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Whisky
Nov 12, 2005 8:26:49 GMT -7
Post by A multinational on Nov 12, 2005 8:26:49 GMT -7
Hi folks As a multi-national i.e. various origins (English-French-Scottish {and way back Polish}) And a pedant, to boot, I must put the record straight on two expressions: The Scottish spelling is 'whisky' - after all that is where the drink originated. The altered spelling 'whiskey' refers only to whisky made in Ireland or the USA (fancy that!). A person from Scotland is 'Scottish' or 'Scots' or 'a Scot' - never 'Scotch' 'Scotch' is an outdated word that used to be used universally to describe a Scot, particularly one from the Lowlands (ie almost English), has been used as Scotch whisky (the 'Scotch' adjective is redundant) or to other minor items such as Scotch Eggs! It is often used in England as a synonym for whisky in a bar - eg I'll have a double Scotch, please, but I doubt you would ever hear that in Scotland. A drink of whisky is usually referred to as a 'wee dram'. Here endeth the lesson on the Scottish language Just one other word use bugs me in Poland, when the translator/interpreter comes out with 'trainings'. This happens because even if training is used basically as a singular word, the Polish translator identifies training as more than one event. If used even as a plural adjective eg training courses, the English adjective is still just 'training'. I bet nobody reads this and if they do they will be bored stiff!!! Leslie the Pedant
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Whisky
Nov 12, 2005 8:29:41 GMT -7
Post by leslie on Nov 12, 2005 8:29:41 GMT -7
This ** forum didn't accept my 'Leslie' identity. I logged in this morning and put 'forever' which it has turned to 6 hours and required me to log in again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!******
It's all probably my fault - creep, creep.
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Whisky
Nov 12, 2005 8:45:47 GMT -7
Post by kaima on Nov 12, 2005 8:45:47 GMT -7
Hi Old Man!
'tis a good thing you stick to your islands, your frustration at speaking this language we have developed a bit to your west might be a bit much for your nerves! Here the old Scots-Irish that is spoken in the Appalachian mountians is considered incorrect and "hilbilly". If you ever make it to these shores, stop in the region and go into a few hollers and mountain tops and come back with a report on how the language has developed. Your comments might be enlightening. Now what may have started out as whisky by them is currently called "moonshine".
My most interesting mis-translation comes from the Russian and is indicated when a native Russian speaker says in English "That is not convenient". What they really mean, apparently, is "That is impossible". Evidently the Russian word for "Impossible" is often tought as "Inconvenient" in the schools. Most often I have been saved by the tone and facial expression, which carried 90% of the true meaning.
Kai
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Whisky
Nov 12, 2005 9:10:26 GMT -7
Post by leslie on Nov 12, 2005 9:10:26 GMT -7
Hi Kai I see we are back on our old battling ground - great, but I miss Raytan to have a go at. Why do you call a back garden to a house a 'backyard' - a backyard is just a lot of concrete usually behind an old house!! And I do leave these islands - I have even been to the States - both coasts; Poland usually three or four times a year (whenever I am invited to work there and everything is paid for me!), Portugal, France. Can I ask if you ever leave America?!!! Leslie (one of the Grumpy Old Men) ps I did a spellcheck on ths and it wanted me to change 'whisky' to 'whiskey' - the cheek of it!!!!
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nancy
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Whisky
Nov 12, 2005 9:17:09 GMT -7
Post by nancy on Nov 12, 2005 9:17:09 GMT -7
In a former life, I was Irish (really). So I know that the Irish invented "uisce beatha" (= "Water of Life" in Gaelic). And I will spell it "whiskey" as I sing the chorus of an old Irish tune: Hey, whiskey you’re the devil You’re leading me astray O'er hills and mountains And to Amerikay You're sweeter, stronger, decent-er You're spunkier than tea,* Ah, whiskey you're me darlin’, drunk or sober
* tea is pronounced "tay"
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Whisky
Nov 12, 2005 9:49:26 GMT -7
Post by leslie on Nov 12, 2005 9:49:26 GMT -7
Nancy Och awa wi yee! The Scots went over to Ireland, populated it then came back and re-populated Scotia. ;D
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Bob S
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Whisky
Nov 12, 2005 10:04:08 GMT -7
Post by Bob S on Nov 12, 2005 10:04:08 GMT -7
;D Leslie. You TRAIN animals: You INSTRUCT or TEACH People.
