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Post by pieter on Jan 25, 2022 8:36:20 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Jan 25, 2022 8:36:56 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Jan 25, 2022 8:37:21 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Jan 25, 2022 8:39:18 GMT -7
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Post by karl on Jan 25, 2022 11:32:53 GMT -7
Pieter
It is interesting and not entertaining of the continuation of this situation that seems to build chapters in its own as time evolves. At this time, it is bluster and sword rattling by the sides in contention, but no matter, this is still a matter of Diplomatic work in progress.
It is of good hope the leadership in question of all will not listion too hard to their respective military Generals for their business is war and with out war, Generals are out of business.
We as people, do not need a war, for our peace is much too important to be wasted on such. Younger people of the present do not understand the consequences and results of combat, of the death and destruction that is the effect of war. Or how Europe was destroyed so badly in the last war of so many years past other then reading in the history books. We do not need that history repeated once again...
Karl
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Post by pieter on Jan 25, 2022 12:54:07 GMT -7
Karl,
I see old layers of tensions in a new form. The Napoleontic wars (1803–1815), The War of the Third Coalition (18 May 1803 – 18 July 1806), the First Serbian Uprising (1804-1813: Russian supporting Revolutionary Serbia against the Ottoman Empire), the War of the Fourth Coalition (1806-1807), the Russo-Turkish War (1806–1812; Turkey supports the Ukraine today with military drones), the Anglo-Russian War (1807–1812), the Finnsh War (1808-1809; Russia against Sweden), the French invasion of Russia (1812), the War of the Sixth Coalition (1812-1814), the Hundred Days/War of the Seventh Coalition (1815), the Russo-Turkish War (1828–29), the November Uprising (in Poland; 1830-1831), the Egyptian–Ottoman War (1839–41), the Mahtra War (in Estonia; May–July 1858), the Russo-Turkish War (1877–78), the Vose Uprising (1885; Russian Empire against Tajik Rebels from Tajikiistan), the Russian invasion of Manchuria (1900), the Urtatagai conflict (1913; in Afghanistan), World War I (1914-1918), the Polubotkivtsi Uprising (war between the Russian Provisional Government on one side and Ukrainian separatists on the other side in 1917), the Russian Civil War (1917-1922; Between the White armies and Red armies), The Polish–Ukrainian War (1 November 1918 – 18 July 1919; 8 months, 2 weeks and 3 days), the Ukrainian War of Independence (1917-1921), World War II (1939-1945), the Cold War (1947-1989) and the Russo-Ukrainian War (2014-ongoing). You could ad the Balkan wars of Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croatia and Kosovo these conflicts because Croats are fighting on the Ukrainian side and Serbs at the side of the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) and the Luhansk People's Republic (LPR) on the Russian side in Eastern Ukraine in the Donetsk Oblast.
In the present day conflict clearly some Eastern Front scenes from the First and Second World Wars return with the trenches, tank & artillery battles, mortar fire, heavy machine guns and war planes that are used as well next to the modern day Katyusha rocket launchers and the Buk missile system (on both sides).
Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by pieter on Jan 25, 2022 14:46:52 GMT -7
Pieter It is interesting and not entertaining of the continuation of this situation that seems to build chapters in its own as time evolves. At this time, it is bluster and sword rattling by the sides in contention, but no matter, this is still a matter of Diplomatic work in progress. It is of good hope the leadership in question of all will not listion too hard to their respective military Generals for their business is war and with out war, Generals are out of business. We as people, do not need a war, for our peace is much too important to be wasted on such. Younger people of the present do not understand the consequences and results of combat, of the death and destruction that is the effect of war. Or how Europe was destroyed so badly in the last war of so many years past other then reading in the history books. We do not need that history repeated once again... Karl
Very wise words. Of course I aggree with you. We don't need another First World War of Second World War. We see the scars in the Belgian, French, Dutch and German landscapes. Old treasures in the form of beautiful cities, towns and villages, castles, Palaces and old buildings that were flattened to rubble. Ugly landscapes with moon like craters where large bombs, grenades and rockets fell. The Belgian Flemish city and municipality in the province of West Flanders is an example of that.
Of the battles, the largest, best-known, and most costly in human suffering was the Third Battle of Ypres (31 July to 10 November 1917, also known as the Battle of Passchendaele), in which the British, Canadian, ANZAC, and French forces recaptured the Passchendaele Ridge east of the city at a terrible cost of lives. After months of fighting, this battle resulted in nearly half a million casualties to all sides, and only a few miles of ground won by Allied forces. During the course of the war the town was all but obliterated by the artillery fire.
We live in the 21th century now and not in the 19th century and early 20th century, the era's of the 19th and 20th century bloody wars on European soil. The trenches, troop movements and tank battles are back on the Eastern Front, today the war is largely fought by armies who use the same weapons and people who understand each others language, because most Ukrainians understand and can speak Russian.
I wonder how strong the Ukrainian army is with the military supplies of the USA, the UK, France and Turkey.
Fact is that we see nearly late 19th century or early 20th century geopolitical developments in Central- and Eastern-Europe. The Russian Federation is not the Czarist Empire nor the SovietUnion, but you see traces of these 2 old Russian dominated empires in the present day Russian Federation. Ukraine today is not the Ukrainian People's Republic (UPR), or Ukrainian National Republic (UNR),[c] was a country in Eastern Europe that existed between 1917 and 1920 led by by the politician and journalist Symon Petliura.
Today you have advanced military technologies, drones, cyber warfare, modern advanced weapons and very destructive nuclear arms. Europe and the world would look different after a large scale 21th century military conflict.
Cheers,
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Post by pieter on Jan 25, 2022 14:50:27 GMT -7
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