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Post by pieter on Jul 22, 2007 6:30:26 GMT -7
Dahlia Wasfi at Iraq Forum
Dr. Dahlia Wasfi was born to a Jewish mother and an Iraqi father. She recently put her medical career on hold to visit with family members in Iraq, and recently returned from a three-month stay in Basrah and Baghdad. Dr. Wasfi described her experience in Iraq and discussed the life of Iraqis under occupation on April 27, 2006 in Washington, DC
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Post by kaima on Jul 23, 2007 1:15:56 GMT -7
I haven't seen teh video yet, I ahve to visit a local wifi area, but found an article in Time newsmagazine about the problems the US is having trying to maintain this small war. I wonder what happened to our vaunted plans for two wars in two theatres ... Bush has sure shown that a wild militia in Iraq can bring #1 ego-power to its knees. Freedom is not free and stupidity costs even more blood and treasure. "Even as there's talk inside the Pentagon of extending the troop surge in Iraq well into 2008, the U.S. military remains in a vise, crushed between the demands of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that have made recruiting more difficult. Right now, there are only two real ways to extend or even increase the surge: call up more reservists — always tough to do in an election year — or extend active-duty combat tours from the current morale-wrecking 15 months to an even more painful 18 months." much more at www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1645734,00.html?cnn=yes Pieter, I will offer the courtesy of a comment to your posting when I have seen the video.
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Post by rdywenur on Jul 23, 2007 4:01:22 GMT -7
Pieter ....I totaly agree with what she said. Being there has not shown any differences other than raising the death counts. They do not want us there. We do not wish to be there. Only Bush does. Nothing anyone says is going to make me feel differently about this either. If something is wrong it is wrong.
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Post by leslie on Jul 23, 2007 7:38:13 GMT -7
You have a lot of people in the UK with the same views and with the same government reactions 'We will stay there until the job is finished' - they don't add that this could be the year 3999!
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Post by bescheid on Jul 23, 2007 7:43:41 GMT -7
pieter I am at a cross road as to if, or how, I should respond to this presentation, for you are my friend and I do not wish to be negative. But, it would not be truthful to be silent, for silence is absence of speaking out, is consent. My equipment will not so well, pick up on the {youtube} as with out knowledge of this lady, a quick Internet back ground check disclosed of her general back ground and currant status. Dr. Dahlia Wasfi, although born in Iraq, is an American Activist. She currently is active in protest of American troops in Iraq, but, also simular for {Haiti and Afghanistan}. Generally speaking, activist will go from active protest, to another agenda of protest, to another and so on. Activist produce nothing, they give nothing, they have no answer or solution to offer, but to protest, for this is their business. For these people are self serving and care only for the next project to become involved with. They receive funding from out side sources financing both their expenses and their personal income. They will use for personal gain, any resource, name playing and/or personal title as a prospective to gain attention and legitimacy. All activist have a face, and she is no different. These people are well documented in Germany whilst active, both with photography and at scene documentation. Once they are identified, they are then placed into computer records for tracking. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahlia_Wasfi#Personal_lifeHer family of her mother is Ashkenzai. www.somethingjewish.co.uk/judaism_guide/ashkenazi_jews/index.htmFor the above, is the best I may offer as friendly information for forum use. I think perhaps you understand my personal position. Mit bestem Gruß Charles
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Post by kaima on Jul 25, 2007 3:23:14 GMT -7
Well,
America has its fake 'Patriot Act' whereby we gave up our freedoms for a false sense of security, and here we are with phase two - proof that this law does nothing but grant propagandize our own people while limiting our freedoms. It certainly does not increase our safety!
evidently this great law is not sufficient to clarify strange happenings in US airports ... from Fox News & NBC: The four seizures were described this way:
— San Diego, July 7. A U.S. person — either a citizen or a foreigner legally here — checked baggage containing two ice packs covered in duct tape. The ice packs had clay inside them rather than the normal blue gel.
