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Post by Jaga on Feb 28, 2006 22:02:51 GMT -7
This is a picture done by a famous painter (who?) and it shows a Polish....
who knows?
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Post by Jaga on Feb 28, 2006 22:03:14 GMT -7
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Post by jimpres on Mar 1, 2006 8:02:07 GMT -7
Maybe Józefa Piłsudskiego.
Jim
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Post by jimpres on Mar 1, 2006 9:02:00 GMT -7
Or................ Brigadier General Count Casimir Pulaski
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Post by Jaga on Mar 1, 2006 9:58:04 GMT -7
no, the painter of this picture is a famous Rembrandt
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Post by rdywenur on Mar 1, 2006 15:00:16 GMT -7
Kopernicus? Is that an earring in his ear....famous pirate?  Polish Nobleman 1637 (but who) |
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Post by Yanc on Mar 2, 2006 4:47:52 GMT -7
My guess is: Andrzej Rej (or Rejowicz).
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Post by Jaga on Mar 2, 2006 9:50:33 GMT -7
What is a title of the picture? Does anybody know?
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Post by hollister on Mar 2, 2006 10:13:53 GMT -7
My guess ... "A Polish Nobleman" dated 1637
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Post by Jaga on Mar 2, 2006 10:17:58 GMT -7
Holly,
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Post by Jaga on Mar 2, 2006 10:19:13 GMT -7
By the way,
what it is so unsual about him? What was a typical dress of a Polish nobleman?
Maybe any of you know - who is on the picture? I donot know this answer
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Post by hollister on Mar 2, 2006 11:17:59 GMT -7
I finally won something!!!!
Another site (yes, I did research - sounds better than cheating) had the painting listed as "Man in Western Dress." As far as who - the best guess I saw was Jan Sobieski III
Assuming that it is Sobieski or the painting was a portrait of an actual person as he looked at the time the painting was done... I am not sure what the typical "Polish" dress for a noble man was at that particular time. Could you point tme to a resource? Oh wait ... isn't there an article on the main site about Polish Dress? I am off to go look.
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Post by Jaga on Mar 2, 2006 11:40:50 GMT -7
Holly,
from what I understand Polish noblemen were a bit unusual since their dresses are related to Eastern pattern. They did not dress like French or English noblemen. This guy may be a bit similar to Sobieski but I am not sure that is him. I actually posted my question in the "polish historian" forum and we will see whether we will learn anything about it.
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Post by Yanc on Mar 2, 2006 14:18:08 GMT -7
Jaga, there is a quote from one of internet sites:
"Najmłodszy z nich, Andrzej, został sekretarzem polskiego króla Władysł awa IV, a potem posłem tegoż króla w Niderlandach. To właśnie jego portret wykonał w roku 1637 sam mistrz Rembrandt. Portret ten, noszący tytuł „Mężczyzna w futrzanej czapce”, nadal pozostaje w rodzinie Rejów. Aktualnie znajduje się on w Stanach Zjednoczonych, w zbiorach rodzinnych."
I am not sure if this is the same picture, but in Rembrandt catalogue it is listed as Polish Nobleman, as mentioned in previous posts.
Since the man on the picture wears a fur hat, just like in quote, maybe this is the same.
And, look at reply #5 by Chris, which provided a correct answer for question you posted in reply #7. I believe credit should go to Chris.
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Post by jimpres on Mar 2, 2006 16:38:22 GMT -7
Life of a Polish Nobleman, circa 1651
Here are several court records documenting court cases in 1651. These
concerned Wincenty Slaski who lived near Krakow. He was born in Slasy
Leszcze (about 60 miles north of Warsaw). In 1618, he was sent by the
family to study at Krakow Academy, now Jagellonia University. After
completing his studies, the family sent him funds to purchase land in
the Krakow area. These court cases came from courts in the Krakow
area.
Wincenty Slaski was killed at the battle of Bereteczek. This battle
was fought when the Turks and the Cossacks (Ukrainians) joined forces.
King Jan Kazimierz led the Polish forces into battle. In 1651, his
youngest daughter Leonora was engaged to Michal Zrebicki. A premarital
agreement was made and recorded in the records of the court in the city
of Biecz. Prior to the wedding, Wincenty had to go to war with King
Jan Kazimierz. Wincenty sends Leonora for her safety to the Franciscan
nuns convent in Tarnow. Wincenty dies in the battle of Bereteczek.
Shortly after Wincenty?s death, Jerzy Lesniowski, who was a member of
the King?s court (he was a Miecznik-the King?s sword carrier), went to
the Franciscan convent with his friends and kidnapped Leonora. Jerzy
also attacked the village of Buchcice and held the villagers captive.
During this raid he captured Kasper Dabrowski who was Wincenty?s
stepson. As a ransom, Jerzy demanded that Wincenty?s widow Barbara
consent to !
having Jerzy marry Leonora. Barbara went to court with Wincenty?s
brother Kasper to protest his actions to the court. This court action
was held in the court of the city of Piotrkow and Piotrkow Lubelski.
On April 20, 1652, the court in Bielcz stated that both sides withdrew
their actions and they promised to obey the court?s verdict. Leonora
marries Jerzy in 1652. The next year there was a plague in this area
of Poland that ended in February. On February 02, 1653 there was a
Mass of Thanksgiving for the end of this plague. Barbara, together
with all of her servants and also with Jerzy?s mother Barbara
Lesniowska, attended this Mass in the parish church. While they were at
Mass, Jerzy together with his companions broke into the Slaski house
and farm buildings. They stole furniture, farm equipment and five
cows. Barbara went to the court in Biecz again and initiated a court
action against her son-in-law Jerzy. There were no further actions
recorded in the courts.
Jim
Source Herbarz
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