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Post by jimpres on Nov 17, 2005 19:22:09 GMT -7
Keep up the digging you will be successful. Let us know how you do.
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Post by suzanne on Nov 17, 2005 20:19:42 GMT -7
Well, all the encouragement here is helping to spur me on! That plus the fact that my dad is all fired up to start sorting out all the family history bits and pieces that my mother got from my grandmother. I'm looking forward to going through all of that with them next month.
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Post by jimpres on Nov 17, 2005 20:29:40 GMT -7
It's best to do the research while you have relatives alive. After that it's a lot of digging and making judgments on what you have found and takes more time. Record and film while you can
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Post by kaima on Nov 19, 2005 21:04:03 GMT -7
The the info I have. It lists her as coming from Czechoslovakia, from a city (Bardios) whose name did not even come up on Google it. help! OK, It took me a while to come to this page, and I am surprised to find something immediately worth speculating on. "Bardios" sounds a lot like "Bartfa" and today "Bardejov", a beautiful town in the old county of Saris or Sharis or Sharos, depending on the langauge you are reading. Oh, "Bartfeld" may be the German redition of the town name. Since this is a Polish forum, you can start at Dukla and go south and then west in Slovakia and it is not too far. In WW I there were some battles very close by. It is a Rusyn area. If you have more questions, ask. I will check back. Kai
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Post by suzanne on Nov 20, 2005 19:01:23 GMT -7
Kaima, Thank you so much for coming up with Bardejov as a suggestion for "Bardios." It has been driving me nuts. I Googled Bardejov and since its other name is a Hungarian one (Bartfa) I have a feeling this is what they meant. But was my grandmother ever in Bardejov? That's something I need to dig to find out. I will know next month when I finally get my hands on a bunch of family info and will post again if I find anything of interest.
Thanks.
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Post by 34105vinca on Jan 24, 2006 19:29:33 GMT -7
From info given to me when I was a child, I was able to find my father on the ship manifest. There was a slight error in the spelling of the last name, but the reference to family contact (his brother) had name correct and home town was correct. I was a year off "1894" but I found it. My Dad told me it took 13 days and everyone was seasick (winter time on atlantic) I sent for a certified copy and got it just fine. Also a picture of the ship. All is now in family archives. z bogem, FRANKLIN J. BLACK (CZERNIKOWSKI) Naples, Florida
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Post by kaima on Jan 25, 2006 20:00:36 GMT -7
Jim, Yes, I noticed there were lots of misspellings & typos on that manifest. Not much of a surprise, considering that many passengers did not speak enough English to communicate with the guy who recorded all this info, and the guy recording this info was just some clerk who probably had no knowledge of European geography or any language other than English! "Eperioch, Czechoslovakia" when her place of birth is actually Eperjes, Hungary. The spelling of "Eperioch" certainly does not look like any kind of E. European place name and I am wondering if this is a gross misspelling. I need to find out if Eperjes (today a town about 170 miles SE of Budapest) was ever part of CZ. When she was born, it was known, as far as I know, as the Austro-Hungarian Empire. I don't know exactly when Czechoslovakia became known as a country proper. Oh my, oh my! Welcome to Old Hungary, dear child! We do things differently here. We were the last country in Europe to give up Latin as the official language of the country, around 1848 or so... Then if you wish to follow what we were doing at different times and on different maps, you must become familiar with several languages to one degree or another. Latin has been mentioned, and since this is Hungary we will add that language. There were some Aborigines when we moved into the Danubian Plain, but we give them No Name unless we absolutely must. If so, then we call them Toth or, hmmm... more recently "Slovak", whatever that may be! Add that as another language to be familiar with. After the Mongols (Tatars are the same in common parlance) romped through in 1241 we invited the Germans in to settle the newly emptied lands, so German will also be added to our list of languages. Oh, we should break this off and get to Eperjes, but we dare not forget that the Polish were on the northern border forever and we did have to fight over that a bit, both in politics and church authority, so some Polish to the mix as well. Now some of the people we love the most are the Ruthenians, just one more tribe of Slavs we will work on to Magyarize (Madyarize, to become Madjarone). Oh, they call themselves Rusyn or even Ukrainian today, but that is just politics today. They REALLY want to be Hungarian! So add Rusyn language and both Latin and the Cyrillic alphabet versions to your list. Don't tire yet, we are getting there! Along with all of the languages it would be no fun if we didn't have multiple names for each town - say one name for each Language. Hmmm Eperioch / Eperjes you say. Good for a fit to the Latin, I'll bet, so good for the Hungarians. Now for a good Germanic version, let us take Preschau, and them for the Slovaks let us call it Presov. That would be a good name for a town in North Hungary.... Oh! It is 2006 and not 1906. North Hungary is an old area that now has broken off and went from Czecho-Slovakia to Slovakia, so a citizen born there 90 years ago could have changed citizenship three times without changing residences. It must be an interesting corner of the world. Somehow I suspect the history and the peoples and the cultures over the last 1000 years are more fun than a barrel of monkey, and more colorful than the "Lord of the Ring" trilogy. Wow. What else would you wish? Kai
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