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Post by Nictoshek on Mar 29, 2010 1:49:09 GMT -7
Two blasts in Moscow Metro, dozens killed29 March, 2010, 08:26 Two explosions have rocked the Moscow Metro this morning, claiming dozens of dead and injured. The first explosion happened in a carriage at the central Lubyanka underground station at 07:56, informs RIA Novosti news agency. The second blast happened at the Park Kultury Metro station also in a carriage of a train at 08:39. Russia's Prosecutor General Yuri Chaika has officially announced that 37 people died in the two terrorist acts this morning. Russian news agency Interfax quoted an unnamed source in Russian law enforcement structures as saying that the attacks were carried out by female suicide members. The source said that this conclusion can be drawn from the type of damage inflicted upon the exploded Metro carriages. Preliminary reports say that body fragments of the attackers have already been found, the source added. According to Russia’s Emergency Ministry, the first explosion presumably happened in the second carriage of a Metro train stopped at the Lubyanka station in the very center of Moscow, only several hundred meters from the Kremlin. At 9:30 am Moscow time, the Emergencies Ministry gave the number of casualties as 20 to 25 killed and 17 wounded on Lubyanka station, and 12 to 15 killed and over 20 wounded at Park Kultury station. Rescuers and police are working at both scenes. The explosions happened during rush hour. Both Lubyanka and Park Kultury stations are very busy interchange stations, with many people there at any given time, particularly on Monday morning. According to preliminary data, the explosions were carried out by suicide bombers with about two kilos of TNT each, informed Moscow’s Prosecutor General. rt.com/Top_News/2010-03-29/moscow-metro-blast-victims.html?fullstory
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Post by Nictoshek on Mar 29, 2010 8:26:47 GMT -7
 Moscow Commuters Post Grim Video and Photos Online After BombingsBy ROBERT MACKEY March 29, 2010, 9:41 am In the immediate aftermath of bombings at two Moscow subway stations on Monday morning, video and photographs were posted online by commuters in the Russian capital showing some of the damage and the evacuations that followed. Particularly graphic and disturbing images of people killed by one of the bombs were posted on the Russian Web site Lifenews.ru and included in this video report uploaded to YouTube by Russia Today, an English-language satellite channel financed by the Russian government. The Park Kultury subway station in central Moscow, where the day’s second bombing took place, is close to Russia Today’s studio. One of the station’s anchors, Yulia Shapovalova, said that she had just finished her shift and was trying to board a train in the station when the explosion there took place. She shot some video on her phone outside the station and then returned to the studio to describe what she had seen, while obviously still shaken: www.lifenews.ru/news/18747 |
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Post by justjohn on Mar 29, 2010 8:40:53 GMT -7
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Post by Nictoshek on Mar 29, 2010 9:10:03 GMT -7
 Wouldn't surprise me if Putin now embarks on a massive Chechnyan 'ethnic cleansing' campaign. What will be there to stop him ?  |
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Post by pieter on Mar 29, 2010 16:54:44 GMT -7
Wouldn't surprise me if Putin now embarks on a massive Chechnyan 'ethnic cleansing' campaign. What will be there to stop him ? The fierce Chechen fighters, who are better then the Russians! It is a complicated case. I hate those terrorists, but in the same time respect freedom fighters, people who fight for their own Nation! The Russians made war crimes in Chechenia, and the Chechen maffia was a problem in the Post-SovjetUnion and the Russian federation too. |
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Post by pieter on Mar 29, 2010 16:58:16 GMT -7
First of all today I am sorry for the Russian victims, their mothers, fathers, sisters and brothers.
Their wives or husbants and the children of the victims who were parents!
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Post by Jaga on Mar 29, 2010 17:15:04 GMT -7
I changed the title of this thread into "black widows" instead of terrorists, since terrorist is such a general term. We can call terrorist everybody we do not like.
Why is it that women strike more than men? Do you remember Moscov theater drama? It is because of the fact that in Russia is a huge dominance of women over men. Men live shorter lives not only because they drink too much but also because they die in the accidents, wars etc. Majority of Czeczen men are either dead or in hiding, so women had to take their dirty job.
