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Post by Jaga on Apr 19, 2008 20:08:00 GMT -7
I was watching today a film about a history of Russia. Russia has an interesting coat of arm - two eagles: But my question is about this coat of arm below: which country's coat of arm is it? hint: this country had very clos relationship with Poland
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Post by kaima on Apr 19, 2008 20:30:23 GMT -7
But my question is about this coat of arm below: which country's coat of arm is it? hint: this country had very clos relationship with Poland Jaga, I am betting that your source has the wrong coat of arms ... and that the should have that of the neighboring country, with the horse's tail up! Both are neighbors of Poland, and it seems they shared much between themselves as well as with Poles. Around 1993 they agreed on the symbol ... but with horse's tail up for one, and down for the other. Some official money and emblems had to be changed to comply with the order. Just a 50 - 50 bet on my part. Come on folks, what country(s) are we talking about? PS They both fielded armies to help defeat the Crusading Germans at Grunwald... (Tannenburg).
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Post by kaima on Apr 19, 2008 20:38:56 GMT -7
... Maybe I should not have made that bet. I always want to name that country with the horse's tail up, but rereading your question...
I wanted to buy a URAL motorcycle and drive it home after my job was done. I would have driven through both countries and Poland along the way.
Ahhh... beautiful lands!
Kai
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Post by tufta on Apr 20, 2008 1:27:08 GMT -7
Lithuania and Belarus.
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Post by rdywenur on Apr 20, 2008 3:33:24 GMT -7
I am going to say Lithuania.
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Post by kaima on Apr 20, 2008 7:05:45 GMT -7
[glow=red,2,300] CAUTION[/glow] But my question is about this coat of arm below: which country's coat of arm is it? hint: this country had very clos relationship with Poland
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Post by Jaga on Apr 20, 2008 7:39:09 GMT -7
Belarus was under Lithuanian rule, so I considered "Pogon" a Lithuanian coat of arm. Thanks all for good answers! I did not realize that the tail is sometimes up and sometimes down. But if you look here - we have sometimes a happy horse and sometimes uphappy horse: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_LithuaniaBy the way, anybody knows what does POGON mean?
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Post by kaima on Apr 20, 2008 8:43:40 GMT -7
It must be that pogon means vytis (thanks for the reference, Jaga. I could not find 'vytas' as I spelled it, incorrectly).
I was in Lithuania in 1993 when they came to an agreement with Belarus on the symbol, the Lithuanian horse's tail is up and the Belarus horse's tail gos down. Some of the coinage and even official stamps in the passports had to be changed or re-issued to comply. The two countries have such a long history together that both have legitimate claims to the symbol. Their union or close association predates the Polish-Lithuanian Union, and though the official written language appears to have been Rus, both groups referred to themselves as Lithuanian.
It would be interesting to have someone write up a concise history of that time and those relationships and post it here.
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Post by rdywenur on Apr 20, 2008 9:54:37 GMT -7
Pogon ............to chase (hunt, quest, pursue)
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Post by Jaga on Apr 20, 2008 18:57:04 GMT -7
I did not know that Lithuania has a tail up and Belarus down Kai and Chris, both of you are right, "Pogon" is the same as the Lithuanian "Vytis" or Belarussian "Pahonia". IN Polish this means "to chase", Belarussian is very similar to Polish word (Pahonia). I am not sure whether the same meaning is in Lithuanian. It can mean a part of the horse harness.
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