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Post by pieter on Jun 12, 2022 13:28:52 GMT -7
Mocro Marokk 7 months ago Also in the second world war a lott off maroccan died fighting for Holland The Netherlands pays tribute to Moroccan soldiers of World War II 17, 2013 9:48 a.m. Youssef El KaidiMorocco World NewsFez, Morocco, May 17, 2013Known as ‘mountain warriors,’ ‘Goumiers’ , and ‘Goums,’ Moroccan soldiers who sided with the Allied Forces in World War II showed incomparable bravery and commitment to the fight for the freedom of Europe. Morocco which was still under the French Protectorate contributed with about 85,000 soldiers to fight against the Nazi and Fascist dictators between, 1942 and 1945. Historians believe that the total of Goumier casualties in World War II from 1942 to 1945 was 8018 of which 1,625 were killed in action.
In memory of these soldiers who fought gallantly and died in defense of freedom and dignity, as well as in defense of future generations, the Netherlands paid tribute on Thursday May, 16th to these soldiers and their sacrifice for world peace and welfare. Under a rainy sky and in a festive atmosphere, the participants in the ceremony honoring Moroccan Goums stood in awe and respect for the sacrifice these heroes made.
The commemoration ceremony of Moroccan veterans was attended by members of the Moroccan community in the Netherlands and the mayor of the city of Kapil, who hailed the sacrifice of Moroccans and their contribution to the protection of his country. In the ceremony that took place in the city of Kapil (Zeeland province), the national flags of the Netherlands, France and Morocco were saluted and the national anthems of these countries were performed. Also, the participants put wreaths on the graves of the Moroccan heroes.
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Post by pieter on Jun 12, 2022 13:30:59 GMT -7
I tried to ad some Audi alteram partem (or audiatur et altera pars) "listen to the other side", or "let the other side be heard as well" into my latest replies, because my latest long text was quite one sided negative about Turks and Moroccans in the Netherlands from my perspective. No person or group should be judged without a fair hearing in which each party is given the opportunity to respond to the evidence against them.
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Post by pieter on Jun 12, 2022 13:35:28 GMT -7
Folks,
Except for their Eastern-slavic identity and probably less experience with Western culture and values Ukrainian refugees will integrate faster because they are welcomed, get homes and in many cases jobs. They are white, European people with a white skin, blue, brown or green eyes and will merge with the Dutch faster than people who look Arab, Berber, Turkish, Kurd, Iranian, Middle Eastern Armenian, Turkmen, Black African, Afghan (Pashtun, Tajik, Uzbek, Hazara, Azeri), Pakistani or Eastern-Asian looks (anti-Asians sentiments and attacks during the Civid-19 pandemic) and etc.
This may sound harsh, Eurocentric, White Caucasian centric and discriminatory towards the Middle Eastern, Central- and South Asian, North-African Maghrebian), Eastern-African and Central-African refugees which flee from war, civil war, Famine, poverty and unemployment. But these Arabs, Kurds, Iranian Persians, Afghan Pasthuns, Afghan Tajiks, Afghan Hazara people, Afghan Uzbeks, Afghan Turkmen, Afghan Balochi, Afghan Pashayi, Afghan Nuristani, North African Berbers (Moroccan, Algerian and Tunesian fortune seekers -They are not considered refugees in Europe-), Somalians, Eritreans, Ethiopians, Sudanese, Malinese, Ghanese, Senegalese and Liberian, Ivory Coast folks, Congolese, Reandian, Burmese, Central African (from the Central African Republic 🇨🇫) are simply not seen as ethnically, racially, culturally, religiously and politically European. European people from right to left and from the moderate centre (centre left and centre right and the Centrist Big tent parties) say, we have enough people of all these groups I just mentioned. We don’t need more of them, we shouldn’t enlarge that ‘Group’.