I still think that this is not a black and white issue although killing innocent people is never good (just like when Israel does kill hundreds of civilians in order to kill a couple of bad guys)
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Post by justjohn on Mar 29, 2010 19:28:37 GMT -7
I changed the title of this thread into "black widows" instead of terrorists, since terrorist is such a general term. We can call terrorist everybody we do not like. Why is it that women strike more than men? Do you remember Moscov theater drama? It is because of the fact that in Russia is a huge dominance of women over men. Men live shorter lives not only because they drink too much but also because they die in the accidents, wars etc. Majority of Czeczen men are either dead or in hiding, so women had to take their dirty job. I still think that this is not a black and white issue although killing innocent people is never good (just like when Israel does kill hundreds of civilians in order to kill a couple of bad guys)  Could there be another issue here? Sooner or later all these so called '75 virgins' have to be replenished. Remember, one appearance and goodbye virgin status. Could this be a cleverly disguised plan of replacements? Hmmmmm- - - - - I wonder!!!!! |
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Post by karl on Mar 29, 2010 20:02:20 GMT -7
I changed the title of this thread into "black widows" instead of terrorists, since terrorist is such a general term. We can call terrorist everybody we do not like. Why is it that women strike more than men? Do you remember Moscov theater drama? It is because of the fact that in Russia is a huge dominance of women over men. Men live shorter lives not only because they drink too much but also because they die in the accidents, wars etc. Majority of Czeczen men are either dead or in hiding, so women had to take their dirty job. I still think that this is not a black and white issue although killing innocent people is never good (just like when Israel does kill hundreds of civilians in order to kill a couple of bad guys) Jaga Your question of reason of use of woman in these attacks, is fundamentally very simple. Woman are in general, with out suspicion whilst they go about their business and most are very attractive {until the deed is completed, then it is ugly}. What is not shown by the media and very much should be is this: Depending upon the area of explosive carried, will determine the effect upon the body. Very often most of the body is destroyed by action of the explosive charge detonating. Fairly often, the upper shoulders and head will intact with the remainder of lower portions blown apart with some body parts flung in the direction of explosive force. If perchance the victim{s} are out side of the detonation range, very often the die from debris blown out ward. Depending of course on the environment or enclosure area. The media even in Israel, seem to provide protection to the public of the blast damage to the human body of the carrier. This people for what ever their reasoning, collect and review results from each attack for analysis. Then use these result to more ever insure better success. For there seems to be a good supple of ladies as bomb carriers. Within the societies most susceptible to these typen of attacks, are industrialized nations in locations of easy entrance and exit. For the bomb laden ladies are not completely to them selves. For their leadership insures of observers of the incident as insurance, the attacks will be carried out. Of these observers, record the success and effects for purpose of future improvements in training and equipment. For better understanding of your enemy, it must be first to know your enemy more best, then they know them selves. For this skill, it is imperative to view their world through their eyes, not of our own. Take for example as a difficult manner of detection: A woman, very pleasant, wearing a head scarf, and pushing a baby carriage, is arriving amongs a large number of people in a crowded area. For what ever the reason. A casual look into the baby carriage meets expectations of a little bundle covered with to hold off the chill. But the question, and to be wrong, could and would be fatal: Is the woman a woman? Could be she is not as appears, but is in fact a man dressed as a woman with a youthful face. The baby in the carriage, no notice has been given that there is indeed a child nestled under the blanket. But in this stead, wrapped explosives with detonator installed. The fuse is not pyro, but in this stead, 2 or more triggers for detonation of the contained explosive. Or perhaps the above is actual a mother with her child going about her business as multitudes of such have always done. Of admit, the above is rather out side of common thought. But, for that reason as of not reasonable, is prime reason to take action. The most un-imaginable, is the prime reason of success. Even in The Russian Federation with the controls and manners of detection as demonstrated over many years of maturing. Was not able to detect this travesty of damage. One human bomb hit, was under the FSB office {Federal Security Service [formerly, KGB} www.todayonline.com/World/EDC100330-0000052/Black-Widows-hit-MoscowKarl |
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Post by Jaga on Mar 29, 2010 21:02:23 GMT -7
Could there be another issue here? Sooner or later all these so called '75 virgins' have to be replenished. Remember, one appearance and goodbye virgin status. Could this be a cleverly disguised plan of replacements? Hmmmmm- - - - - I wonder!!!!! John, sure, these people are not saints. They are terrible, but they are also the product of Russia. I wish Russia let Chechens go and govern themselves. |
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Post by Nictoshek on Mar 30, 2010 1:21:30 GMT -7
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Post by justjohn on Mar 30, 2010 4:15:10 GMT -7
