What 4000 Means

[rdywenur]

Leni I think you mistake our posts. When you first posted it sounded like you were bragging how much you can drink. I still think you are too young to drink but mainly my concern is for your well being. I know guys your age like to brag and the first thing they brag about is drinking. My cousin in Poland is an alcoholic and it is very tough on my family there. I was married to an alcoholic. He finally went sober and joined AA and helped alot of people but unfortunately one addiction is usually replaced by another. Sadly he took his own life almost 2 years ago.

What really bothers me most is to hear that so many Poles in Poland are hard drinkers and there is a huge drinking problem. They are also the same here. I am not quite sure what the answer is to this but I wish it were different.

[franek80]

Chris!
I myself have nothing ut praise for the way that I was treated after my service. Being severly wounded I remained in the Army hospitals until late 1946 long after the war was over.Since everyone was already home,I felt like I too wanted to go home.the Army 0bliged and I was discharged ,but continued my care through the Veterans Administration.. They too offered excellent care. I was awarded an 80% disability pension for the rest of my life. Even today,62 yrs later the offer to pay for any non service disablity that I may have.We were offered all the benefits under the GI bill. They paid for my brothers college tuition.
Say what you want.This is the greatest country iun the world.


Franek

[Mary]

franek80 said:

Chris!
I myself have nothing ut praise for the way that I was treated after my service. Being severly wounded I remained in the Army hospitals until late 1946 long after the war was over.Since everyone was already home,I felt like I too wanted to go home.the Army 0bliged and I was discharged ,but continued my care through the Veterans Administration.. They too offered excellent care. I was awarded an 80% disability pension for the rest of my life. Even today,62 yrs later the offer to pay for any non service disablity that I may have.We were offered all the benefits under the GI bill. They paid for my brothers college tuition.
Say what you want.This is the greatest country iun the world.


Franek

Thanks Franek,

This was the point I was trying to make, although I am not a veteran, I am related to and friends with many vets.

I think the media slams our government way too much and blows much out of proportion. It's not "headline news" if it's not something BAD.

I for one deeply appreciate our vets and all they have given to enable me and my family to live in this great country, and with all we have available to us.

Hugs and kisses to you Franek....XXX OOO XXX OOO

Mary

[franek80]

Mary, I read your post about vietnam vets. This upsets the hell out of me.. WHAT RIGHT did we have in going to Vietnam in the first place? ^That was not our war. The same goes for Korea,Kosovo. Afganastan and Iraq.. Since when did we become the world police man? Bull crap. In #WW2 we fought because we were attacked. But the other conflicts were all political..Why do American boys have to die for political reasons. American boys are dying and Haliburton is getting richer.
I had better quit, my blood is begining to boil about this injustice.

Franek

[Atlantis5]

franek80 said:

Mary, I read your post about vietnam vets. This upsets the hell out of me.. WHAT RIGHT did we have in going to Vietnam in the first place? ^That was not our war. The same goes for Korea,Kosovo. Afganastan and Iraq.. Since when did we become the world police man? Bull crap. In #WW2 we fought because we were attacked. But the other conflicts were all political..Why do American boys have to die for political reasons. American boys are dying and Haliburton is getting richer.
I had better quit, my blood is begining to boil about this injustice.

Franek

Dear Franek

I have little to offer but to only a small addition. For you are a warrior for the country that nurtured you. As a warrior, you do your duty to insure the fellow warrior of opposite is to die for his country and not of you...As a warrior, you are brought out from your mother and father as their child, then once into the factory of military training, you are elevated from young religious shall not kill, into a trained professional dealer of death. You are now a trained professional killer. You are a solder.

You are my elder of another nation, yes. My country never attacked the nation of America, no. The nation of America did attack and conquer my country at war of Germany. This is a fact.

But then perhaps the history writers of America will refute this?

The war was against the Britisch,not America.

My country had conquered all of Western Europe, and was to gain that of all of Eastern Europe.

This was a European war, so why for the America to enter? For my country had not to attack your America..

And yes, I was a little fellow in secret living with my Auntie in Dänmark in this time of our war {not the Amerika war}.

But yet of today, for why are so many so interested in the European war of so long past.

Charles

[franek80]

Dear Charles;
We discussed this before.You and I were no more than cannon foder. We w

ent to war because if we did not then we would be jailed and disgraced
I never was a flag waver. I was just a kid that turned 18.Three weeks later I was in the army. I had no regret because evrybody else was drafted too.