The welcoming attitude of the Europeans of Ukrainian refugees and the rejection or hostile attitude towards Middle Eastern, Afghan and African refugees saddened, irritated and angered Syrians, Palestinians, Iraqi’s, Afghans and others. The reply of the Europeans is “Each region and each continent should take care of it’s own refugees. The nasty consequence of such policies show the fate of European jews before and during the Second World War.
I believe that if you want to help people who are threatened by war, civil war, destruction (genocide and ethnic cleansing), terrorism, extremely dangerous organized crime, femicide (drugscartel violence in Mexico and Southern America) and famine, you have to turn down economical refugees and fortune seekers and be selective. Thus we have to sent back Moroccans, Algerians and Tunesians to North Africa and Pakistani people to Pakistan 🇵🇰. Secondly the world has to make an effort to find solutions in the continents, regions, area’s, Peninsula and Islands where the conflics take place. Create safe area’s with international UN multi-national peace keeping forces. Create no fly zones and create economical zones with development aid, food help, Keynesian economical measures, New Deal like programs and investments in the regions. Put economical pressure, sanctions, military pressure, all the diplomatic means and geopolitical tools to press war lords, depots, authoritarians, totalitarian regimes and terror organizations to stop armed conflict, war, civil war, terrorism, human made Famine’s, genocides and human rights violations.
First the world has to look in the regions for solutions. For instance Saoudi Arabia could benefit from highly educated Sunni Muslim Arab and Kurd refugees from Syria, Iraq and Yemen. The Saoudi’s have enough space, enough territory to build new cities, towns and Urban Agglomerations. Why should Europe take in all these Muslim refugees when rich Sunni Muslim and Shia Muslim nations like Saoudi Arabia, Iran, Qatar, United Arab Emirates 🇦🇪, Oman, Bahrein 🇧🇭 and Kuwayt could take in refugees? Lebanon, Jordan, Turkey and Egypt already have a lot of Syrian and Iraqi refugees. You can’t ask them to take in more. But Saoudi Arabia, Iran, Qatar, United Arab Emirates 🇦🇪, Oman, Bahrein 🇧🇭 and Kuwayt could do more.
Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by pieter on Jun 13, 2022 1:29:43 GMT -7
There is very little to no anti-Ukrainian sentiment in the Netherlands.
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Post by pieter on Jun 13, 2022 5:05:44 GMT -7
Turks in the Netherlands Turks in the Netherlands (occasionally and colloquially Dutch Turks or Turkish-Dutch; Dutch: Turkse Nederlander; Turkish: Hollanda Türkleri) refers to people of full or partial Turkish ethnicity living in the Netherlands. They form the largest ethnic minority group in the country; thus, the Turks are the second-largest ethnic group in the Netherlands after the ethnic Dutch. The majority of Dutch Turks descend from the Republic of Turkey; however, there has also been significant Turkish migration waves from other post-Ottoman countries including ethnic Turkish communities which have come to the Netherlands from the Balkans (e.g. from Bulgaria, Greece, Kosovo, North Macedonia and Romania), the island of Cyprus, as well as from other parts of the Levant (especially Iraq). More recently, during the European migrant crisis significant waves of Turkish minorities from Syria and Kosovo have also arrived in the Netherlands. In addition, there has been migration to the Netherlands from the Turkish diaspora; many Turkish-Belgians and Turkish-Germans have arrived in the country as Belgian and German citizens. Turkish flag and Dutch flag hanging side by side in the multi-ethnic neighborhood Kruidenbuurt, Eindhoven.Anti-Turkism Dutch police guarding Turkish homes during the Afrikaanderwijk riots in 1972.Even though progressive policies are installed, "especially compared with those in some other European countries such as Germany". Managing the multicultural society: The policy making process. Paper presented at the Conference on Today's Youth and Xenophobia: Breaking the Cycle. Wassenaar, Netherlands: Netherlands Institute for Advanced Study. The European Commission against Racism and Intolerance published its third report on Netherlands in 2008. In this report, Turkish minority group is described as a notable community which have been particularly affected by "stigmatisation of and discrimination against members of minority groups as a result of controversial policies of the governments of Netherlands.” The same report also noted that "the tone of Dutch political and public debate around integration and other issues relevant to ethnic minorities has experienced a dramatic deterioration".
