Bob S
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Post by Bob S on Mar 3, 2006 15:16:51 GMT -7
Bob, Are you suggesting America wait until the Islamists have taken over another country like EU and then we get involved like in WWII? It's the unanserably question of how long do we wait to take action. i.e. if for example someone starts destroying and killing everone on your street/town how long should we reprimand them before we retaliate? Jim  Jim, I agree with you, I am on your side. Read my whole post at the bottom. Jim |
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Post by Bob S on Mar 3, 2006 15:20:35 GMT -7
;D Holli. Is the pot boiling yet? All this stirring tires me out. ;D
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Post by kaima on Mar 3, 2006 22:57:58 GMT -7
Liberal is what the fellow in the White House is with our economy. He ran us from surplus to record debt and it all promises a lower standard of living in the future, as well as more foreign influence on American politics - because foreign lenders will be pulling the strings, much as we used to pull thier strings...
Barry Goldwater must be spinning in his grave to see what is being done in the name of conservatism today! Strangely, it is the liberal who wants to retain his personal privacy and freedom, and the "liberal" in the White House who wants us to trade it in for "security" - with him in charge!
Freedom is not Free.
Kai the True Conservative
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Post by Jaga on Mar 3, 2006 23:47:26 GMT -7
+++Today's American Liberal is more defined to be like the National Socialist Party that ruled Germany from the middle 1930's to the middle of the 1940's. +++
Bob, you are dreaming. I do not understand there is any correlation between so called American liberals and Nazi party. LIberalism either European or America are far far away from totalitarian regimes.
I asked the question earlier - instead of talking how much money America spends on Yougslawia could you please bring some REAL statistics:
how many American soldiers died in Yugoslavia as compared to Iraq
how much money was spend to the war in Iraq as compared to Yugoslavia
Liberals and Nazi - I never heards this comparison, but I heard that a professor somewhere was comparing Bush to Nazi and he got fired
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Post by Jaga on Mar 4, 2006 0:09:31 GMT -7
Bob,
I am sorry but I cannot even believe that you could compare.... liberals to Nazi?!?
The only similarity between them is that... you hate them both! Totalitarian system and liberal systems are just the opposites!
Liberals are for - freedom in economy
tolerance
American liberals include also feminists, gays and all the minorities
In America for some strange reasons liberals are identified with Democrats who are actually not for freedom in economy but by government intervention
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Post by Jaga on Mar 4, 2006 0:10:27 GMT -7
Liberal is what the fellow in the White House is with our economy. He ran us from surplus to record debt and it all promises a lower standard of living in the future, as well as more foreign influence on American politics - because foreign lenders will be pulling the strings, much as we used to pull thier strings... Freedom is not Free. Kai the True Conservative Kai, I would say that Bush is not necessary a liberal but just non-conservative. Not every not-conservative is a liberal, although he is a liberal in the way that he is against big taxes and for free economy (or rather big business oriented economy) |
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Post by kaima on Mar 4, 2006 17:35:15 GMT -7
Jaga,
Some of the first people to populate Dacau were the liberal democrats of Germany; the nazis did not like them. Bob does not like them, and he twists and distorts like the nazis did back then. I would not worry about what he says. It is hard to imagine he is stupid, so I must assume he likes to jerk people's chains with his exaggerations and distortions. You give him a gratifying reaction. It is comparable to being in a bar and getting in an argument with a drunk - do you think you will win? Not likely. Let him rant on and point out the obvious wrongs, and get on with more important things in life. I do the same with Piwo on politics.
Kai
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Post by Jaga on Mar 4, 2006 17:44:17 GMT -7
Kai,
you know, this is exactly what I wanted to add today (but I did not want to make it more aggreviated) - that the common thing between Nazi and liberals was... that Nazi were killing liberals as first,
thanks for pointing this out
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Post by Jaga on Mar 6, 2006 12:42:30 GMT -7
Some extra statistics from Parade - about 1 mln Americans died in wars but 2.5 mln in car accidents.
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Bob S
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Post by Bob S on Mar 6, 2006 15:35:18 GMT -7
Jaga and Kai. The Liberal Christian Democrat Party in Germany was CONSERVATIVE. In "The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich" the Christian Liberal Party was described as the last Conservative party that could offer any resistenance to the National Socialist Party. I have read "The Rise and Fall Of The Third Reich" and with a few exceptions, the American Liberal of today and the National Socialist Party of Germany are very similar. I supported John F. Kennedy when he ran for and became President and today he would not be allowed to speak at a Democrat Convetion. JFK offered hope and great inspiration "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country". The Democrat of today offers only Doom and Gloom: Sorry, I reject that. JFK also cut taxes and the result was an increase in revenue.
