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Post by hollister on May 16, 2007 9:21:20 GMT -7
:: Casino Royale star Daniel Craig has signed up to play the lead in a true story about the Polish Resistance during the Second World War.
Defiance, directed by US Blood Diamond film-maker Edward Zwick, centres on four brothers in Nazi-occupied Poland.
The group fled into the forests of Belarus with a group of Jewish people and joined Russian resistance fighters.
Filming is set to begin in September, possibly in Eastern Europe and Canada, and the movie is expected to be released at the end of next year.
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Post by ludikundera on May 16, 2007 15:31:56 GMT -7
Defiance, directed by US Blood Diamond film-maker Edward Zwick, centres on four brothers in Nazi-occupied Poland. The group fled into the forests of Belarus with a group of Jewish people and joined Russian resistance fighters.+ ScreenDaily is reporting today that Daniel Craig has added yet another role to his upcoming slate of projects that already includes Bond 22, The Golden Compass and Blindness. According to them, he's been cast in Defiance, the upcoming Ed Zwick film that will follow four Jewish brothers who leave occupied Poland and join freedom fighters in Belarus. There's not much more information besides that, and I'll be interested to see if this is quickly confirmed by Variety and HR, or if it turns out to be one of those 'castings' that Craig ends up denying at press junkets, like with I, Lucifer.from gww.cinematical.com/2007/05/16/daniel-craig-reportedly-signs-for-ed-zwicks-war-film-defiance/For a few seconds, I thought Hollywood was making a film about actual Polish resistance fighters... Then I realized how how unlikely that was. After all, all real Poles were too busy running "Polish death camps" and burning Jews in barns to have time for resistance. Good thing the heroic "Russian" liberators were around, though!
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Post by rdywenur on May 17, 2007 3:20:42 GMT -7
Not quite sure what you meant by that but I'm not sure I like it. My mom was a '"real" Pole and she was not running a death camp or burning Jews.
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Post by bescheid on May 17, 2007 7:57:31 GMT -7
Not quite sure what you meant by that but I'm not sure I like it. My mom was a '"real" Pole and she was not running a death camp or burning Jews. Chris I know the referance was made of. It occured in city Jedwabne date: 10 July 1941. Rather your self or others would wish to check the url is a personal choice. It amounted to the burning death of approximatly 1 600, Jews burned alive. www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/jedwabne/yed999.htmlEven though I am knowledgable of this, out of respect, I would not have presented the incident. Just my own personal feeling. To the auther, in my own mind I would prefer to not be judgmental, for he is only presenting a truth. For that war, was a loused war. Charles |
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Post by kaima on May 17, 2007 9:06:15 GMT -7
For a few seconds, I thought Hollywood was making a film about actual Polish resistance fighters...
Then I realized how how unlikely that was.
After all, all real Poles were too busy running "Polish death camps" and burning Jews in barns to have time for resistance.
Good thing the heroic "Russian" liberators were around, though!ludikundera, That seems to be an inaccurate and unnecessary slur. What is the message you are trying to bring across? Kai |
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Post by zooba on May 17, 2007 9:28:57 GMT -7
Guys, I think ludikundera was just ironic. We know the history about Russian "liberators" and "Polish" death camps - I thought ludi was making fun of the widespread misconceptions about Poland and WW2.
I hope I'm right.
The fact is it would be very surprising and un-hollywoodish to present a piece of Polish history accurately.
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Post by bescheid on May 17, 2007 11:22:55 GMT -7
Guys, I think ludikundera was just ironic. We know the history about Russian "liberators" and "Polish" death camps - I thought ludi was making fun of the widespread misconceptions about Poland and WW2. I hope I'm right. The fact is it would be very surprising and un-hollywoodish to present a piece of Polish history accurately. Zooba In actuality, my real and actual reaction was not so good. For I perceived this as a bait for a verbal trap, for an initial check of any Neo-Nazi stupids on this forum, or worse; A representative of some of these nut organizations running down the children of former Nationalist Socialist for the purpose of black mail for money, especially those of former manufacturing families during that black war. {For those motherless sons of B-----es are simply vultures on the loose}. Charles |
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Post by hollister on May 17, 2007 12:26:06 GMT -7
Good heavens! I never thought I would start off such a storm with posting this - all I was thinking of was a gettinga chance to see Craig on the screen - I liked the new Bond film and he totally charmed me.
