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Post by Nictoshek on Nov 21, 2013 3:09:13 GMT -7
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Post by karl on Nov 21, 2013 6:11:42 GMT -7
Nictoe
Thank you for sharing with this photo presentation of The Reality Of Life. For the photos are in them selves, self explanatory with out words. Life with people in the back waters of a society that would wish to sweep this under the rug as nothing to do with them.
But, this has much to do with the society of that time, for it represents the reality of life to the many that through their own faults of bad choices and/or bad luck. Have fallen through the cracks of life as enjoyed by those of more fortunant times. With this, these people {middle class and those of wealth} wish not to be reminded, that for withen simular situations, they also could be one of those living in Up Town Chicago.
Of many instnces, these situations as photo captured by Mr. Bob, Rehak, are able through their relaxed manner, to be accepted by those as photographed. This more so then with the presence of a professional camera crew {Sorry Pieter} complete with all the trappings of vehicles, lights, crews and commenatator. Every thing that a street person would walk away from.
It is in such manner, to use circomstances/luck/relaxed manner with a simple camera and a smile, the most revealing photos are taken.
Thank you once again for this very revealing photo presentation of Up Town Chicago.
Karl
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Post by Nictoshek on Nov 21, 2013 8:02:40 GMT -7
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Post by karl on Nov 21, 2013 16:28:32 GMT -7
Nictoe
To say this is interesting, would not be fair to these people as they made the best of their situation as best as possible. For survival in such a neighbour hood would be simply problomatic dependant upon the situation and what a person were to be aligned with for protection.
The various photos protray amongst the members as very proud of them selves and of thier gang. In this manner, we do not have the right to say they are wrong, for what would we do if placed into their shoes and the manner of daily survival. But, as youth fades into adulthood and adulthood fades with time into the elderly, memories are still alive, and this will be all they have, is their memories.
Karl
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Post by pieter on Nov 22, 2013 6:03:29 GMT -7
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Post by karl on Nov 22, 2013 8:13:34 GMT -7
Pieter
Very excellent companion presentation with tht of Nictoes. With this, I would enjoy to offer an opinion upon the realistic presentation of life upon the streets.
The photo nature of the lady and her life living the streets in a self seporation from day people with night people as a seporate society. In this manner, her life as history with her various lovers and close friends she decribes as her famiy, this being with transexuals and drag queens. What is deplorable to the good day people, is normal in the life of those citizens of the night. In this manner, the night people by their own personal choice, keep their seporation as protection from the critical eyes of the common good.
But, also are these people very closed in to their way of life, for them, there is little room for escape into the other society of day people. For many such as this particular photo essay, the common bond is what they are, sex and drugs. The essay left out some essentials of this life style, that would be the manner of their finances, drugs, alcohal and entertainment cost. To meet the expense of their choisen life style, must be supported by means of providing to the common good, sex for money {prostition}, theft, burglary and black mail. This provided by hidden cameras in rooms in the act of prostitution. With the photographs taken of their clients in the bed of their payed for lovers, provides excellent evidence for payment for silence.
In the end though, once their youth has been used up, time and drugs take the toil upon them and age brings their summer and fall, into the white of winter. They then will have only their memories and photographs to live with.
It was very interesting not as entertainment, but with the same prospective as viewing a painting. In this case is the photo journalisum of Garry Winogrand..I found his work very fasinating and interesting. For it is self evident, he is a photo specialist in photographing people. For each is a masterpiece of unposed natural setting of various situations of people. He appears to have the ablity to catch a moment in time that is only for an instant, then gone forever.
For each photograph is self explainatory complete with the emotions expressed by the timeless moment of photo capture. A skill not entirely of training, but by intrinsic understanding of him self and his natural ability. A very rare atribute of skill.
