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Post by Pawian on Jan 17, 2007 2:19:51 GMT -7
How about Mickey Mouse, Minnie Mouse, Mighty Mouse, Stuart Little, and Ralph J. Mouse? Yes, of course. We have a little problem with Stuart Little, though. He suffers from some disorder with identity, he thinks he isn`t a mouse, and makes other mice call him Snowbell. Strange, isn`t it? And he isn`t white at all!! I must take him to a pet loony doctor.
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Post by Pawian on Jan 17, 2007 2:21:58 GMT -7
I am stupid with concerns of mice. Oh well, it was a try :'{ Well I do not know any thing about mice } Charles Do you know more about this? ?
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Post by jeanne on Jan 17, 2007 4:19:15 GMT -7
In the US we have similar structures on playgrounds for children to climb through. Either that or they're giant binoculars!
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Post by bescheid on Jan 17, 2007 8:39:54 GMT -7
Where are you locating this things pawian? your resourceful imagination knows little of boundaries Not sure as the photo subject matter appears to be incomplete as depicted. My guess would be that of a rear twin gas turbine aircraft engine assembly. The upper flat plate astride the twin tail pipes appears to be the backing plate to a landing braking chute. Configuration would be normally installed in high preformance light weight aircraft. The inner lower rib assemblies appear to be inner hot start fuel accumulators. If so, the engine is incomplete lacking the final assembly of the iris high temperature variable exhaust ends. Charles
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Post by Pawian on Jan 17, 2007 10:19:31 GMT -7
My guess would be that of a rear twin gas turbine aircraft engine assembly. The upper flat plate astride the twin tail pipes appears to be the backing plate to a landing braking chute. Configuration would be normally installed in high preformance light weight aircraft. The inner lower rib assemblies appear to be inner hot start fuel accumulators. If so, the engine is incomplete lacking the final assembly of the iris high temperature variable exhaust ends. Charles yes, yes, yes!!!!! I knew you would guess it!!! I always believed in you!!!! You had a rear, now front. Can you guess the plane`s make and model? Sorry for the sun reflex but I couldn`t move the plane.
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Post by Pawian on Jan 17, 2007 12:49:06 GMT -7
Because it might be too difficult, I will add two more pics:
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Post by bescheid on Jan 17, 2007 14:35:38 GMT -7
Because it might be too difficult, I will add two more pics: Gollies pawian, you are a hard task master The photos were very good, it is just difficult as there are several international aircraft types of this configuration. I was initially thinking only that of Poland and transitional Russian aircraft. Two types come to mind, one is Russian of a similar configuration, and another of American configuration manufactured by Lockheed Martin. My wild guess would be the T-38 Talon/F-5 freedom fighter. The F-5 was a very very formidable air weapon. Light weight/high power and fast. They were armed with two 20 MM cannon mounted internally on the front upper forward section of the nose fuselage forward of the pilots cabin at 80 % above centre line. This is in contrast to Russian designers favouring slower fire rate of 37 MM auto cannon with heavier destructive projectiles. Interesting Now how should I save my self in the situation of wrong answer? Should I initiate auto ejection sequencer, kiss my butt good bye for a hopeful successful ejection with only minor spine injuries? Then face a post accident/pilot error investigation team, with the intent to find fault with the human factor; as mechanical mal-function would not have been located. I am surprised you had not used the excellent TS-11 Iskra, but, it is a single engined configuration. Charles www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/t-38-pics.htm
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Post by Pawian on Jan 18, 2007 2:10:27 GMT -7
My wild guess would be the T-38 Talon/F-5 freedom fighter. The F-5 was a very very formidable air weapon. Light weight/high power and fast. They were armed with two 20 MM cannon mounted internally on the front upper forward section of the nose fuselage forward of the pilots cabin at 80 % above centre line. Very good. This is a Freedom Fighter. It is in the museum of Avionautics and Astronautics in Krakow. We go there twice of three times a year. One day I will put the photos from our trips on my Net gallery. But now you must be satisfied with these sites. www.muzeumlotnictwa.pl/lotnictwo.net/galselect.php?p=0&ui=379&mi=52&quer=1=1&ti=150&selectby=fotoID%20DESC&wpis=PS. Did you pay attention to the signs on it? They were repainted a few times, and you can still see the old signs under the ones added later.