Recently, use of the word "allochtonen" as a "catch-all expression" for "the other" emerged as a new development. European Network against Racism, an international organisation supported by European Commission reported that, in Netherlands, half of the Turks reported having experienced racial discrimination. Same report points "dramatic growth of islamophobia" parallel with antisemitism. Another international organisation European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia highlighted negative trend in Netherlands, regarding attitudes towards minorities, compared to average EU results. The analysis also noted that compared to most other Europeans, in the Netherlands, majority group is "more in favour of cultural assimilation of minorities" rather than "cultural enrichment by minority groups".CrimeIn 2015, individuals with a Turkish background were about 2.5 times as likely to be suspected of a crime compared to the overall native Dutch population, with of the first generation 1.7% being suspected, and of the second generation 3.6% (total males 4.28% and women 0.67%). However, when corrected for socio-economic position, Dutch people of Turkish descent are not more often suspected of crime than native Dutch people, according to numbers from 2012 and reports from 2014.EducationAccording to the Sociaal en Cultureel Planbureau annual report of 2005, most of the original first-generation Turkish migrants of the 1960s and 1970s had a very low level of education with many of them having had little or no schooling at all. In addition to these, many of the Turkish "marriage migrants" who arrived in the Netherlands by marrying an immigrant already living in the country as well as the 'in-between-generation' which arrived while aged 6–18 have a low education. An outcome of this circumstance is a poor command of the Dutch language.
All Turkish children of the second generation have attended primary and secondary education. However, their educational levels were on average lower. While almost half of the native Dutch population (and Iranian origin pupils) had ever attended higher secondary education (HAVO) or pre-university education (VWO), only a fifth of the Turkish second generation had. In 2015, the Turkish second generation percentage had increased to 27%.ConfessionMaybe I am not totally free off xenophobia, because I live in a mixed area of Native Dutch and Muslim migrants and I see the group of Muslim migrants growing. There is a Moroccan mosque in my street and in a short time another Turkish mosque will be build on the other side of my apartment in another street. Meanwhile due to secularisation Roman Catholic and Lutheran churches are becoming Hotels, health centers or are being demolished. I am not anti-Turkish or Anti-Moroccan, but I dislike the lack of integration and the growth of the Muslim group. Where they are the majority they dominate. The same thing is the case with other ethnic, religious and cultural groups of course. I hope my neighbourhood won't become another Duisburg (Germany) or Sonnenallee (Berlin, Neuköln, Germany). The world has to find resolutions for refugee crisis in the regions and continents where these crisis take place. With no-Fly zones, even United Nations international zones. In the Muslim world you have Saoudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwayt, Qatar, Bahrein, Oman, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Iran and other countries. Why should they go to Secular-Humanist, Christian and Caucasian Europe. Native Europeans have another culture, another ethnicity, like I said they are very localist (hamlet, village, town, with their own traditions, their own character), regionalist and nationalist. Even for Europeans it is sometimes hard to live in another part of Europe where there is another mentality, ethnicity, culture, language (very important) and political culture. All over Europe there is a resistance against the influx of Muslim migrants and refugees. We have our integration and assimilation problems already. Even more refugees increase the problems we already have.
