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Post by nancy on Jul 29, 2006 19:30:55 GMT -7
Jerzy,
good photos and vey interesting information - I will send this link to some of my genealogy email contacts.
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Post by Jaga on Jul 29, 2006 20:14:30 GMT -7
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Post by Jaga on Jul 29, 2006 20:16:37 GMT -7
The history and the photos about the place where so many Jewish people died is very sad and interesting. I will add a link to this site also. You are doing a great job!!! Please, correct the word into "cemeteries"
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Post by Pawian on Jul 30, 2006 7:34:33 GMT -7
The history and the photos about the place where so many Jewish people died is very sad and interesting. I will add a link to this site also. You are doing a great job!!! Please, correct the word into "cemeteries" You can download for the forum needs or give links, whatever. Thanks but is the correction necessary? hahahaha I saw this word spelled like I did, e.g. here www.vexen.co.uk/photos/highgate.htmlMine is not as bad as Stephen King`s spelling, I think it was Pet Cematary. PS. Today we again visited the Archeological Museum, I am moving the photos on the computer, they are amazing. I am going to make another subpage...
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Post by leslie on Jul 30, 2006 9:06:57 GMT -7
From a UK, pedantic expert on the English language, Jaga is quite correct - there is only one way to spell the word in question and that is with three 'e's - cemetery. Well done Jaga! Leslie
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Post by Jaga on Jul 30, 2006 14:10:59 GMT -7
leslie, thanks Jerzy, you are doing really a great job, with my correction I just want to save your time in case other people would correct you in the future. I would love to post at least some of the pictures of the market square musicians: www.republika.pl/jerzyb/music/music.htmas for the links from your main site - you need to add your beautiful Rekawka celebration. You can also link to your work posted in our site
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Post by Jaga on Jul 30, 2006 15:55:48 GMT -7
Pawian, I hope you did not change your mind... I loved the Krakow's market square musicians photos and commentary from your site and I added it: Krakow's Main Market Square Musicians - culture.polishsite.us/culture.polishsite.us/articles/art417.htmlI modified a bit some of the commentaries. In the future we just need to cross-link to each other instead of the copying articles back and forth (mainly me copying yoru articles. I hope that after Nancy would come back she would also add the article with the road chapels - with your, Piwo and others pictures
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Post by gardenmoma on Jul 30, 2006 16:11:32 GMT -7
Very good photos; very sad and moving, however. I am very happy that you are taking so many pictures and are willing to share with us ;D GM
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Post by Pawian on Jul 30, 2006 16:20:33 GMT -7
Pawian, I hope you did not change your mind... I loved the Krakow's market square musicians photos and commentary from your site and I added it: I modified a bit some of the commentaries. In the future we just need to cross-link to each other instead of the copying articles back and forth (mainly me copying yoru articles. I hope that after Nancy would come back she would also add the article with the road chapels - with your, Piwo and others pictures Change my mind about what? hahahaha It is funny to read another version of my text. Did Nancy help you correct it? How about the corrected sentence "The most visible and especially the best heard are the musicians." Personally I wouldn`t use "the" before musicians. hahahaha Leslie, what do you think? And one more, your commentary on the poor man playing in front of a poor townhouse is a bit far-fetched. This "poor townhouse" is in Grodzka Street, on the so-called Royal Route which leads to Wawel Castle. It is so shabby because, well, not all buildings in the Old Town have had the chance to get refreshed....
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Post by hollister on Jul 30, 2006 17:01:45 GMT -7
Pawian, I always look forward to your continuing adventures! Thank you so much.
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Post by Jaga on Jul 30, 2006 17:42:17 GMT -7
Jerzy,
thanks for looking over the article. Let just see other's people comments before I change it.
This poor house with poor man - just magnify the effect - frequently used in American propaganda, but you are right, maybe this is too strong.
No, I did it myself, but my English is not perfect
thanks for letting me use it!
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Post by Pawian on Jul 31, 2006 0:45:19 GMT -7
It is also sad that before 2005 visitors to the forest were totally unaware of the Jewish tragedy. At last the plaques were put up to let people know. More or less the same can be said about general awareness of Poles about Holocaust - people know that millions of Jews perished during WW2 but when it comes to details, then almost all Poles claim that it was Polish prisoners who died in Auschwitz..... But there is still a mystery about the place. Who paid for putting up the plaques? It is usually written on such memorials whose intention it was to honour the dead people. The plaques bear no info about it. Was is local people who still remember the massacre? The local authorities` initiative? Jewish?