For my part, I thought ludikundera's post was tongue in cheek. As we were discussing in another thread it is often hard (perhaps nigh onto impossible) to tell by simply words on a screen a person's meaning. However, from other posts made I was inclined to think it was in jest and poking fun at outsider's perspectives.
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Post by kaima on May 17, 2007 14:07:27 GMT -7
Storm? No. Just an opportunity for ludikundera to clarify what lies behind this careless statement.
Kai.
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Post by ludikundera on May 17, 2007 15:00:24 GMT -7
che (tongue) ek! x sarcasm
No traps, no slurs intended. Just a criticism of current popular perceptions about Poland and World War II: the Jan Gross version of history, if you will.
Much like in Zwick's own film Blood Diamond, for instance, where a black African story is told through a messianic white hero (as is, actually, his The Last Samurai, too), Hollywood tends to see Polish history strictly through the eyes of the Jewish Holocaust. Coupled with the recent uses of terms like "Polish death camp" in newspapers and on television, and references to pogroms in Poland during and after the war (and their application to Polish society as a whole, then and now), films like these have the potential to solidify certain misconceptions, created through ignorance or ill will, about Poles, the war, etc.
Especially as cinema grows older, and moves away from portraying events that people still remember, I think this is an important issue. How has Spielberg's Saving Private Ryan affected how people, Americans, view the D-Day landings in Normandy, for instance? Even the film's lighting and colour scheme have been mimicked countless times, in video games, TV Shows, and other films. For a more Polish example, think Wajda's Man of Iron and the creation of Solidarity, or Polanski's The Pianist and the visualization of bombed-out Warsaw.
Because of their unique nature, films (and television) tend to pass for reality and be interpreted as literal more easily than books, paintings, or other forms of art, entertainment. Not to mention that they're consumed by mass audiences, open and eager for manipulation by the filmmakers.
And, added to that, Hollywood doesn't have a history of being kind to Poland.
So, really, all I meant to point out was skepticism over Zwick's proposed Defiance film; which, even from the brief descriptions already available, seems like it has all the right elements to advocate and legitimize bad history. For what reasons? The benefit of the doubt is profit-induced indifference.
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Post by bescheid on May 17, 2007 15:16:44 GMT -7
Dear Mr. Ludikundera Well, here I am once again with no excuse, and being rude to a new member  I have miss judged you sorely inlight of the fact the ladies caught on quickly whilst my head was stuck in the sand with the tide running over my butt. You have an excellent manner of clear thinking whilst keeping a proper focus with the work at hand--- For I have wronged you dearly with misunderstanding and I am very sorry for my actions. Please do accept my sincere apologies for being such a dumb head. Charles |
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Post by bescheid on May 17, 2007 15:22:58 GMT -7
Good heavens! I never thought I would start off such a storm with posting this - all I was thinking of was a gettinga chance to see Craig on the screen - I liked the new Bond film and he totally charmed me. For my part, I thought ludikundera's post was tongue in cheek. As we were discussing in another thread it is often hard (perhaps nigh onto impossible) to tell by simply words on a screen a person's meaning. However, from other posts made I was inclined to think it was in jest and poking fun at outsider's perspectives. Holly Think not badly for a second for you have done nothing wrong, but brought forward a post that certainly received a very much amount of attention! My self, I think perhaps I need to return to the school of thought, and learn the skill of humour! Charles |
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Post by kaima on May 17, 2007 18:15:05 GMT -7
ludikundera,
Thanks for what is perhaps the ideal explanation. Expressing some ideas in writing on the web is difficult, and you certainly made your point! As the 'resident non-Pole' on this forum - a position I am happy to share with anyone - I found the statements as offensive as you state they are in your last message.
I very much agree with you about the distorted history that is presented, particularly here in the west. I was reading an old National Geographic article about Russia (then the USSR) the other day and was struck by the distorted presentation put forth by this respected magazine. I could see any number of parallels with the presentation given and the history of western Europe, yet the demeaning language used to describe the Russians would never be applied to England or France. Some of it could be attributed to the Cold War, but much of it I attributed to the western prejudice run amuck.
Let us hope that Zwick's proposed Defiance film will present a fair view of history.
Kai
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I have miss judged you sorely inlight of the fact the ladies caught on quickly whilst my head was stuck in the sand with the tide running over my butt.