Post by pieter on Dec 20, 2009 14:25:34 GMT -7
You have five ways of speaking Polish and each of these five Polish versions have subforms? You have Malopolska srodkowa in the South and Pomorsze in the North-West for instance, Podlosie in the far east and Lubuska in the West. And these are the larger dialect tribes?
Do you also have border dialects or influences like German accent infleunce in Poznan (pyry poznanski), or Bohemain or German influence in Wroclaw or Szczecin, Slowak influence on the Gorale people and Ukrainian and Lithuanian influence in the South-East and the North-east?
Pieter
No border dialects that I am aware of, although yes people of the East speak in a more gentle way. There are many dialects of Polish but only five ways of speaking. I, Tufta, easily recognize and am capable to name the orgin of the speaker. ;D
Tufta,
Likewise me with Dutch, I can understand most Dutch regional languages and dialects, Frisian, the Dutch Low German (Saxon) varieties of Gronings, Drèents (Drents), Tweants (Dutch: Twents) and Achterhooks (Dutch: Achterhoeks), the Southern Soft-G dialects Limburgish and Brabants and ofcourse Zeelandish.
But there are some very strange local dialects I can't understand, because they are more foreign (German) than Dutch. And even Germans or Belgians would have difficulties with understanding them. They are so to speak autonomous dialects inbetween Dutch and German, but in the same time totally differant then general Dutch and German. Like the Limburgisch border dialect of the town Kerkrade and it's surrounding villages. The Kerkraade Dialect (Kirchröadsjer Plat in that dialect) is an example of that. In the same time you have some very heavy local dialects in other parts of the country that I would have great difficulty in understanding. In Flanders I can understand general Flanders, be cause it is mainly Dutch, but some West-Flamish and East-Flamish dialects are so local and heavy that I can't understand these people either. That's the funny thing that I can understand German better than the German sounding dialect of Kerkrade:
About Kerkraads dialect in Dutch, to show you the differance, the vertical lines to the left are Dutch sentences andwords and to the right in Kirchröadsjer Plat dialect; www.mijnwoordenboek.nl/regio/Kerkraads
Coat of arms of Kerkrade (which clearly shows the
Roman-catholic past and clerical power in that
region of the Netherlands)
Tuftabis, if Poland was traditionally extremely decentralized, that must have created strong regional authonomy and regional influences. That does not necasserely mean that is expressed in a differant language or dialect, but one can have regional differance that can be connected to the character of the region and for instance the influence of the landscape, local economical development and the administrative ruling centres. Yes, totalitarian state doesn't like decentralization, so communism was good for Polish unity and centralism! ;D And the creation of the local "Homo Sovjeticus Polonis". Back to being serious. With coming back to normal you mean strong regional government again and decentralisation? Regions that are less dependent on Warsaw and more authonomous? Yes, Holland has rediculous many dialects if you take her size which is roughly the size of a Polish region or province with just 3 or four dialects there! There are more Polish dialects then I thought there would be. Your map surely demonstrates the complexity of local versions of Polish. And the variety! So the only five different ways of speaking Polish are the (1) Mazowiecki, (2) Malopolski, (3) Slaski, (4) Wielkopolski and (5) Kresowy. Is there a general accepted Polish which is the norm, and what is the role of these 5 different ways of speaking Polish in a general way? Does most Poles speak General (civilized) Polish or one of these 5 versians of Polish?
Jrus (dialect for Greetings) ;D
Pieter