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Post by Jaga on Apr 22, 2022 23:21:05 GMT -7
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Post by karl on Apr 23, 2022 15:55:33 GMT -7
I am and was most amazed such a statement could have been spoken and then placed for public view. For that was such an unbearable horrible statement to make from the mouth of an educated man. Karl |
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Post by pieter on Apr 24, 2022 11:07:00 GMT -7
Folks,
This shows how propaganda works. Ridiculous statements like “Denazifying Ukrainian minds” show how far the Russian political climate and people are indoctrinated and manipulated. I have to say that there is Ukrainian propaganda and the Ukrainian narrative on the other side. Russia is committing war crimes and Ukrainian army units and militia (like the Azov Batallion) will probably commit war crimes as well. These things happen in brutal wars like these.
The statement of the Former Russian MP Alexander Sherin that Ukraine should be thankful that “we didn’t set as an objective the elimination of their children.” is a sick, retarded and inhumane statement and shows the lack of civilization, empathy and decency of this Russian politician. Unfortunately many Russians today are poisoned by the hatefull state propaganda and the Z signs everywhere. They hear the same message about “Ukrainian Nazi’s that are slaughtering ethnic Russians in the Donbas and other parts of Ukraine” over and over again on their radio, tv, in their newspapers and magazines, on billboards on their streets and boulevards and on their sensored internet. of Course I agree with Karl’s words.
I hope that the Ukrainian propagandawill not target ethnic Russians in Ukraine who are killed by Russian shelling, bombardments, attack helicopters, heavy tank fire as well.
Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by pieter on Apr 24, 2022 11:07:02 GMT -7
Folks,
This shows how propaganda works. Ridiculous statements like “Denazifying Ukrainian minds” show how far the Russian political climate and people are indoctrinated and manipulated. I have to say that there is Ukrainian propaganda and the Ukrainian narrative on the other side. Russia is committing war crimes and Ukrainian army units and militia (like the Azov Batallion) will probably commit war crimes as well. These things happen in brutal wars like these.
The statement of the Former Russian MP Alexander Sherin that Ukraine should be thankful that “we didn’t set as an objective the elimination of their children.” is a sick, retarded and inhumane statement and shows the lack of civilization, empathy and decency of this Russian politician. Unfortunately many Russians today are poisoned by the hatefull state propaganda and the Z signs everywhere. They hear the same message about “Ukrainian Nazi’s that are slaughtering ethnic Russians in the Donbas and other parts of Ukraine” over and over again on their radio, tv, in their newspapers and magazines, on billboards on their streets and boulevards and on their sensored internet. of Course I agree with Karl’s words.
I hope that the Ukrainian propaganda will not target ethnic Russians in Ukraine who are killed by Russian shelling, bombardments, attack helicopters, heavy tank fire as well.
Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by Jaga on Apr 24, 2022 11:33:19 GMT -7
Pieter, this denazification statements is crazy indeed. I can see how old Russians may believe it this because of some Ukraine cooperation with Nazi Germany during WW II but this was temporary and only because of the temporary situation and Stalin's Soviet Russia attempts to sovietize the area. There are also some comments about Azov's Battalion from German press that stresses nationalistic feelings of Ukrainian right, but every country has their right wings. Here is more: www.dw.com/en/the-azov-battalion-extremists-defending-mariupol/a-61151151 |
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Post by pieter on Apr 24, 2022 14:33:38 GMT -7
Jaga,
I had a remarable discussion with Dutch historians, intellectuals and journalists about the past and the present, the relationship between the many wars in the Polish Lithuanian Common Wealth, Ukrainian, Russian and Belussian space. Old Czaristic, Soviet, Cossack hetmans (Bohdan Khmelnytsky (1595 – 1657) and Cossack warriors on both the Ukrainian and Russian sides, the Napoleontic war in Russia, the 1905 revolution, the Februari revolution of 1917, the October Revolution of 1917 (7 November 1917 [Old Style 25 October 1917]), and the Polish–Soviet War when the armed forces of the Ukrainian People's Republic (1917-1920) under the lead of the Supreme Commander of the Ukrainian Army and the President of the Ukrainian People's Republic Symon Vasylyovych Petliura (22 May 1879 – May 25, 1926) fought together with the Polish army of the Second Polish Republic under the command of First Marshal of Poland Józef Piłsudski, lieutenant general Józef Haller, Major General Franciszek Latinik, Chief of General Staff Tadeusz Jordan-Rozwadowski, brigade general Władysław Sikorski, Divisional general Kazimierz Sosnkowski, lieutenant general Leonard Skierski, brigadier general Edward Rydz-Śmigły, general Stanisław Szeptycki and the Latvian army on one side against the Soviet armed forces (Red army) under the command of the head of government of Soviet Russia Vladimir Lenin, the People's Commissar for Military and Naval Affairs Leon Trotsky, Commander-in-chief of the Red Army Sergey Sergeyevich Kamenev and the head the Workers' and Peasants' Inspectorate comrade Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin.
Ad the First World War (1914-1918) to that, and the Russian civil war (7 November 1917 – 16 June 1923) between the White and Red armies on Russian and Ukrainian soil, the Holodomor (1932–193O), the great Famine deliberately enfored on the Ukrainians by the Soviet Russian NKVD in Stalin's era, the Second World War (Eastern Front and attrocities in Ukraine), and the operations of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army from 1942 until 1956 against the Nazi Wehrmacht, Waffen SS, Soviets (Red army, Soviet Partisans and the NKVD), Armia Krajowa, the communist Polish Peoples Army after the war, the Milicja Obywatelska, the Urząd Bezpieczeństwa (UB). The Division between Soviet backing Ukrainains being part of the Soviet Red army, NKVD and Soviet Partisans on one side and Ukrainian Nationalists of OUN and UPA on the other side already existed during the Thirties and fourties and fifties and you understand the present Ukrainian situation better from a historical perspective and narrative.
Today the Russians eliminated Ukrainian and ethnic Russian children in Ukraine by the bombardments and shooting at civilian cars, byclicles, hospitals, children hospitals and residential areas. The Division between Pro-Russian and Pro-Ukraine existed already during the nineties and in the early 21th century. For instance the Party of Regions was a pro-Russian political party in Ukraine which was formed in late 1997 and then grew to be the biggest party of Ukraine between 2006 and 2014. The present day political party Ukraine is Our Home is a sort of follow up of the Party of Regions and is allegedly Pro-Russian. Ukrainian and Russian media outlets have speculated that the party is a project of Ukrainian oligarch Rinat Akhmetov and has been created to take votes away from the Pro Russian and Eurosceptic opposition Platform — For Life (Ukrainian: Опозиційна платформа – За життя; Russian: Оппозиционная платформа – За жизнь, OPZZh). The follow up of Platform for Life and Peace (Ukrainian: Платформа за життя та мир, romanized: Platforma za zhyttya ta myr; Russian: Платформа за жизнь и мир, romanized: Platforma za zhizn' i mir; PZZhM/ПЗЖМ or PLP) serves Russian minority interests and is Eurosceptic.
Of course many Russian speaking Ukrainians and ethnic Russians in Ukraine (from Kharkiv, Chernihiv, Mariopul, Melitopol, Kherson, Zhytomyr and Irpin) today have become anti-Russian and Pro-Ukrainian, because they were bombarded, their homews were destroyed and their family members killed or wounded.
Cheers,
Pieter
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