Could there be another issue here? Sooner or later all these so called '75 virgins' have to be replenished. Remember, one appearance and goodbye virgin status. Could this be a cleverly disguised plan of replacements? Hmmmmm- - - - - I wonder!!!!! John, sure, these people are not saints. They are terrible, but they are also the product of Russia. I wish Russia let Chechens go and govern themselves. The terrorists behind the two blasts that killed at least 38 people in the Moscow metro system on Monday morning will be eliminated, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin vowed. The first attack on one of the world's busiest metro systems occurred just before 8:00 a.m. (4:00 GMT) at the Lubyanka station under the headquarters of the Federal Security Services (FSB) as people hurried to work. That blast took the lives of 24 people. The second, which happened some 40 minutes later at the nearby Park Kultury station, killed another 12. Two more people are reported as having been killed in the bombings. The total number of injured in both blasts is over 60. The bombings were the first major terrorist attacks in the Russian capital for six years. "As you know, today in Moscow we saw a terrible crime against peaceful civilians," Putin, currently in the Siberian city of Krasnoyarsk, said. "I am certain our law enforcement agencies will do everything to find and punish these criminals. The terrorists will be eliminated," he added. Putin also called on Moscow taxi drivers not to cash in on the tragedy. Reports said some taxi drivers charged passengers up to 3,000 rubles ($100) for a 7-km ride from the Komsomolskaya subway station to Park Kultury after the section between the stations was closed following the blasts. Russia's top investigator Vladimir Markin said police were working on identifying the two female suicide bombers who carried out the attacks. He added that the women's faces had not suffered in the blasts. Markin earlier told journalists that the second attack had been carried out by a "dark-haired woman" and that "fragments of her body" found at the scene suggested she had had the equivalent of 1.5 kg of TNT strapped to her waist. The head of the Federal Security Services (FSB), Alexander Bortnikov, said terrorists from Russia's North Caucasus may have been involved in the attacks. He also said the bomb at the Lubyanka station exploded with a force of up to 4 kg of TNT. He added that in both cases the bombs were packed with metal nuts and bolts to increase the destructive nature of the blast. A day of mourning has been announced for Tuesday in Moscow. Russia has been fighting militants in the North Caucasus for almost two decades, including two brutal separatist wars in Chechnya. Analysts suggest Monday's attacks are revenge for a recent operation in Chechnya that saw the deaths of over 20 radical Islamic fighters. Aside from Chechnya, militant violence is also a regular occurrence in the neighboring republics of Ingushetia and Dagestan. The last major terrorist incident to hit Moscow occurred in the autumn of 2004, when ten people were killed in a suicide bombing outside a metro station. The explosion was part of a series of terrorist attacks that also saw 90 people die in two plane bombings and the deaths of over 300 people, many of them children, when Chechen terrorists seized a school in the North Ossetian town of Beslan. A bomb in the Moscow metro in February 2004 also killed 40 people. Outside of the volatile North Caucasus, these were the last major terrorist attacks in Russia until last November, when a bomb derailed a Moscow-St. Petersburg express train, killing 27 people. But Monday's bombings have raised the very real specter of a return to terrorist violence in the Russian heartland. KRASNOYARSK, March 29 (RIA Novosti) |
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Post by Nictoshek on Mar 30, 2010 6:25:39 GMT -7
Somebody soon will get to watch and experience another rerun of: Pinocchio ...and it won't be a children's story either: |
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Post by karl on Mar 30, 2010 9:07:29 GMT -7
J.J. An update of incident in Moscow. {for information: the 2 lady bomber persons, were not virgins, but widows with husbands killed in the previous}. Russian police are little different with the methodology used. In this case, the faces of the bomber ladies were fairly much intact, for then it is just use of data base records for discovery. One particle of information is a building block to the next and to the next. For of this, is the cause and effect quotient, for then the surviving family members with associates are then to be tracked for investigational purposes. {for the moment, it is of risk for accessing Russian source information as possible damage to computer}{most electronic enquirie will face for a time, risk of tracking programme modules implacement}} www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1261502/Female-suicide-bombers-Moscow-kill-30-attacks-tube-trains.htmlKarl |
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Post by justjohn on Mar 31, 2010 5:22:26 GMT -7
J.J. An update of incident in Moscow. {for information: the 2 lady bomber persons, were not virgins, but widows with husbands killed in the previous}. Russian police are little different with the methodology used. In this case, the faces of the bomber ladies were fairly much intact, for then it is just use of data base records for discovery. One particle of information is a building block to the next and to the next. For of this, is the cause and effect quotient, for then the surviving family members with associates are then to be tracked for investigational purposes. {for the moment, it is of risk for accessing Russian source information as possible damage to computer}{most electronic enquirie will face for a time, risk of tracking programme modules implacement}} www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1261502/Female-suicide-bombers-Moscow-kill-30-attacks-tube-trains.htmlKarl MAKHACHKALA, Russia — Two suicide bombers – including one impersonating a police officer – killed 12 people Wednesday in southern Russia. Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said the blasts may have been organized by the same militants who attacked the Moscow subway. The powerful former president had previously vowed to "drag out of the sewer" the terrorists behind the attacks in Moscow, which killed 39 people and injured scores of commuters during Monday's rush hour. Wednesday's blasts struck in the province of Dagestan. Bombings and other attacks occur almost daily in Dagestan, Chechnya and Ingushetia, provinces in Russia's North Caucasus region where government forces are struggling against a separatist Islamist insurgency. "I don't rule out that this is one and the same gang," Putin said at a televised Cabinet meeting. President Dmitry Medvedev said later the attacks were "links of the same chain." The Moscow subway bombings were the first suicide attacks in the Russian capital in six years and shocked a country that had grown accustomed to having such violence confined to its restive southern corner. Those attacks followed a warning from an Islamic militant leader that the militants would bring their struggle to the heart of Russia. On Wednesday, a suicide bomber in a car detonated explosives when police tried to stop the car in the town of Kizlyar near Dagestan's border with Chechnya, Interior Minister Rashid Nurgaliyev said. "Traffic police followed the car and almost caught up – at that time the blast hit," Nurgaliyev said. As investigators and residents gathered around the scene of the blast, a second bomber wearing a police uniform approached and set off explosives, killing the town's police chief among others, Nurgaliyev said. |
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