There must be put heavy pressure on rich Muslim countries to take in Muslim refugees. Saoudi Arabia doesn't want to take them in but is fine (of course) with the Islamization of Europe. The growing influence of Salafism and Wahhabism in the Sunni Muslim communities in Europe, and the transformation of moderate or conservative traditional mosques in extremist, Islamist, Jihadist. Salafist mosques with Syrian, Iraqi, Egyptian, Saoudi, Pakistani or Chechen preachers who replace moderate Turkish, Kurd or Moroccan Berber or Arab imams. Or radical young Salafist Moroccan imams replacing older Moroccan mans who follow the the moderate Islam of the Maliki madhab supported by the administration of the Moroccan king King Mohammed VI. With a growing group of Eastern-European and Central-European christian immigrants from Ukraine, Poland, Lithuania, Romania and other countries also new future tensions could arrive between these groups on one side and intolerant groups of Western-European muslims on the other side. Europe is becoming more and more a fortress and the borders between Poland and Belarus, Greece and Turkey, Hungary on one side and Croatia and Serbia on the other side, and in time also Bulgaria, Romania, Italy, France, Spain and Portugal will become more fortified as well. The European Border and Coast Guard Agency, also known as Frontex, is very busy at the European borders. Poland and Hungary build fences.
The aversion against Muslim migrants and refugees is the largest in old peoples neighbourhoods, suburbs and towns with large migrant communities. It hink maybe you can compare it with the Mexican border and the influx of Latino people from Southern America, Central America (Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, and Panama) or Middle America (Americas) including Mexico. In the USA American English speaking White and Black people with an North American American (USA) culture have some problems with the arrival of masses of Hispanic Latino's and the fast rise of Latin American or Middle American Spanish language and culture in the USA. Even with rivalry between the Hispanic Latino's and African American communities in certain areas.
In the political correct (PC), Woke Culture, Multicultural leftist circles, Cosmopolitan universalist circles, some liberal circles and even some moderate conservative liberal or classical liberal circles raising this issue is taboo. With the emphasis on equality, that all human beings are the same, that we are all equal. But they don't want to see the reality of ethnic (tribal/clan) nationalism in certain migrant communities, anti-Western and anti-Democratic tendencies in certain communities and the fact that many of these Muslim migrants consider Islam ☪️, Islamic Jurisdiction, Islamic Law (Sharia), the Hadith (record of the words, actions, and the silent approval of the Islamic prophet Muhammad as transmitted through chains of narrators. In other words, the ḥadīth are transmitted reports about what Muhammad said and did), the Ummah (the Islamic community'; the collective community of Islamic people. 24.1% of the global population, or 1.8 billion people, are Muslims) as more important and superior to the West, Western civilization, Christendom (Christianity), Judaism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism, Zoroastrism, the Bahai faith, Democracy, Parliamentarianism, pluriformity, Freedom, Free thinking, liberalism, Western conservatism, Social Democracy, Marxism, Christian Democracy, Green Party politics, Feminism (emancipation of women),LGBTQI+ rights ( Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer and intersex), freedom of opinion and freedom of speech and organisation.
I am fond of and respect well integrated migrants, Turks and Moroccans who are clearly Moroccan, but speak standard Dutch and have found a good balance between being a Law Abiding Dutch Citizen, a compatriot of Native Dutch citizens and good at what they do. I respect Islam as a religion and Muslims as a people as long as they are tolerant, moderate, not aggressive, non-violent (peaceful), contributing to our societies and respectful towards christians, jews. Hindu's, Buddhists, Zoroastrists, Bahai people, Sikhs, Atheists, and others who are different than they are. There is peaceful coexistence between Muslims and christians and even in some cases between Muslims and Jews, but there are still to many cases where Muslims are not tolerant and aggressive towards others. That is a problem and worrisome. We Europeans have to be stricter than Germany and Sweden in 2015. Denmark and the Netherlands followed a better more strict and reticent course. It is terrible what happened in Syria, Iran, Afghanistan, Libiya, Yemen, Lebanon, Somalia and Sudan, but we should not import these problems to Europe. An explosive growth of the Muslim population in Europe is not in the benefit of Native Europeans nor in the interest of moderate and integrated Muslim migrants that are already here. How to solve the refugee crisis in another way is a good question.
Pieter
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Post by pieter on Jun 13, 2022 5:42:33 GMT -7
Everywhere in the Netherlands you see scenes of Ukrainian flags on flag poles of houses, glued to windows and hanging next to government buildings, company buildings or in certain public spaces.            