Thank you for your contributions
Karl
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Post by pieter on Nov 22, 2013 10:57:53 GMT -7
Karl, Nan Goldin is an artist and photographer. I don't endorse her way of life or the subcultures she lived in. I have no moral or ethical judgement about her, but an esthetic and content based opinion about her work. Her photography is interesting, because she takes you into a world you don't easily enter. I like her snapshot, close to the model and her subjects approach. The Gay, Transsexual (Transgender), dragqueen, women of the night world of Nan Goldin exists. By the way, not all transgenders or dragqueens are people of the night. Most transvestites by the way are hetrosexual men with a female (gen) I think, because they have the urge or the desire to dress like men. Diversity makes the world great. You have day life and night life and the inbetween. I know all three of them. Having been an European teen in a coastal town who went out to bars and discotheques (In Europe you can drink earlier than in the USA. I started going out when I was 16), and after that to nightclubs, discotheques and houseparties in Amsterdam, Haarlem (the Dutch Haarlem), The Hague and later in Arnhem. I saw the nightlife in these towns and cities and in cities of other European nations or nations with European roots or heritages (Warsaw, Poznan, Krakow, Prague, Budapest, Berlin, Oxford, Montpellier, Capetown -an European African city-, Copenhagen and New York -an European city in the USA-) In the cultural world, the world of fine art (contemporary), music, fashion, poetry, literature and photography you have people who use their talents, skills, senses, vulnerability, communicative skills, sexuality (sensuality/eroticism or whatever)in their work and life (lifestyle). Alcohol, drugs and other addictions are not far away in the world of artists, musicians and other bohemians. But again, not all artists, musicians and photographers are drug addicts or alcoholists. The fascination for the street life in rough and shabby big city neighborhoods in large cities and the nightlife in city centres and the periphery of them is a thing or element which has fascinated artists, painters, drawers, photographers and musicians for centuries and decades. Both American and European artists are fascinated by it. The cities where it happened and happens are Paris, Berlin and New York. Today in Europe for artistic people Berlin is what New York is in the USA. That's why you hear French, Russian, Polish, Dutch, Turkish, Greek, Armenian, Georgian, Indian (India), Arabic, Hebrew, Yiddish, Italian, and the American, Canadian and British english accents in Berlin spoken by the North-American and British people that live and work there. David Bowie recorded three albums in Berlin. Low, Lodger and Heroes. And a lot of these songs remind me of the abstract, melancholic, and sometimes sinister or fatalistic side of big city life. The sensations and the dangers of the night. The sprakling and exiting nightlife with Cabaret, typical Berlin kneipe's, Prenslauer Berg, Kreuzberg, Neuköln, Berlin Mitte with it's Indian restaurants and squads back then when I was there with it's fascinating stairs, halls, rooms and autonomen pubs sprayed and thus filled with thousands or hundreds of graffiti pieces (tags, pieces, murals). That Berlin subculture ofm the anarchistic city nomads, squaters, radical leftwing students, youth militants, street artists, acrobats, musicians, poets, performance and happening artists fascinated me. Berlin was the large version of the Amsterdam I knew from my student years 1990-1992 (short period). Both cities have the large contrasts between this Indie/alternative Underground culture and the citizens world or civil society of citizens who are civil servants,m yuppies, employers, employee's, entrepreneurs, teachers and etc. New York, Chicago, Berlin and Amsterdam have that, each in their own particular manner. Life in the world of the subcultures of the night and the Twilight Zone is unhealthy and dangerous. It attracted artists because it was a free world without borders and without to manny rules. The night is empty and has a lot of space if you compare it to the day, when the streets, boulevards, squares and allies are filled with people and day activities. You have night people and day people and people who live inbetween. The quality of all those photographers, painters, filmmakers, editors, drawers and graphical artists is that they were able to catch the night and the atmosphere, quintessence, reality and feeling of the night and nightlife.  Vincent van Gogh, cafe 1888 Edvard Hopper, 'Nighthawks' Georg Grosz, Metropolis Reiner Werner Fassbiners 'Lola' (movie) Christiane F. 'Wir kindern vom Bahnhof Zoo' A model in Warsaw at nightCheers, Pieter |
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Post by Nictoshek on Nov 22, 2013 11:09:45 GMT -7
And what do you think of Andy Warhol's work pieter ?
