal from the eurozone), Huxit (Hungarian withdrawal from the European Union), Polexit (Polish withdrawal from the European Union) and Roexit (Romanian withdrawal from the European Union), Flanders might leave the Belgian Federal republic and the EU with a Flexit (Flemish Nationalists and seperatists are notorious for their Anti-Belgicism and Hard Eurosceptic stance), Slexit (Slovak withdrawal from the European Union in which case Slovakia will orient itself to Russia, the USA and China for trade ties), Esexit (Estonian withdrawal from the European Union), Spexit (Spain leaving the EU), Itexit (Italy leaving the EU) and many other nations.



There is a tension between the cosmopolitan Universalist Internationalist progressive, liberal, Social Democratic and Green Pro-European Federal State people on one side and the conservative, conservative liberal, christian democratic, National Populist (National Conservative), farmer interest party people, dissident Social Democrats and leftwing populists on the other side. I think most Europeans don't want a European Federal state, the United States of Europe (USE) is ridiculous in many European people's eyes. We are Dutch, German, Polish, Czech, French, Italian, Slovak, Hungarian, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, Flemish, Walloon, Luxembuergian, Austrian, Portuguese and Spanish people. We are who we are and we respect other Europeans, but we reject a large super state with a powerful Federal administration and foreign central rule. We want to stay a National democracy John and rule ourselves. The EU is good for economical cooperation, some European laws, trade, European infrastructure and cooperation, but to make a state of the EU would be unwise, risky, dangerous and foollish. Why, because there is no European unity. We have no common European culture, no common European language, no united customs and traditions, we are different and respect each other differences and that worked well for the past 70 years.




Fight for the Netherlands this Dutch guy says











The United States of Europe, a European Federation would work if a majority of the people will vote for such a state. But I think if that would succeed, a majority which votes Pro-Federalism, that there might be an aggressive or violent response of objectors and countries will leave the EU. Especially Central European countries with a Warsaw Pact, Comecon, Sovjet Influence past and some Southern-European countries like Greece, Italy and Spain, because they will see a Western-European and North-West-European based Federal European state with a powerful bureaucratic base in Brussels, Luxemburg city and Strasbourg and a strong Berlin-Paris Axis and powernbase in that. Greece, Italy and Spain won't like that, and Poland, Hungary, the Czech republic, Slovakia, the Baltic states and Romania won't like that either. These Central-European states might expand the Visegrád Group (Visegrád Four, V4, or European Quartet) with the Baltic states, Romania and even Ukraine. The Visegrád Group in that case will follow Józef Klemens Piłsudski's (5 December 1867 – 12 May 1935) old idea Intermarium (Polish: Międzymorze). Intermarium was a post-World War I geopolitical plan to unite former Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth lands within a single polity. The proposed multinational polity would have incorporated territories lying between the Baltic, Black and Adriatic Seas, hence the name Intermarium (Latin for "Between-Seas").

Prospectively a federation of Central and Eastern European countries, the post-World War I Intermarium plan pursued by Piłsudski sought to recruit to the proposed federation the Baltic states (Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia), Finland, Belarus, Ukraine, Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia. The Polish name Międzymorze (from między, "between"; and morze, "sea"), meaning "Between-Seas", was rendered into Latin as "Intermarium."

The proposed federation was meant to emulate the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, stretching from the Baltic Sea to the Black Sea, that, from the end of the 16th century to the end of the 18th, had united the Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Intermarium complemented Piłsudski's other geopolitical vision, Prometheism, whose goal was the dismemberment of the Russian Empire and that Empire's divestment of its territorial acquisitions.

Intermarium was, however, perceived by some Lithuanians as a threat to their newly established independence, and by some Ukrainians as a threat to their aspirations for independence, and while France backed the proposal, it was opposed by Russia and by most other Western powers.

A federation of Central and Eastern European countries would in the political, cultural, historical, regional, natural (organic) and Financial-economical sense be more succesful and manageable than the United States of Europe. A 21th century Intermarium plan would be different than Piłsudski's Intermarium plan of the late twenties or early thirties. The 21th century Federation would be a federation containing Poland, Hungary, Austria, the Baltic states (Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia), Finland, Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria, Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermarium

Cheers,
Pieter

[karl]

J.J.