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Post by pieter on Jun 13, 2022 6:02:01 GMT -7
 Muncipality building Rotterdam Muncipality building Maastricht Muncipality building The Hague (Den Haag)    Muncipality building Amsterdam Amsterdam street On a field which is owned by Putin's son in law an Ukrainian flag was planted in Amsterdam Rozenburg is a town and former municipality in the western Netherlands, in the province of South Holland. The municipality had a population of 13,173 in 2004.       Tsar Peter house in the Dutch town of Zaandam       The Ukrainian embassy in The Hague (Den Haag), the Netherlands  Meppel, Northeastern Netherlands, old barn in Ukrainian colours. The church tower of the town Amersfoort, central Netherlands    |
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Post by karl on Jun 13, 2022 11:16:23 GMT -7
Pieter
It is most striking of such support given by the people of The Netherlands for the Ukrainians. It is a show of both mutual friendships between the two peoples and important moral support for the effected Ukrainian people.
It is though imperative to keep the war confined between only Ukraine and Russia and not allowed to break out through Poland and in to Western Europe. Mr. Putin will not be forever and with good hope the next in line leadership will have much better sense.
Karl
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Post by pieter on Jun 14, 2022 0:55:55 GMT -7
Karl,
The biggest challange and threat today is a Russian invasion and occupation of the Baltic states. If Russia manages to conquer Ukraine the Baltic states will follow. I have my doubts about Poland. Poland has a larger army and a lot of NATO forces are there and the Russians know that the Poles are fierce fighters. And if they invade Poland (a big ally of Ukraine) many Ukrainians frok the West ( migrants in Europe) and from Ukraine will join yhe Poles and the Russians will have a jointvPolish-Ukrainian front against threm, probably supported by the Baltics. But a reality today that the Baltic states with their large Russian minorities will be next if Ukraine falls.
Pieter
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Post by karl on Jun 14, 2022 6:46:30 GMT -7
Pieter
How well do my self agree with you in the matter of falling states if once Russian forces begin the similar on other Baltic states. In much disagreement with Western media, Ukrainian military forces are beginning to falter in maintaining their military might from the first beginning of a very large military force build up to a beginning weakening logistics in man power losses to munitions use. It would so appear Western media representatives are not very well knowledgeable with Russian tactics with their so called expertise in tactics.
For war is not agreeable to the senses of the reality of what actually occurs for one example, Western News reporters fail to provide camera footage of what happens to crews in tanks that are destroyed by hits from missile strikes. Once a projectile has struck and penetrated the tank hull, pieces of steel fly through out the interior setting off the ammunition racks which in turn blows off the weakest portion being the turret with white hot fire through out the interior. The crew bodies then after being torn apart by the initial blast, then are burnt black from the resulting fire.
The public needs be to see this for then to understand what war is. War is not a sensitive situation, it is what it is.