— Milwaukee, June 4. A U.S. person's carryon baggage contained wire coil wrapped around a possible initiator, an electrical switch, batteries, three tubes and two blocks of cheese. The bulletin said block cheese has a consistency similar to some explosives.
— Houston, Nov. 8, 2006. A U.S. person's checked baggage contained a plastic bag with a 9-volt battery, wires, a block of brown clay-like minerals and pipes.
— Baltimore, Sept. 16, 2006. A couple's checked baggage contained a plastic bag with a block of processed cheese taped to another plastic bag holding a cellular phone charger.
Now if these very strange happenings did not supply reason to hold someone for clarification of these strange collections, what did we give up our freedoms for, so Bush can advance his Big Brother program?
I am still waiting for the first woman with C-4 explosive implants in her bust instead of liquid silicon... what will security do with that?
Kai
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Post by bescheid on Jul 25, 2007 8:49:59 GMT -7
I do agree with Kai, some or some one{s} are playing some games with the US security system. It is with considerable hope, the discovery persons were professional enough to preserve the evidence against contamination, for later forensics processing for evidence. Then once completed {finger print, hair, clothing particles, and what ever is recovered} will be used for tracking.
The comment of Kai of a bomber lady with C-4 explosive implants in her bust, is probably not that unconventional. The body skin most likely will conceal from guard dogs and electronic explosive detectors, the explosives hidden within her body enhancement.
Probably should not describe this, but, for why not. Two weeks previous, some photos of a successful detonation bomber came across my computer screen. The fellow was the usual Middle East type, walked into through a bus waiting crowd in Israel, and detonated his chest wrapped explosives.
His partial remains were still in place of his original location. The head and part of a shoulder were intact upon the remains of his neck. One intact leg was a few meters from his remains. The remainder of his body was blown out in all directions. Upon his face, was the calm of death.
The photo was marked {unfit for public display}.
My sensitivities are little different then most folks {except when working}, but, this was very graphic, and as such, should be highly publicized and photos sent to the parents and relatives.
{For this is what your sons and daughters appear after they place them selves as human bombs and are wasted for nothing. For nothing but the curious to look at and take photographs such as these. The remains have been incinerated for health concerns.}
{ Is Arab payment money worth your loss?}
The above is graphic propaganda, but it is actual and real. The public really should not be lied to, by the convenience of silence. But, know the truth from the media that serves them.
Charles
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Post by rdywenur on Jul 25, 2007 15:43:02 GMT -7
Charles...you need to post a warning like a movie rating on your posts. I was just about to have dinner but now seems I lost my appertite.
CC
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Post by bescheid on Jul 25, 2007 18:10:26 GMT -7
Charles...you need to post a warning like a movie rating on your posts. I was just about to have dinner but now seems I lost my appertite. CC I am sorry Chris for perhaps I should not of presented the post in question. perhaps I for get much too often of my lack of sensitivity in such matters. Tell me truth, should I remove the post? Charles
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Post by hollister on Jul 26, 2007 6:01:28 GMT -7
Charles and Chris, You have hit on a point that we often tiptoe around but do not confront directly. Why do we insulate ourselves from the horrors of war? Obviously because it is unpleasant and difficult to think about - but, when we are, as a nation, in a war or police action or peace keeping action, or what ever we call it when we send soldiers out to kill in our name and ideals, shouldn't we remind ourselves daily exactly what the human cost of being there is? We should be seeing the coffins coming home to the States daily - it shouldn't be hidden. We should have access to pictures such as the one Charles mentioned to remind us that it hurts and offends us - and thus be motivated to stop such actions and demand that our elected officials do what is necessary to ensure that sending soldiers into such situations is no longer necessary. I do think there are times when military actions are necessary (understanding that people are going to be killed - both the guilty and the innocent) so do not think that I have my head in the clouds about this one. I just think we have insulated ourselves so much from the reality of what war means - we think of it as something that other people do and other people bear the cost of that decision.