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Post by pieter on Jul 31, 2006 15:44:50 GMT -7
It is also sad that before 2005 visitors to the forest were totally unaware of the Jewish tragedy. At last the plaques were put up to let people know. More or less the same can be said about general awareness of Poles about Holocaust - people know that millions of Jews perished during WW2 but when it comes to details, then almost all Poles claim that it was Polish prisoners who died in Auschwitz..... But there is still a mystery about the place. Who paid for putting up the plaques? It is usually written on such memorials whose intention it was to honour the dead people. The plaques bear no info about it. Was is local people who still remember the massacre? The local authorities` initiative? Jewish? Pawian, The first prisoners who died in Auschwitz were actually Polish prisoners, and they were the first victims of Gas experiments and gaschaimbers. Later Jewish prisoners were brought in, and the number of jews murdered there was much larger than the Polish victims. But from the beginning to the end of Auschwitz there were Polish prisoners as well. Here the story of the Auschwitz-Birkenau museum; All over the world, Auschwitz has become a symbol of terror, genocide, and the Holocaust. It was established by the Nazis in the suburbs of the city of Oswiecim which, like other parts of Poland, was occupied by the Germans during the Second World War. The name of the city of Oswiecim was changed to Auschwitz, which became the name of the camp as well. June 14, 1940, when the first transport of Polish political prisoner deportees arrived in Auschwitz, is regarded as the date when it began to function.
Over the following years, the camp was expanded and consisted of three main parts: Auschwitz I, Auschwitz II-Birkenau, and Auschwitz III-Monowitz. It also had over 40 sub-camps. At first, Poles were imprisoned and died in the camp. Afterwards, Soviet prisoners of war, Gypsies, and prisoners of other nationalities were also incarcerated there. Beginning in 1942, the camp became the site of the greatest mass murder in the history of humanity, which was committed against the European Jews as part of Hitler's plan for the complete destruction of that people. The majority of the Jewish men, women and children deported to Auschwitz were sent to their deaths in the Birkenau gas chambers immediately after arrival. At the end of the war, in an effort to remove the traces of the crimes they had committed, the SS began dismantling and razing the gas chambers, crematoria, and other buildings, as well as burning documents.
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Post by pieter on Jul 31, 2006 15:45:45 GMT -7
The Number and Origins of the Victims
I. AUSCHWITZ - THE CONCENTRATION CAMP Auschwitz functioned throughout its existence as a concentration camp, and over time became the largest such Nazi camp. In the first period of the existence of the camp, it was primarily Poles who were sent here by the German occupation authorities. These were people regarded as particularly dangerous: the elite of the Polish people, their political, civic, and spiritual leaders, members of the intelligentsia, cultural and scientific figures, and also members of the resistance movement, officers, and so on. Over time, the Nazis also began to send groups of prisoners from other occupied countries to Auschwitz. Beginning in 1942, Jews whom the SS physicians classified as fit for labor were also registered in the camp.
From among all the people deported to Auschwitz, approximately 400,000 people were registered and placed in the camp and its sub-camps (200,000 Jews, more than 140,000 Poles, approximately 20,000 Gypsies from various countries, more than 10,000 Soviet prisoners of war, and more than 10,000 prisoners of other nationalities). Over 50% of the registered prisoners died as a result of starvation, labor that exceeded their physical capacity, the terror that raged in the camp, executions, the inhuman living conditions, disease and epidemics, punishment, torture, and criminal medical experiments.
II. AUSCHWITZ - THE EXTERMINATION CENTER Beginning in 1942, Auschwitz began to function in another way. It became the center of the mass destruction of the European Jews. The Nazis marked all the Jews living in Europe for total extermination, regardless of their age, sex, occupation, citizenship, or political views. They died only because they were Jews. After the selections conducted on the railroad platform, or ramp, newly arrived persons classified by the SS physicians as unfit for labor were sent to the gas chambers: the ill, the elderly, pregnant women, children. In most cases, 70-75% of each transport was sent to immediate death. These people were not entered in the camp records; that is, they received no serial numbers and were not registered. This is why it is possible only to estimate the total number of victims.
Historians estimate that among the people sent to Auschwitz there were at least 1,100,000 Jews from all the countries of occupied Europe, over 140,000 Poles (mostly political prisoners), approximately 20,000 Gypsies from several European countries, over 10,000 Soviet prisoners of war, and over ten thousand prisoners of other nationalities. The majority of the Jewish deportees died in the gas chambers immediately after arrival.
III. THE NUMBER OF VICTIMS The overall number of victims of Auschwitz in the years 1940-1945 is estimated at between 1,100,000 and 1,500,000 people. The majority of them, and above all the mass transports of Jews who arrived beginning in 1942, died in the gas chambers.
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Post by Pawian on Jul 31, 2006 16:12:02 GMT -7
The overall number of victims of Auschwitz in the years 1940-1945 is estimated at between 1,100,000 and 1,500,000 people. The majority of them, and above all the mass transports of Jews who arrived beginning in 1942, died in the gas chambers.Exactly. And imagine my surprise when in the beginning of 90s I learned the truth about Jewish Auschwitz. I had read books about the camp, novels and documentaries. The Jewish tragedy was ignored, the books focused on Polish patriots in Auschwitz. Most Poles thought like that....
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