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Post by bescheid on Sept 20, 2007 9:39:40 GMT -7
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I have had no idea untill this moment of your family. Your tante Ana, your step-father, the photos, they are wonderful people! And you step father {Stiefvater} setted so proudly upon his military {Motorrad mit Beiwagen}. What an impressive photo! And his friends, they are so happy!
Thank you much for your sharing!
Charles
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Post by rdywenur on Sept 20, 2007 10:17:30 GMT -7
Thank you Charles. When I was posting the photo of my Aunt Ana I thought the priest reminded me of John Paul II....anyone else think so . Wouldn' that be something. But based on age of both I don't believe it would be a possiblity.
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Post by joyce on Sept 20, 2007 11:51:08 GMT -7
I would think it is better to have a photobucket account. www.photobucket.comit only takes about 5 minutes to st up an account which is free ======================================== okay...I am back I think I did this right...if not let me know... so many new things to learn...so little time...lol s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff296/fogface/Please let me know if you see both pictures. Joyce |
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Post by Pawian on Sept 20, 2007 11:59:21 GMT -7
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Post by joyce on Sept 21, 2007 2:53:36 GMT -7
Thank you Pawian for the help-really for posting the pictures here so everyone can see my great grandparents, who both come from Poland. My great grandmother-Malvina Hofman Natonek hails from Debe, Kalish was born 9/1872-4/1954. According to our family history book-not much was known about her other than her bore 2 children.
My great grandfather-Frank(z) Natonek-born in Zagorzany 6/1868-1/1948 was a harness and leather maker in NY, NY after they settled here in the states. They were married in 1902 in Kiev, Russia. The spelling of his first name is in question-for on their grave marker it is Frank but yet in other records it is Franz.. They came to NY on the USS Ethiopia on Dec. 8. 1906.
According to the ship's manifest they had Frank spelled as Franz and Malvina was Malvine. They also had their home country as Austria. It is suspected the confusion of the spelling of the names comes from the language differences.
Joyce
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Post by leslie on Sept 21, 2007 3:04:23 GMT -7
Sergeant William Rae (my father), Border Regiment in 1916 after winning Military Medal for valour in action. Small photo, my father after war, having had right leg badly destroyed (and some time in German prisoner of war camp), recuperating at home, having to lie in bed trolley.  After the war, my family - father, mother, sister Edna and me (about 6 years old- about 1936) Small photo , me on rear lawn - must be about 3 years old.  Photo of about 1860 of two members of my family - don't know who but I think the boy was either my great/grandfather or the girl (aged about 16) was my great/grandmother  I have two existing cousins - one aged 71 the other aged 92 and they too have no known photos of our families. It is so easy to lose track and wish you hadn't. Leslie |
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Post by rdywenur on Sept 21, 2007 4:27:02 GMT -7
Leslie and Joyce very nice photos. Each are so interesting too. They tell of other things if you study the backgrounds, clothing etc giving us insight to those years of the past.
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Post by leslie on Sept 21, 2007 7:03:36 GMT -7
Copies of copies of photos. My grandfather and grandmother Rae. Top two are of my grandfather John, born 1860, died 1930 (one on right is when he was older, but I don't know by how much); bottom one is of my grandmother Grace, born 1866, died 1907. Grandmother Grace and grandfather John married October 6 1890. He was a furnaceman in the local (Workington) Iron and Steel Works. They had 8 children (twins died soon after birth).  |
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Post by bescheid on Sept 21, 2007 12:24:40 GMT -7
Joyce
Thank you for sharing! It is so interesting to hear of the life of others...
Is it not some thing, through the life experiences of our fore bearers, their life choice and decisions, and the effect in much later time to us!
Charles
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Post by bescheid on Sept 21, 2007 12:30:38 GMT -7
Leslie
You have a very handsome family! Your father, he is so proud and handsome in his uniform, very brave considering the combat medals....I am sorry of his damaged leg.