Karl
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Post by pieter on Jun 14, 2022 12:18:40 GMT -7
Pieter How well do my self agree with you in the matter of falling states if once Russian forces begin the similar on other Baltic states. In much disagreement with Western media, Ukrainian military forces are beginning to falter in maintaining their military might from the first beginning of a very large military force build up to a beginning weakening logistics in man power losses to munitions use. It would so appear Western media representatives are not very well knowledgeable with Russian tactics with their so called expertise in tactics. For war is not agreeable to the senses of the reality of what actually occurs for one example, Western News reporters fail to provide camera footage of what happens to crews in tanks that are destroyed by hits from missile strikes. Once a projectile has struck and penetrated the tank hull, pieces of steel fly through out the interior setting off the ammunition racks which in turn blows off the weakest portion being the turret with white hot fire through out the interior. The crew bodies then after being torn apart by the initial blast, then are burnt black from the resulting fire. The public needs be to see this for then to understand what war is. War is not a sensitive situation, it is what it is. Karl
I completely agree with you that Western media representatives are not very well knowledgeable with Russian tactics with their so called expertise in tactics. They have no access to information about the strength of the Russian armed forces and the Ukrainian armed forces. They do not have the military intelligence the American NSA, CIA, NATO, the British MI6 (Secret Intelligence Service (SIS)), the Mossad, AMAN, AIVD (the intelligence and security agency of the Netherlands, tasked with domestic, foreign and signals intelligence and protecting national security), the BND (the German Bundesnachrichtendienst; Federal Intelligence Service), the Militärischer Abschirmdienst (MAD, Military Counterintelligence Service) and the Polish Agencja Wywiadu, the Polish IMINT Centre (ORO), the Military Counterintelligence Service (Polish: Służba Kontrwywiadu Wojskowego; SKW, including SIGINT, Signals intelligence), the Narodowe Centrum Bezpieczeństwa Cyberprzestrzeni (NCBC - National Centre for Cyberspace Security) (SIGINT, cyberwarfare and cryptology) and other Western intelligence agencies with professional technology, equipment, satellites, spy planes and Signal intelligence technology have. About the AIVD; On January 25, 2018 Dutch newspaper de Volkskrant and TV program Nieuwsuur reported that in 2014 the General Intelligence and Security Service (AIVD) successfully infiltrated the computers of Cozy Bear and observed the hacking of the head office of the Democratic National Committee and subsequently The White House and were the first to alert the National Security Agency (NSA) about the cyber-intrusion.
In February 2022, Bruno Guntram Wilhelm Kahl (1962), President of the Federal Intelligence Service (Bundesnachrichtendienst, BND) was in Ukraine when Russia invaded and had to be taken home overland in a two-day journey by special forces when the country's airspace was closed.
From the early days of the Cold War the Gehlen Organization and later the BND had an intimate cooperation with the CIA, and often was the western intelligence community's only eyes and ears on the ground in the eastern bloc. BND is also regarded as one of the best informed intelligence services in regards to the Middle East from the 1960s. The BND was quickly established as the western world's second largest intelligency agency, second only to the CIA.[4] Both Russia and the Middle East remain important focuses of the BND's activities, in addition to violent non-state actors.
The BND today acts as an early warning system to alert the German government to threats to German interests from abroad. It depends heavily on wiretapping and electronic surveillance of international communications. It collects and evaluates information on a variety of areas such as international non-state terrorism, weapons of mass destruction proliferation and illegal transfer of technology, organized crime, weapons and drug trafficking, money laundering, illegal migration and information warfare. As Germany's only overseas intelligence service, the BND gathers both military and civil intelligence. While the Strategic Reconnaissance Command (Kommando Strategische Aufklärung, KdoStratAufkl or KSA) of the Bundeswehr also fulfills this mission, it is not an intelligence service. There is close cooperation between the BND and the KSA.
I wonder if the BND used former Stasi agents who were very close to the KGB and even had had a Stasi branch in Moscow to spy on DDR tourists in the SovietUnion. Although Erich Mielke's, head of the East German Ministry for State Security (Ministerium für Staatsicherheit – MfS) Stasi was superficially granted independence in 1957, until 1990 the KGB continued to maintain liaison officers in all eight main Stasi directorates, each with his own office inside the Stasi's Berlin compound, and in each of the fifteen Stasi district headquarters around East Germany. Collaboration was so close that the KGB invited the Stasi to establish operational bases in Moscow and Leningrad to monitor visiting East German tourists and Mielke referred to the Stasi officers as "Chekists of the Soviet Union".[16] In 1978, Mielke formally granted KGB officers in East Germany the same rights and powers that they enjoyed in the Soviet Union.
Signals intelligence (SIGINT) is intelligence-gathering by interception of signals, whether communications between people (communications intelligence—abbreviated to COMINT) or from electronic signals not directly used in communication (electronic intelligence—abbreviated to ELINT). Signals intelligence is a subset of intelligence collection management. As classified and sensitive information is usually encrypted, signals intelligence in turn involves the use of cryptanalysis to decipher the messages. Traffic analysis—the study of who is signaling whom and in what quantity—is also used to integrate information again.