[franek80]

Dear Charles;
We discussed this before.You and I were no more than cannon foder. We w

ent to war because if we did not then we would be jailed and disgraced
I never was a flag waver. I was just a kid that turned 18.Three weeks later I was in the army. I had no regret because evrybody else was drafted too..
As far as being a killer.LOL! No,far from it.It was either fight or die..I was young and liked life.
Why America joined the war? No one never discussed that matter with me to get my approval.
Chill out Charles that happened 60 some years ago.It is all history now.

Franek

[freetobe]

Charles,
The Tripartine Pact of 1940, a military alliance of Germany, Japan and Italy would certainly justify an American presence in Europe after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941. I certainly agree that the ongoing dialogue here on the subject of WW II is pointless. Enough!

[Jaga]

I think it is very sad that the death of American soldiers as well as Iraqis is seen as something distant. It is partly due to the fact that neither Bush (Bush's father served and he was cautious about Iraq) not Cheney had any military experience or any family member who serves there. So, for them the 4000 is just a number, as like there were NO PEOPLE BEHIND.

Rumsfeld did not even sign the letters with condolences. Pres. Bush is just too happy. How can I believe that he really grieves each loss? Do any of you believe it?

from:
www.crooksandliars.com/2008/03/29/the-man-behind-the-4000th-number/

These men and women sacrificed for some amoral ideological notions of profit and hegemony all had lives that have been cut needlessly short and deprived their loved ones of their companionship forever.

[Jaga]

Noted the British newspaper the Daily Express: “Bush larked about with a 6-[foot-tall] Easter Bunny yesterday [Sunday, March 23] as his troops mourned their 4000th death in Iraq. The grim milestone was reached after four U.S. servicemen were killed when their patrol in southern Baghdad was hit by a roadside bomb on Easter Sunday. The president was pictured hugging the [Easter Bunny] at the White House as children…took over the South Lawn for the [annual] Easter Egg Roll….”

[Jaga]

from Schrek movie - the king's speech:

some of you may die but it is sacrifice I'm willing to take

[Atlantis5]

freetobe said:

Charles,
The Tripartine Pact of 1940, a military alliance of Germany, Japan and Italy would certainly justify an American presence in Europe after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941. I certainly agree that the ongoing dialogue here on the subject of WW II is pointless. Enough!

FTB

Thank you for you thoughtful addition in reply. Yes, your point is very valid and understandable.

I was to delete out an additional informational reply of my own from our side in those turbulent times. As you have described; it is pointless and non-sensual after all of these long years.

Charles

[Atlantis5]

Jaga

I think perhaps this is one of many mysteries of the American system. Leadership should and need be supported by the people as they are responsible for placing that person into the office of responsibility, this is the foundation of most Democratic republics.

In this manner, if the common vote places the elected official into the office of responsibility, then the responsibility is then shared with the public.

The general always salutes his/her military. For the General needs the respect and loyalty of the forces commanded for they are his/her means of accomplishment.

In as so, the high office of presidency {American}. This person was placed into office by common elected vote and as so carries the will of the people.

If perhaps the people were wrong with their decision of election, then it should be the people to burden the blame of responsibility. Then place into process of recall of the person {impeachment} as a rectification of faulty judgment.

In little words, blame and condemnation should be not laid upon the shoulders of leadership, just upon their decisions.

Charles

[Bob S]

Once again I may say something that will displease some.
Evil and it's allies comes in various guises and forms. It recognizes no countrys boundries or time and place. If we had the wisdom and knowledge of the Angels we could recognize and fight that evil.
It would be convenient if "I" could choose what causes are convenient or popular at the time and opt to either participate or not. Someone else's cause may be popular but it is not popular with me, so I will opt out. When I was born, God did not give me a written guarente that my life would be free of conflict and so, I must meet every challange day by day and choose to act or not act.
Pre WW2 America was given a challenge and failed miserably. A shipload of refugees seeking assylum were denied permission to land on American soil and therefore were returned to their port of origin and suffered under a regime of intolerance. America and other nations lost on that incident.
In a way I have to agree with Charles. Germany did not attack the U.S. and if we had let Japan do what it wanted in the Pacific, Pearl Harbor may not have occured. Prior to our entry into WW2; it was American Destroyers that were escorting English Merchant convoys across the Atlantic and warding off the U-Boats. If positions were reversed and it was Americans that were being fired upon , we would have fired back too. History is history and all sides should learn from mistakes rather than forget them.
Mankind has one common enemy and that is "Evil", it comes at us in all different sizes, shapes, forms and times.

For all the things I should have said but did not say and all the things I should have done but did not do: God please forgive me. All I say and do today I offer as my prayer.

[leni]

Nice speech but it wont stop WW3 which will happen soon.