bujno
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Post by bujno on Feb 7, 2007 3:10:51 GMT -7
Some good news from Poland for Joan and George. But, just to stay in equilibrium and avoid over-sweeting, it will be cited from an ironic, malicious, scorning, ridiculing, taunting, fantastic and constructive Poland-blog of an Englishman in Warszawa. His nickname is... Beetroot. And he works in Polish Radio. Crime rate down in Poland... ......but some crimes in Poland are still higher than many realize. Interior Minister Ludwik Dorn announced on Friday that the overall crime rate fell by 10.7% in 2006. Theft fell by 13.5%. More importantly, theft related killings were down by 8 percent. Corruption detection – a central plank of the government’s domestic policy – was up 6.4%. Crime in much of the western world – UK and the US for instance – is also on the way down, but, crucially, the number of people in the main age category most associated with crime – the 16 – 25 year olds – is falling in those countries. So the sub-population where the criminals originate is falling. Poland, however, has seen a bulge in 16 – 25 year olds, following the Polish ‘baby boom’ of the 1980s. So crime is falling at a time when the criminal sub-population is growing. So these figures are a major success. How much of this is due to the government, however, is less clear. But how criminal is Poland? Crime in general has risen since the introduction of capitalism. Capitalism in a sense is crimogenic. But what worries Poles the most is that Poland has become a more dangerous place to live. But is it any more or less dangerous than the average western society? Well, the bad news is that Poland has a higher murder rate, per capita, than does the United States! Poland has a murder rate of 0.0562789 per 1,000 people … America has a rate of 0.042802 per 1,000 people. Those stats will come as a bit of a surprise to both Americans and Poles, no doubt. The country where you are most likely to get murdered in the world, by the way, is – no surprise – Columbia. The safest country in the world is Qatar (see the whole fascinating list here) Luckily for Poles, however, most murders appear to be gang related – one criminal killing another. (Perhaps there is a kind of Darwinian thing going on, and in a few years time all the weaker thugs will have become extinct, and we will be left with a handful of Superthings… ) But the news that the murder rate is falling in Poland is going to go down very well here, and not just with the government’s supporters. I don’t suppose gang related criminals are too disappointed about it, either. posted by beatroot @ 2/05/2007 BTW I recommend reading this one too: Critics of the US anti-missile system in Central Europe have the same paranoid mind set as the man who wants to place them here: George W Bush. beatroot.blogspot.com/2007/01/anti-missile-system-in-poland.html
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Post by hollister on Feb 7, 2007 4:51:46 GMT -7
I second Bunjo's recommendation of Beetroot - another blog that I read and find interesting is Traveling Life - written by a Pole who is currently in the studying in the US. I think he is in DC now (he just moved from Chicago). The url is traveling-life.blogspot.com/
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Post by george on Feb 7, 2007 17:19:06 GMT -7
Yes Bujno the crime rate has gone down in Poland thankfully. ( im shocked to find the murder rate is higher than the US ). However i have read one of the main reasons for this is the emigration of thousands of thugs who are going to western Europeon countries to make more money. Many of them apparently come back to Poland to party and when the money runs out scoot back to western Europe to work again. Please note my postings are not meant to be the bearer of bad news. When i read news about Poland, often its not always good news. Thats however normal. Exp. Read the average American newspaper and you will find the vast majority of news printed as being somewhat negative. Exp. the Iraq war, the budget deficet, uninsured people etc, etc. There is a town close by to me where the populace moaned about the news media only reporting the bad news. Some guy decided that he would print a local newspaper that printed ' only good news" aka Pravda. The project flopped like a dying fish. I'm not trying to be negative, only i'm trying to spur discussions.
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Post by joanzaniskey on Feb 7, 2007 18:33:04 GMT -7
To all, May I weigh in on crime in America, "My home town" In tiny town of Riverhead, LI, NY there is a major problem with and growing with gang activity. With it comes drugs, guns,and all the rest of the crime that is part of gangs. Ha you say, crime is part of US culture. Not lately, based on your very informative posts. Seems like the crime business will keep on growing throughout the world. I don't see myself as negative, only a realist. Joan
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Post by bujno on Feb 8, 2007 1:56:12 GMT -7
Okey, I got your point. However you do sound negative to me, hence my reaction. Sorry if I was wrong, George. I just don't find biased and unconstructive critisicm interesting to read. And since I like this forum and read almost all authors here I try to make it as interesting for me as can be he he. You must know that the internet is full of all kinds of neo-Americans silly and arogant as well as some of the classic Poland pounders, who suffer a lot that Poland has made a historical joke to them and has became a normal, developed country. And in their minds the former are trying to keep the image of communist Poland they have left behind, in fact the worse they see Poland the better it serves for their minds confirming to them that they made a good decision. I know it is not you and no such attitude did I find in this forum, that's is why I joined and enjoy it.
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Pawian
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Post by Pawian on Feb 10, 2007 13:50:14 GMT -7
Poland has a murder rate of 0.0562789 per 1,000 people … America has a rate of 0.042802 per 1,000 people. Those stats will come as a bit of a surprise to both Americans and Poles, no doubt. Sorry but I have to correct this. Poland has never had the murder rate higher than America. There is some misunderstanding in your data. Could you check it, please? The statistics I have just read in the most recent news piece is like this: Murder rate per 100 thousand people: Poland - 2,1 Germany - 3 USA - 5.5 Rape Poland - 5,1 England - 7.78 Germany - 10.7 Sweden - 29 USA - 32,2 wiadomosci.o2.pl/?s=512&t=8086 The article in Polish: Poland is safe! The article corroborates your statement - the Polish crime rate diminishes. What is more, comparing Poland to other countries, we still live in a very safe country.