Really, what have we as a society/nation really paid for in Iraq? Do we have food shortages? Gas shortages? Are our children being forced to go (yes, I am talking about a draft)? Yes, we are paying more - but we still have access to money to pay for those things so I count that as an inconvenience not as as a true cost. I also think because we have not HAD to pay theses costs we haven't been as forceful as we could be about making our elected officials do something about getting out of Iraq or throwing total support behind the effort. We still allow ourselves to shift the blame to someone else to do something.
Also, in reality even if we passed some type of legislation about removing our troops today - it would still take at least a year to get the troops out. You can not just bring it helicopters and load troops on to them and fly out - there is a lot of infrastructure on the ground ( both people and equipment) that can not be left unprotected.
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Post by bescheid on Jul 26, 2007 8:19:03 GMT -7
Holly
Your post description of the currant reality of the war, is very impressive... For any war is not pleasant, for that is the nature of war. For the military, how ever strong, relies upon civilian authority for direction and purpose. But, also, given confidence and backing by the public for which purpose, the military represents. Confidence is very similar in action as {water}for it flows down hill from the top, to the bottom.
As a military family, your prospective is real and actual. For you know all to well the consequences of any action. But, as you have brought forward, in the house whole of many civilians, this reality is unknown. And for this, they {civilian} must rely upon their news media for this information.
Unfortunately, and I suspect primarily in the North Americas, civilian leadership do not trust the intellect of the civilian population, and insure censorship of information not conductive to further expansion of a given programme {in this case, The War in Iraq}.
As you have brought forward, the incredible complication of the action of withdrawal of an army out of a contested arena. With necessary use of a picked units to form a rear guard action. With this, then dismantle of a built up military infrastructure as the foundation of support to the existing fielded military fighting force.
By necessity, a time table must be set for unit by unit dismantle and transport out must be determined and placed into motion. It is of the absolute, that within the withdrawal action, the enemy must not be given courage to step up an increase in attacks, but, in this stead, be faced by an increase of fire power with out remorse by rear guard action.
As within the withdrawal action, much of the support equipment, supplies and weapons not readily transported, must by necessity, be destroyed beyond usefulness to the advancing enemy. This would mean by design, systematic destruction of transport infrastructure {bridges, road way of hard surface construction/food supplies/communications/any system to be used by the enemy for support and advancement of their forces}.
An argument of fact will of course be advanced by individuals representing the affairs and concerns of the welfare, safety of the Iraqi civilians, with the resulting effects of this rear guard action.
But, it should be remembered, these terrorist individuals as named by people of the west, are freedom fighters to the people of this region. And as such, the fighters must by necessity, need and are given support by the local populations for their existence. This to fight a common enemy that has invaded their land and have for these many years, held them in captivity by reason of occupation.
To defeat your enemy, their mind, must be your mind. Then the weaknesses of your enemy become apparent. To then defeat this enemy, it is imperative to avoid at all cost, their strengths, and concentrate with full fury upon their weakness.
For what is War? Or Absolute and Complete War?
As from the war manual written by {Carl von Clausewitz}.
{The Plan of The War Comprehends The whole Military Act}
For this is real and actual. It means not the solder hates the enemy, for destruction of the enemy is by design and means to be carried out in an efficient manner.
Charles
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Post by pieter on Aug 18, 2007 2:53:30 GMT -7
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Post by hollister on Aug 19, 2007 8:45:59 GMT -7
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Post by hollister on Aug 19, 2007 13:28:53 GMT -7
I hate to repeat myself --- but I really think this article is important . Compare this to Kai's article pointing out how the Military is broken.
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Post by Jaga on Aug 19, 2007 15:45:19 GMT -7
Holly,
I saw your link yesterday and I was planning to read it carefully through today... thanks for repeating. Idaho is one of the regions of America which contributes more soldiers than the general population here.
I just talked to the neighbor today. She participated in a funeral of one of the soldiers who died, just this Friday. He was 23.
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