The Western press has an enormous disadvantage towards Western and Russian Foreign Intelligence and military intelligence agencies and top diplomats with international contacts in the Corps Diplomatique, the international diplomatic community with it’s French language, English language, German language, Russian language, Polish language, Scandinavian languages, Chinese language, Ukrainian language, Italian, Spanish, Arab and "Modern Hebrew" (עברית חדשה ʿivrít ħadašá) often simply called Ivritt, with all these Multilingual polyglot translators, slavicists, Slavic speakers who know English, French and German at their disposal. For instance Polish-, Ukrainian-, Russian-, Czech-, Slovak-, Belarussian-, Lithuanian-, Latvian-, Estonian-, Slovenian- or Croat people with Slavic language skills and knowledge of Slavic languages in Cyrillic script (Russian, Ukrainian, Belarussian, Serbo-Croatian, Bulgarian, Macedonian, Rusyn, Serbo-Croatian, Bosnian, and Montenegrin).
Most Western media have only acces to Western American, Canadian, British, French, Italian, Scandinavian, Dutch (Bellingcat, a Netherlands-based investigative journalism group that specialises in fact-checking and open-source intelligence (OSINT)), Belgian, Luxemburgian (international finance and EU institutaions), Switzerland (the same as Luxemburg and also an international diplomatic center with Geneva, Davos and Basel), Ukrainian, Polish, Czech, Slovak, Baltic, Hungarian, Austrian, Australian, New Zealandic, Israeli (i24, Jeruzalem Post, Yedioth Ahronoth, Haaretz, Israel Hayom, Maariv, Channel 9: Russian-language television channel, The Times of Israel, and the Israeli Public Broadcasting Corporation) media and press. They stay in press hotels, press zones or press/ media centers filled with only Western colleagues. The other side, their Russian colleagues they don’t see, meet or hear. Nor Putin, Sergey Lavrov, Minister of Defence Sergei Shoigu, minister of internal affairs Vladimir Kolokoltsev, Putin’s siloviki ("people of force" or "strongmen) people who work in police, army, drug control, prosecutor's office, ministry of justice, FSB political police, former KGB, GRU, Foreign Intelligence Service (Russia) (SVR), Federal Protective Service (Russia) (FSO) and any other state organisation that has a right to use force against people. Senior siloviki under the presidency of Vladimir Putin include(d)Sergei Ivanov, Viktor Ivanov, minister of Defence Sergei Shoigu, Igor Sechin, Nikolai Patrushev, Alexander Bortnikov and Sergei Naryshkin who had or have close working relationships with Putin and hold (or held) key positions in Putin's governments. And next to them of course the current Chief of Staff of the Presidential Executive Office Anton Eduardovich Vaino, the Russian prime minister Mikhail Mishustin, First Deputy Prime Minister Andrey Belousov, Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation and Chief of the Government Staf Dmitry Grigorenko, Deputy Prime Minister Yury Borisov ( important figure in the Russian defence industry). And next to these politicians and Russian Nomenklatura, you have lower ranking Russian apparatchiks, full-time, professional functionaries of the United Russia government party or the government apparat of the Russian Federation (the Kremlin) (аппарат, apparatus), someone who hold any position of bureaucratic or political responsibility, with the exception of the higher ranks of management called nomenklatura.
I also think about Russian oligarchs; The Russian business oligarch Vladimir Potanin, the Russian oligarch, businessman, philanthropist and politician Roman Abramovich, the Russian–Azerbaijani businessman Vagit Alekperov, Russian billionaire and industrialist Oleg Deripaska, the Russian-Israeli oligarch, billionaire and politician Mikhail Prokhorov, Petr Aven, the Uzbek-born Russian businessman and oligarch Alisher Usmanov, Russian billionaire and businessman Gennady Timchenko, Arkady Rotenberg and his brother Boris Romanovich Rotenberg (Boris Rotenberg is considered a close confidant of president Vladimir Putin).