Charles
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Post by Pawian on Sept 21, 2007 13:37:29 GMT -7
Thank you Pawian for the help-really for posting the pictures here so everyone can see my great grandparents, who both come from Poland. Now try to do the same trick!!! |
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Post by joyce on Sept 22, 2007 4:12:41 GMT -7
Joyce Thank you for sharing! It is so interesting to hear of the life of others... Is it not some thing, through the life experiences of our fore bearers, their life choice and decisions, and the effect in much later time to us! Charles Each are so interesting too. They tell of other things if you study the backgrounds, clothing etc giving us insight to those years of the past. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Upon reading our family's history and others pics & info-our ancestors had true hand crafted trades-meaning they really worked hard for their money. I have heard how rough it was to make ends meet and I am sure that money then was not wasted on frivolous things. I have an old letter, written in Polish which was translated into English. My gr. grandfather's nephew wrote the letter and asked that when gr. grandfather came back to Poland-that he give the nephew a couple thousand dollars to help him make ends meet. The nephew need the money to buy wood and food for his family. It is interesting in thinking that once someone was in America-the land of plenty-that money just flowed out your pockets. I don't think my gr. grandparents made that kind of money-where they had to scratch out a meager living themselves. My gr. grandfather never owned a car-even when cars were available to the masses. Because of his trade in leather work-he made leather roofs for cars. To ask for a thousand dollars back then was & still is alot of money today. I don't think my gr. grandfather ever had any intentions of returning to Poland. That's not said in a bad way, but maybe his life in Poland was not the greatest due to poverty and communism. I have read that my gr. grandmother did go back to Poland to visit her mother, but returned to the states. On her return trip, the ship's manifest document had a different first name and originating country than when she left. It makes me wonder why there were some many differences in the spellings of the names according to the manifests. Is it because the ship's staff couldn't take the time to make the documentation correct? Did they think it didn't matter back then? I think what our great grandparents had long ago was more stability in their lives. They had a family that could depend upon each other. Some families today are so scattered and broken apart-where youngsters don't want anything to do with their grandparents or parents for that matter. I was raised where family meant something-they were there for you thru thick n thin. Because of the hard economical times/cost of living in the early 1900's+, I wonder how all the women back then afforded their dresses. Did they sew their own dresses or were they inexpensive to buy them? And did all the ladies wear dresses all the time? Did they ever wear slacks and a blouse? Joyce |
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Post by leslie on Sept 22, 2007 6:04:08 GMT -7
Joyce
I am but a mere male, but I can give what I think is an educated guess about your questioning of whether women in the early 1900s wore slacks and a blouse. As far as I am aware, slacks/trousers were definitely the man's domain until WWII and it is that time that women were allowed to wear trousers (when their menfolk were away!). Slacks for women is both a positive and a negative thing - if a women has pretty, well-shaped legs, I am sure she would be proud of them (and so would observant men!!!), so slacks should be the last thing she wears. For others, slacks may be a good thing!!!!
I hope my comments do not upset you - if so, just ignore them!.
Leslie
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Post by leslie on Sept 22, 2007 6:13:31 GMT -7
Charles
Thank you for your kind comments about my family, particularly my father of whom I have been very proud. He received machine gun bullets in both legs - most in the right - when he was out in no-mans-land trying to retrieve a wounded soldier. He got him going on the right track to our trenches but then collapsed himself because of his leg wounds and was taken captive. I am sorry to say he was badly treated in the POW hospital - the treatment for his bullet wounds was the placing of paper bandages over them; that's all. Eventually he became so bad that he was repatriated before the end of the war as being unlikely to be a further combatant. This saved his leg to some extent but for the rest of his life he had to wear leg irons and a surgical boot. Such is war and I hope no further generations have to suffer it to these extents - this is why I am so against these ridiculous invasions by US/UK forces into Iraq and Iran, with little hope of ever achieving anything. And after all, these are independent nations themselves. Iraq was one big mistake based on lies. and Afghanistan could have been dealt with in other ways.
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Post by joyce on Sept 22, 2007 13:31:50 GMT -7
Joyce I am but a mere male, but I can give what I think is an educated guess about your questioning of whether women in the early 1900s wore slacks and a blouse. As far as I am aware, slacks/trousers were definitely the man's domain until WWII and it is that time that women were allowed to wear trousers (when their menfolk were away!). Slacks for women is both a positive and a negative thing - if a women has pretty, well-shaped legs, I am sure she would be proud of them (and so would observant men!!!), so slacks should be the last thing she wears. For others, slacks may be a good thing!!!! I hope my comments do not upset you - if so, just ignore them!. Leslie --------------------------------------------------------------------- Naw...your comments don't offend-everyone has a right to speak their minds. It helps to listen other people's thoughts sometimes. It makes one aware that one can't be so blind sighted like a horse with blinders with it's nose stuck in an oat bag. Joyce |
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