An interesting idea that has been voiced in the short past by a few but never become fruitful for several reasons. One of course is all needs be to agree and this is not very possible with the few that would not agree with the many for their own vested interest.

To say a United States of Europe would be like the United States of America is not only unrealistic but simply an aberation of the truth with no connection what for ever.

Of the many many questions that are with this idea are as multiple as fleas on a dogs back.. For one, where with exception would be the capitol except for Brussels? With this is the question of president, for would it be one person with powers of decision? For that brings in to focus of a possible dictatorship and have we not had that with the last war? At present the EU has already in these few years becoming a vassal of Brussels and we do not need more of that. Freedom is just a word, but freedom of choice is exactly what it is.

www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/107898423/eu-has-become-the-kind-of-dictatorship-it-aimed-to-defeat

Karl

[pieter]

The Centre to centre-left Volt Europa (frequently abbreviated as Volt) party is a pro-European and European federalist political movement that also serves as the pan-European structure for subsidiary parties in several EU member states. Volt candidates stood on a common, pan-European manifesto in eight member states at the European Parliament elections in May 2019. The organisation follows a "pan-European approach" in many policy fields such as climate change, migration, economic inequality, international conflict, terrorism and the impact of the technological revolution on the labour market.

It was founded on 29 March 2017. In March 2018, the first national subsidiary party was founded in Hamburg, Germany. Volt has since established local teams in every EU member state, and is registered as a legal party in several of these countries.

The ideology of Volt Europe is based on European federalism, Social liberalism, Progressivism and Pro-Europeanism.

The federalisation of the European Union describes processes and proposals by which the European Union (EU) could be transformed from an informal confederation (a union of sovereign states) into a federation (a single federal state with a central government, consisting of a number of partially self-governing federated states). There is ongoing discussion about the extent to which the EU has already become a federation over the course of decades, and more importantly, to what degree it should continue to evolve into a federalist direction. The EU has no formal plans to become a federation.



Daniel Freund (born 14 October 1984 in Aachen) is a German politician who has been serving as a member of the European Parliament since July 2019. He is a member of the Alliance 90/The Greens (German: Bündnis 90/Die Grünen or Grüne) at the national level and sits with the Group of the Greens/European Free Alliance in the European Parliament.

Cheers,
Pieter

[pieter]

[pieter]

[pieter]

In the sense of Audi alteram partem (or audiatur et altera pars) is a Latin phrase meaning "listen to the other side", or "let the other side be heard as well" I post the following anti-Federalist anti-EU video's:

[pieter]

[pieter]

[pieter]

Folks,

Bureaucracy may mean many things. So may dictatorship. Until Sulla, the technique of dictatorial interludes provided the Roman republic with a convenient form of political catharsis to relieve the constitutional framework from the strain of military exigencies. Greek depotism was not the style of Caesar; Richelieu's gouvernement personnel was not an imperialist version of Cromwell's Commonwealth. Less compelling still are the parallels between Latin America's “strong man” regimes, Japan's “new structure” à la Konoye, and the one-party systems of National Socialist Germany, Fascist Italy and Soviet Russia. It is the totalitarian formula alone to which we intend to address ourselves —dictatorship built upon the masses.

The Brussels bureaucracy could quickly lead to European centralization of Europe with a dominance of the power centres of that European Federal state; Brussels, Luxemburg, Strasbourg, Berlin, Paris and The Hague (Europol, Eurjust, Europeana, the European Patent Office (EPO), and the International Criminal Court (ICC or ICCt)). People have to realise that today there is already a huge bureaucracy and powerbase in Brussels due to the European Institutions, the European Commission, the European parliament, and thus all the European EU buildings for the thousands of EU civil servants, adminstrators, commissioners, advisors, communication and public relations departments, legislators, EU judiciary, and other institutions. With a Federal European state, the powerful European elite of various large countries will try to get positions in Brussels, they will take with them thousands of civil servants. These political leaders and their civil servants in time will merge into a new European super bureaucracy. But in the same time there will be fierce competitions between groups of countries, influence zones and the various European powerbases.

Cheers,
Pieter

Source: www.cambridge.org/core/journals/review-of-politics/article/abs/bureaucracy-and-dictatorship/ABE0E8A087E9BDA8FEC4B77378084111