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Post by bescheid on Jan 18, 2007 9:29:09 GMT -7
My wild guess would be the T-38 Talon/F-5 freedom fighter. The F-5 was a very very formidable air weapon. Light weight/high power and fast. They were armed with two 20 MM cannon mounted internally on the front upper forward section of the nose fuselage forward of the pilots cabin at 80 % above centre line. Very good. This is a Freedom Fighter. It is in the museum of Avionautics and Astronautics in Krakow. We go there twice of three times a year. One day I will put the photos from our trips on my Net gallery. But now you must be satisfied with these sites. www.muzeumlotnictwa.pl/lotnictwo.net/galselect.php?p=0&ui=379&mi=52&quer=1=1&ti=150&selectby=fotoID%20DESC&wpis=PS. Did you pay attention to the signs on it? They were repainted a few times, and you can still see the old signs under the ones added later. Yes Pawian, I had noticed the markings. It appears the weapon has been well used by different owners. With out first hand inspection, it is difficult to ascertain the exact markings through the paint overs. Many situations required the total removal of original paint for the new application to be applied. It is a weight consideration. The url of the air museum was very interesting Pawian. It was a pleasure to view the various exhibits. I noticed a some what rare LIM 2 trainer {MIG 15} and some familiar aireo engines. Some thing you are with out doubt of knowledge. Polish built aircraft such as the MIG family are very well respected for the high quality of build. Especially the cold war years with the LIM 5 {MIG 17} noticeable by the sickle main wing between the fuselage {hull} and the first wing strake {air dam preventing wing wash}{wing wash common cause of air accidents with loss of lift suffered by one wing}, for these were very well respected high performance air weapons in their time. Charles
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Post by Pawian on Jan 19, 2007 14:09:14 GMT -7
Yes Pawian, I had noticed the markings. It appears the weapon has been well used by different owners. The first owner was the USA Air Force. There is a proper inscription. The plane was presented/sold to the South Vietnamese, the traces of dim blue paint prove it. Later, the plane was taken by North Vietnamese in 1975, the yellow markings show it. In 1977/8 it was sent to Poland for the adoption of weapon systems compatible with Warsaw pact standards. Polish experts and engineers looked through the plane thoroughly. In 1992, F-5 together with a second plane, Dragonfly, were moved to the Museum. lotnictwo.net/foto.php?id=106725There are more interesting planes, e.g., the Nazi booty. They are mostly WW1 or even earlier planes, some of them unique on the world scale. Polish troops found them in 1945 on the territory of Poland. They have been renovated and put in a special hangar for display. Today Germans strongly demand to receive them back, Poles refuse. And that`s correct. For all losses that Nazis inflicted on Poland during WW2, let these planes be a little compensation. What do you think? A record plane from the 1936 Olympics in Berlin. lotnictwo.net/pic/0603/0603110034.jpg
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Post by Pawian on Jan 19, 2007 14:42:18 GMT -7
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Post by bescheid on Jan 19, 2007 16:09:14 GMT -7
Yes Pawian, I had noticed the markings. It appears the weapon has been well used by different owners. The first owner was the USA Air Force. There is a proper inscription. The plane was presented/sold to the South Vietnamese, the traces of dim blue paint prove it. Later, the plane was taken by North Vietnamese in 1975, the yellow markings show it. In 1977/8 it was sent to Poland for the adoption of weapon systems compatible with Warsaw pact standards. Polish experts and engineers looked through the plane thoroughly. In 1992, F-5 together with a second plane, Dragonfly, were moved to the Museum. lotnictwo.net/foto.php?id=106725There are more interesting planes, e.g., the Nazi booty. They are mostly WW1 or even earlier planes, some of them unique on the world scale. Polish troops found them in 1945 on the territory of Poland. They have been renovated and put in a special hangar for display. Today Germans strongly demand to receive them back, Poles refuse. And that`s correct. For all losses that Nazis inflicted on Poland during WW2, let these planes be a little compensation. What do you think? A record plane from the 1936 Olympics in Berlin. lotnictwo.net/pic/0603/0603110034.jpgThat was interesting on the history of the F-5 freedom fighter, thank you for expanding upon it... The record plane of 1936 Olympics. I have little idea how the museum acquired that example. That is an aircraft in the sense of the word, but, then not exactly. That example is a Focke-Archgelis Helicopter. It is missing a great many parts. This was derived from the absolute original as {Fa 223 Drache} to the as presented {L.G. 61} reconfigured as presently known {V-1 D-EBVU}. Hannah Reitsch presented it on a demonstration flight. I do agree with you on war booty recovered in Poland. For why not. It is understandable though, that all means of recovery would be pursued by The Federal German Government for some of these aircraft motors. It means little to folks on a public forum or for that matter to those not in the industry. The secrets of manufacture has the possibility of being discovered by an industrial engineer with the knowledge of what to look for. For these processes of manufacture as still held as an industrial secret by Daimler Benz and protected by patent rights. Patent rights are only valid up to a set point in time, and must be re-newed. But, this is the problem, whilst in the process of renewal of the patent rights, then the process is then discovered. As an example: Metallurgy. A casting has the properties of differences in density of grain. The closer to the surface of the casting, generally, the finer the grain. And as so, a better bearing surface. In the case of a forging {exampled by the cranking shaft of the DB 600 series motors} the Assembly is forged first, an undisclosed initial heat treatment applied, unit machined and drilled for lubricating access oil galleys, unit center machined for access of central aligned kannon barrel. Secondary heat treatment applied. Unit then ungoes finale machining process then completed heat treatment applied. The many unknowns of present manufacturing technology is only just a few: Lubrication. With the extreme heat generated by a sustained firing of the central cannon in combat, at full emergency power. The engine must maintain heat dissipation from combustion heat, that of friction heat on the bear journals with air induction heat generated by the turbine force. The lubrication system must absorb this heat, carry it to a heat exchange unit, and still maintain lubrication efficiency with out thinning out and exposing bearing surfaces. All of this with manufacturing tolerances so close for even in a well worn motor, that todays technology would find this unacceptable in standard of today. And to manufacture this type of technology as consistent as was normal war time bases. For this is why all war time equipment is sought after by the government. The secrets of manufacture is too important to let be known. The Junkers as shown of #211 was an excellent high power for weight aerial engine, but always held as number 2 behind the DB 600 series motors as were available. Charles
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Post by rdywenur on Jan 19, 2007 16:18:00 GMT -7
It looks like an angel all lit up blowing a trumpet
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Post by jeanne on Jan 19, 2007 18:25:40 GMT -7
I have to agree with rdywenur. My mind sees an angel blowing a trumpet, but I have learned with Pawian's riddles that what you see is not always what is there.
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Post by Pawian on Jan 20, 2007 5:51:26 GMT -7
It looks like an angel all lit up blowing a trumpet Yes, very good. That is an example of display which you can`t see in the USA in a public place like crossroads, can you? A blow up. www.jerzyborow.republika.pl/varia/deko na rondzie/01.jpg[/img]
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