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Post by constantine on Feb 10, 2007 14:05:01 GMT -7
Rape Poland - 5,1 England - 7.78 Germany - 10.7 Sweden - 29 USA - 32,2 Mmmmm, is it real fact, that american men are so sexual active?
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Post by Pawian on Feb 10, 2007 14:17:42 GMT -7
Rape Poland - 5,1 England - 7.78 Germany - 10.7 Sweden - 29 USA - 32,2 Mmmmm, is it real fact, that american men are so sexual active? Rape isn`t sexual activity. Rapists have very acute mental problems, that`s why they rape. It comes out of their troubled psyche, not sexual prowess.
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Post by bescheid on Feb 10, 2007 15:10:44 GMT -7
Poland has a murder rate of 0.0562789 per 1,000 people … America has a rate of 0.042802 per 1,000 people. Those stats will come as a bit of a surprise to both Americans and Poles, no doubt. Sorry but I have to correct this. Poland has never had the murder rate higher than America. There is some misunderstanding in your data. Could you check it, please? The statistics I have just read in the most recent news piece is like this: Murder rate per 100 thousand people: Poland - 2,1 Germany - 3 USA - 5.5 Rape Poland - 5,1 England - 7.78 Germany - 10.7 Sweden - 29 USA - 32,2 wiadomosci.o2.pl/?s=512&t=8086 The article in Polish: Poland is safe! The article corroborates your statement - the Polish crime rate diminishes. What is more, comparing Poland to other countries, we still live in a very safe country. Pawian If perhaps I may intrude for only a moment. It is easy to understand the differences in crime frequencies depending upon the classification of each respective agencies. I am not sure of the Polish method of crime classification. The German system of law is based upon Roman Law, where as the American and Canadian system is based upon British law. With the above bases of criteria lays the confusion as in numbers of each crime classification. The Americans are governed by the FBI requirement of Uniform Crime Reporting. A rape report is not just necessarily such. For each individual case is different. Example: Rape. May be classified as {voluntary, involuntary, forcible, by threat, forcible by deception} Murder: may be classified as: manslaughter, undetermined causes, accidental, by deception, then the degree of murder {1st, 2nd and 3rd} It is dependent upon the reporting. In each case, the result is the same, for it was a rape and for the death, it was a murder. But, not as classified. Whilst in Canada, I worked with {Identification and documents} for our department. Their pathology labs are as good as any. Very comparable to European and American in the technology and equipment. And yes, I have witnessed for forensic purposes of Identification in pathology to determine true cause of death of persons of our interest {employees and contract associates}. I will not go into detail of the process of autopsy, but, it begins with the identification through finger and foot printing with photographs, weighing and measurements. It begin at the cranium opening and progressively down through the body. With body fluid analysis and so forth, I think you have the idea. Charles
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Post by constantine on Feb 11, 2007 3:39:57 GMT -7
Rape isn`t sexual activity. Rapists have very acute mental problems, that`s why they rape. It comes out of their troubled psyche, not sexual prowess. Yeah, these men are just mentally diseased. But I think that the death penalty is a universal medicine from such desoders.
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Post by bujno on Feb 11, 2007 3:43:37 GMT -7
Mmmmm, is it real fact, that american men are so sexual active? Rape isn`t sexual activity. Rapists have very acute mental problems, that`s why they rape. It comes out of their troubled psyche, not sexual prowess. In Russia rape is traditionally viewed as a demonstration of manly power and it is not viewed with such abomination as in more westernward parts of Europe. Am I right Kostia?
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Post by bujno on Feb 11, 2007 3:50:45 GMT -7
Pawian, the Beetroot’s data included in the article I’ve cited originated from www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capitaAt the end of the table we read that the data are the total recorded intentional homicides. Per capita figures are expressed per 1,000; the source is Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, covering the period 1998 – 2000. The data you cite are much more recent (thank you!!) but originate from the local „statystyki Komendy G³ównej Policji 2005 r.”. What’s more the homicide rate is expressed per 100,000 inhabitants, which may (or may not) suggest another statistical method applied. If we multiply UN data by 100 the difference is not that huge. Probably during these 5 years the thugs in Poland have killed each o (if you read the bootroots article...) Anyway, thanks for your quick reflexes and the correction!
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Post by constantine on Feb 11, 2007 4:29:05 GMT -7
In Russia rape is traditionally viewed as a demonstration of manly power and it is not viewed with such abomination as in more westernward parts of Europe. Am I right Kostia? Yes, but only as a subject of grim humour and jokes. "Man and woman in the one passenger elevator" (Woman with tremor): - You will rape me? (Man with fright): - No, no madam!!! (Woman with threat): - But I think you have to!!!!
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Post by bujno on Feb 11, 2007 4:32:30 GMT -7
haha hhahhaaaaaaaa I like that one. Thank you!
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Post by pieter on Nov 5, 2008 0:50:49 GMT -7
Funny and interesting old news! (I mean the image of the Police policeman with a Teddy bear)!
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