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Post by Charles1 on Nov 16, 2005 21:27:40 GMT -7
I wonder whether all this noise has any real grounds or this is just all allegations Europeans Probe Secret CIA Flights Questions Surround Possible Illegal Transfer of Terrorism Suspects By Craig Whitlock Washington Post Foreign Service Thursday, November 17, 2005; Page A22 BERLIN, Nov. 16 -- Several European governments have opened investigations into a fleet of CIA-operated airplanes that have crisscrossed the continent hundreds of times in recent years. The aim is to determine whether U.S. officials secretly used local airports and military bases to transfer terrorism suspects under conditions that violate local and international treaties. This week, officials in Spain, Sweden, Norway and in the European Parliament said they had either opened formal inquiries or demanded answers from U.S. officials about CIA flights, in response to growing public opposition in Europe to U.S. anti-terrorism tactics. From the Post CIA Holds Terror Suspects in Secret Prisons In other countries, criminal probes have deepened into the alleged kidnapping of terrorism suspects by the CIA. In Italy, prosecutors last week filed a formal extradition request for 22 U.S. citizens alleged to be CIA operatives who are charged with kidnapping a radical Muslim cleric in Milan in 2003 and flying him to his native Egypt, where he said he was tortured.
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Post by bescheid on Nov 17, 2005 10:39:59 GMT -7
An unfortunate situation, for unfortunate reasons. Below is an excerpt from a talk given by Mr. President Bush. It is lengthy and most likely would not be read in full by most, but, it is a partial description of what is necessary and for the reasoning behind some of the decisions. Another unfortunate situation is simply, time, distance and location. The middle east is not so far removed from Turkey, Turkey in the same token is not so far removed from the middle East. It would so seem, that under the currant and present situation in regards to safe travel routes, Eastern and Western Europe is it. Or, so it would respectfully seem usinfo.state.gov/is/Archive/2005/Nov/15-304756.htmlCharles
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Post by jimpres on Nov 17, 2005 11:03:04 GMT -7
The US is just trying to stop the terroists before they get to the American mainland like 911. I won't get into the politics but most Americans would rather fight the terroists in there own country (if they have one) then in the US. It is difficult to fight someone who is willing to commit sucide. And with the small amount of explosives needed to do distruciton it is tough to stop them.
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Post by Yanc on Nov 17, 2005 13:45:51 GMT -7
For what terrorists did in US and UK I would send a couple more of marine divisions overseas, to Middle East, equip them with tons of guns and simple orders: "Shoot on sight, show no mercy, take no prisoners. Good hunting."
Some of you may think it is not right, but I have no mercy over those b******s.
Yanc
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Post by jimpres on Nov 17, 2005 14:01:18 GMT -7
Yanc, Unfortunately here in the US it's not that easy we have many people that want to solve the issue with discussion. In the meantime they are killing people. I have a feeling those people would think different if it was happening here in the US. How many times have we heard the terroist leaders and the president of Iran say he wants to wipe out the Americans, Jews and infidels. So we continue to wage the war with a lot of criticism.
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Post by bescheid on Nov 17, 2005 14:50:35 GMT -7
Jim, Time is now going against their leadership and their change of tactics. More of late, they are increasing the use of women to carry out suicide attacks.
within this compartment of change, is more increasing death rates of Arab families as targets. It appears to be a gradual shift of general Arab opinion that these terrorist attacks are no longer the work of freedom fighters, but, more so just murder for no actual reason.
It would appear that, the best and most effective tool is: Public opinion within the Arab world. They (Arab) are to need to address this problem among them selves and get it sorted out.
Military action is overly cumbersome, IDF tactics are short lived solutions, and world opinion is against use of unconventional tactics in civilian areas.
Charles
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Post by jimpres on Nov 17, 2005 14:59:07 GMT -7
Charles,
I can't agree with you more, the Arab mullas need to speak out about the atrocities that the terroists are commiting to there own. And the people need to start ratting on the terroists. If they do not and permit this kind of action the terroism will continue.
And the speaking out by Arabs needs to be broadcast throught the world not just out side the Arab world.
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Post by bescheid on Nov 17, 2005 19:08:49 GMT -7
Jim The detention situation has for some time become more un-manageable in respect to the bleeding heart contagion in the ivory towers in DC. It would go as no surprise that the Cuban location centre will in time be regulated to throw away minor detainees. This should provide a red Herring so to speak for the political people to follow. It is becoming late, so, will just give a quick url on this tid bit. usinfo.state.gov/dhr/Archive/2005/Nov/09-990789.htmlIt is not so currant, but, provides enough to understand the shift of detainees to suddenly be airlifting around the world other then near or around the US power structure. Charles
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Post by jimpres on Nov 17, 2005 19:31:49 GMT -7
Charles,
Your right we will close Gitmo. And now those liberals want us to surrender and leave Iraq. I hope they don't come to my house for protection when the terrorists start shooting here.
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Post by nancy on Nov 17, 2005 19:45:15 GMT -7
But, Jim, would it not be better if the troops were here at home when/if the terrorists started shooting here?
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Post by jimpres on Nov 17, 2005 20:06:58 GMT -7
Yes, but if we can keep them off our shores it would be better. However, if they do start here the troops will come home ASAP. And we have about 2M 2nd ammendment believers here who are armed according to statistics. Plus we have a lot of people who have served and would serve again.
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Post by justjohn on Nov 18, 2005 4:21:26 GMT -7
Yes, but if we can keep them off our shores it would be better. However, if they do start here the troops will come home ASAP. And we have about 2M 2nd ammendment believers here who are armed according to statistics. Plus we have a lot of people who have served and would serve again. Jim, I have Yanc on one side of me and I now am inviting you on the other. Get ready to kick a - - first and take names later. Here is our latest weapon: www.defensetech.org/archives/001944.html
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Post by jimpres on Nov 18, 2005 7:39:18 GMT -7
No problem. Things are heating up in congress.
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Post by bescheid on Nov 18, 2005 11:35:29 GMT -7
John
Boy, that is some thing new! Should be very effective if provided in sufficiant numbers (you know, the bean counters).
Charles
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Post by Pawian on Nov 18, 2005 15:23:08 GMT -7
And we have about 2M 2nd ammendment believers here who are armed according to statistics. Plus we have a lot of people who have served and would serve again. Do you mean 2 million people who possess guns? In almost 300 million population of America, isn`t it a too low number? I always thought it is much higher.
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