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Post by george on Mar 6, 2006 17:19:46 GMT -7
"I supported John F. Kennedy when he ran for and became President and today he would not be allowed to speak at a Democrat Convetion. "
John Kennedy would not be allowed to speak at a democratic convention? The guy is a icon to the Democratic Party! You have to consider the times, issues were different 45 years ago, they can't be compared with todays issues. Would JFK be on line with todays Democrats? I would say no doubt. Just as his brother Robert would be. If you don't think JFK wouldn't be accepted at their convention, watch when one of his family members speaks at one of these conventions. They go nuts with excitment.
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Post by Jaga on Mar 6, 2006 19:35:21 GMT -7
Jaga and Kai. The Liberal Christian Democrat Party in Germany was CONSERVATIVE. Bob, I have no clue - so it was a liberal party or conservative. You use both names. What is in name is not necessary on the cover. But you agree with us that calling liberals Nazi is just ridiculous. I do not know whether Kennedy could speak or not at Democratic convention but this is Bush administration which limits the rights of individuals. But Bush is not really a conservative because he made deficite growth out of proportion. Do you really believe that America and the world would be the most happy with pres. Bush and Republican party as the only one in the USA without any opposition? |
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Post by kaima on Mar 6, 2006 22:09:53 GMT -7
Bob,
You shoud pull out your Schirer book again and take a second look. There are several "Democrat" parites in Germany. Generally if they have "Christian" in the name, they are conservative, as the CDU of Chancellor Kohl. The Bavarians have their own branch or closely related conservative party, and they call it "Social" as in "Christian Social Union".
I know from history, from having lived there, and from a good German friend who came from a good SDP family and was drafted in 1945 at 17 into Hitler's army. It was serve or die. He served and lived, but spent a few years learning French from farmers in France after the war before he returned home.
Current parties seem to be (from the web)
* Christian Democratic Union/Christian Social Union
* Social Democratic Party of Germany
* Free Democratic Party
* The Greens
* The Republikaner and the German People's Union
* Party of Democratic Socialism
Now the parties have changed a bit since the wall came down. Generally:
CSU/CDU - conservative
SDP - liberal
FDP - very liberal, perhaps former communists in Eastern Germany
Greens - environmental and anti-NATO
Republicans or Reps - regarded as the legal face of the neo-nazis
PDS - former communists, if I am right.
I was in Germany when theRepublicans formed, and the people were not at all happy about it but they crafted the party to be legal - Germany has some very strong anti-nazi laws. Most of their nazi crap is smuggled in from the USA.
So take another look at the old book, adn read a bit more on modern parties....
Kai the Old Conservative
Dump neo-conservative Bush and his Liberal go-for-broke spending!
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Bob S
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Post by Bob S on Mar 6, 2006 22:35:43 GMT -7
;D Jaga. I too was surprised with the name and I had to read the part over and over again but you are right: whats in a name. I do not support everything the Bush administration or Congress has done or failed to do and remember what I said in another post (Forgive me for all the things I should have said but did not say; forgive me for all the things I should have done but did not do). After reading the "Rise And Fall of the Third Reich" the similarties are eerie. Do away with God in Schools, teach Pseudo-Science, keep the younger generation ignorant, make everyone dependent on the Government for all their needs, ridicule individualism, shout down the views of others, etc. etc. etc. The history is there and it cannot be erased or changed to fit the feelings of others.
Can you see a Democrat Presidential Candate today proposing Tax Cuts, School Vouchers, individualism and less government interference? I still say that JFK would not be allowed to say anything at a Democrat Convention today. A strong 3rd Party would be even better than the 2 parties we have today. Wouldn't that be fun? LOL ;D p.s. Is the pot stirred enough?
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Post by Bob S on Mar 6, 2006 22:47:30 GMT -7
;D Kai. I was not refering to present day Germany and Parties. I was refering to Germany and parties that existed from about 1926 to about 1933. There is a big difference. LOL ;D
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Jim, I agree with you, I am on your side. Read my whole post at the bottom. 