Nobody interviews Putin about his megalomanian "messianic" Russian nationalist and Eurasianist stance, war effort and Future plans.
So we get a very one sided narrative, no Audi alteram partem (or audiatur et altera pars), no "listen to the other side", or "let the other side be heard as well".
Today the huge Russian community of Israel 🇮🇱 with it’s direct connection with Russian friends, acqaintances, family, former (friendly neighbors) and colleagues and with their Russian language press and media is interesting. That huge Russian 🇷🇺 presence and influence in Israel (technologically, scientifically, academically, social-culturally, Financially, economically and politically) makes the diplomatic and neutral stance of Israel understandable. Israel wants to avoid internal discord and tensions and fears anti-Israeli Russian activities in Syria 🇸🇾. If Russia sides with the Syrian regime, Hezbollah and Iran against Israel Israel will have huge security and safety problems and would be at the brink of war. The Israel’s 🇮🇱 Remember the Soviet support for the Arab countries during the Yom Kippur War in 1973. If you look at it closely and critically a lot of these so called Soviet jews or Russian jews are non-Jewish according to Jewish religious law, the Haskalah. Many Russians in Israel eat pork and live Russian lives there. I wonder how strong the presence of the FSB, SVR (Foreign Intelligence Service), and the G.U. (Main Intelligence Directorate), the Main Directorate of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces is in Israel? Approximately 1,300,000 Russian-speakers Live in Israel. I think about Roman Abramovich (has an Israeli passport), Avigdor Lieberman (of the far right Yisrael Beitenu party supported by Russians), Natan Sharansky, Yuli Edelstein, Anastassia Michaeli (non-Jewish Russian maiden name Anastassia Mikhalevsky), Jan Talesnikov, Vadim Alekseyev, Michael Kolganov, Alexander Danilov, David Kazhdan, Leonid Nevzlin, Vadim Akolzin, Roman Bronfman, puin’s rabbi Berel Lazar (with close ties to Israel), Arcadi Gaydamak (lives in Moscow), Larisa Trembovler (married with Rabin’s murderer Yigal Amir), and ice hockey player Eliezer Sherbatov. On July 29, 2021, Sherbatov signed with HC Mariupol of the Ukrainian Hockey League. Upon the beginning of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, and particularly the battles in Mariupol, sherbatov found himself stuck in the city before being rescued by Israeli diplomats and members of the hockey community.
If we look globally at the present day Ukrainian-Russian war we see a Russian administration, military and intelligence community with both long term (Donbas war; 2014- Today June 2022) as short term goals (the War in Ukraine Februari 2022-June 2022 in Northern Ukraine 🇺🇦 , Southern Ukraine 🇺🇦 , targets in Western Ukraine near Lviv, and the expansion of the War in the Donbas region in Eastern Ukraine 🇺🇦 - The Mariupol and Sievierodonetsk tragedies, drama’s and human catastrophe's- ). The Russians seem to hold on to an old Tsarist Imperial and Soviet aim of control of a territoty which they see as the Russian inluence zone or Eastern-Slavic space of Russians, Ukraians and Belarussians. They ignore democratic facts in Ukraine where a majority supported a Pro-European (Pro-EU), Pro NATO and a moderate Ukrainian Patriotic administration which before this war wasn’t even anti-Russian. Today Russia has powerful allies in China, India, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, Pakistan (strangely enough both India and Pakistan have good relations with the Russian Federation), Brazil 🇧🇷, Cuba 🇨🇺, Venezuela 🇻🇪, Serbia 🇷🇸, Hungary 🇭🇺 and you have Pro-Russian 🇷🇺 National Populists and Communists in Europe and people with business ties to Russia (the former German Chancelor Gerhard Schröder, the French politician Marine Le Pen, the Austrian political party FPÖ and others).
We don’t get the whole diplomatic, geopolitical, Financial, Economical, Food production, military picture and the reality of what is really going on, what is really taking place in Ukraine from the Western media and press.
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