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Whisky
Nov 12, 2005 10:11:55 GMT -7
Post by leslie on Nov 12, 2005 10:11:55 GMT -7
;D Leslie. You TRAIN animals: You INSTRUCT or TEACH People. Bob Where did all that come from. When I mount an event in which people are able to learn, I am either the trainer or the facilitator. When I was a teacher (for a short time) I instructed or taught children. Because that is what I had to do with them, is why I left that situation very quickly - I learned from the situation. You cannot Instruct or Teach people, what you can do is give them and help them in an opportunity for them to learn. Instructing and Teaching is Victorian. Leslie ;D
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Whisky
Nov 12, 2005 10:14:51 GMT -7
Post by leslie on Nov 12, 2005 10:14:51 GMT -7
And I will spell it "whiskey" Nancy I have just noticed the advert at the head of the page talking about Irish etc 'WHISKY' Och aye
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Whisky
Nov 12, 2005 11:00:51 GMT -7
Post by bescheid on Nov 12, 2005 11:00:51 GMT -7
Good morning Leslie, would by any chance, this whisky business orginant from my past misuse of several words that were sticky? As in Scotch for Scot?
Who now is this person of Raytan? Is he one of the UK Club?
I like the tast of Scotch, vodka, wine, gin, WHISKY, and what have I left out now. All are good, just pick an occasion, any one occasion will do, for a tast to kill the cold and damp.
Charles
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Whisky
Nov 12, 2005 11:52:05 GMT -7
Post by leslie on Nov 12, 2005 11:52:05 GMT -7
No Charles, to be quite honest I had forgotten about our exchange then. No, it was Bob I was going at since he should know better!!! Raytan was the other UK forum member and he was much more aggressive and ruder than I am = WASN'T HE BOB! But he seems to have disappeared although, Nancy I think it was, or Jaga, pointed me towards a weird Internet web site he had opened. Guten Abend mein freund (no I don't speak German!) Leslie
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nancy
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Whisky
Nov 12, 2005 12:12:21 GMT -7
Post by nancy on Nov 12, 2005 12:12:21 GMT -7
Leslie,
Do not "worry" - Raytan often disappears for several weeks and then shows up again -although if he goes back to Bella he will be surprised to see that we moved while he was away. His website has a lot of interesting info on it about what happened to his Polish family.
BTW, did you notice the comments I left in your Webshots questbooks?
What is this about Scotch Eggs?
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Whisky
Nov 12, 2005 12:45:45 GMT -7
Post by leslie on Nov 12, 2005 12:45:45 GMT -7
Sorry, Nancy, I meant to say thank you for entering in the Webshots guestbook - very pleasing comments and much appreciated. My day has been busy today: doing two loads of washing and trying to get them dry (in the end I had to dryer them); washing the dining room floor and the kitchen floor; sorting out my son's laundry; doing some work on the Index for my Polish book; making my son's and my dinners; loading up the dishwasher; and, of course, trying to put my dime's worth on the forum. Tonight I am off to see my friends at the pub and have a (or more) welcoming drink. And they say a woman's work is never done. Oh yes, and I had to pop down into the village to do a little bit of shopping! And I am just a mere man! Have a good weekend Leslie
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Whisky
Nov 12, 2005 12:51:21 GMT -7
Post by leslie on Nov 12, 2005 12:51:21 GMT -7
Forgot to mention the Scotch Eggs. Just an example of the use of a word that doesn't mean anything. Do you have Scotch Eggs in the US? Hard-boiled eggs that have been pickled in vinegar out of their shells or hard-boiled eggs coated in browned, breadcumbs - like wot u get on fish in a packet! If Raytan had been sneaking a sight of what was going on in Bella, I don't think he could have kept quiet. I don't think we'll see him on the forum - may be wrong. Leslie
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Whisky
Nov 12, 2005 13:09:07 GMT -7
Post by Pawian on Nov 12, 2005 13:09:07 GMT -7
;D Leslie. You TRAIN animals: You INSTRUCT or TEACH People. But don`t we say "trainee" about people?
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