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Post by pieter on Nov 22, 2013 11:30:23 GMT -7
This could be Warsaw or Amsterdam/Rotterdam today
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Post by pieter on Nov 22, 2013 11:37:35 GMT -7
A very beautiful and tragic movie about nightlife in Las Vegas. When an alcoholic and a prostitute meet.
An impossible love.
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Post by pieter on Nov 22, 2013 12:32:20 GMT -7
Warhol was an unique artist with a special sense for the combination of fashion (he started as a good show designer. He drawed women shoes), fine art, commerce, entertainment, mass culture, advertisement and the Zeitgeist (spirit of the age or spirit of the time). He had his own unique branch or direction in Pop Art. His work was different than Roy Lichtenstein, George Segal, Jim Dine, Claes Oldenburg, Robert Indiana, Tom Wesselmann en James Rosenquist. His 'Silver Factory' studio was a phenomenin in New York. He created or cofounded the Velvet Underground, the start of the carreer of Lou Reed.
His silk screens, movies (a bit long though), drawings, sculptures, magazine 'Interview' and influence one the artworld are comemorable. He was a typical combination of European (Russyn, Czechoslovak) roots and American life. I like some of his work, not everything. He was a man of his time. Loved by some and loathed by others (Valerie Salonas).
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Post by Jaga on Nov 23, 2013 0:34:35 GMT -7
Pieter, I love the pictures of the city street, especially Van Gogh and Hopper. I miss this atmosphere here in Idaho Falls.
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Post by pieter on Nov 23, 2013 11:41:39 GMT -7
Pieter Very excellent companion presentation with tht of Nictoes. With this, I would enjoy to offer an opinion upon the realistic presentation of life upon the streets. The photo nature of the lady and her life living the streets in a self seporation from day people with night people as a separate society. In this manner, her life as history with her various lovers and close friends she decribes as her famiy, this being with transexuals and drag queens. What is deplorable to the good day people, is normal in the life of those citizens of the night. In this manner, the night people by their own personal choice, keep their seporation as protection from the critical eyes of the common good. But, also are these people very closed in to their way of life, for them, there is little room for escape into the other society of day people. For many such as this particular photo essay, the common bond is what they are, sex and drugs. The essay left out some essentials of this life style, that would be the manner of their finances, drugs, alcohal and entertainment cost. To meet the expense of their choisen life style, must be supported by means of providing to the common good, sex for money {prostition}, theft, burglary and black mail. This provided by hidden cameras in rooms in the act of prostitution. With the photographs taken of their clients in the bed of their payed for lovers, provides excellent evidence for payment for silence. In the end though, once their youth has been used up, time and drugs take the toil upon them and age brings their summer and fall, into the white of winter. They then will have only their memories and photographs to live with.That ofcourse is true. The life of ' sex, drugs and rock 'n roll nightlife' took it's tole and their youth is gone. Their strength and health is gone, their teeth fall out, and their hair too. They are looking like zombies or human skeletons with some skin attached to it, and they suffer from all kind of diseases and medical failures hunt them. Alcoholism (booze), cocaine, speed, crack and/or heroine has destroyed the human they once were as a child or early teenager. They became and become (the present generation of 'people of the night and the subcultures') old fast. Chain smoking, drinking day and night and staying in poor heated shafts or squats or the cheapest hotels or youth hostels. No clean undamaged vain in their arms or legs, no strong stomach, failing human gastrointestinal tract, bad damaged pockmarked skin, thin small grumpy lips red of red wine scab. Creatures of the night   Murdered Dutch heroine prostitute (1977) Nico, Manchester, England 1983  Lady of the night  Amsterdam red light district Midnight cowboy The old Nina Hagen is out of touch with realityIt was very interesting not as entertainment, but with the same prospective as viewing a painting. In this case is the photo journalism of Garry Winogrand..I found his work very fasinating and interesting. For it is self evident, he is a photo specialist in photographing people. For each is a masterpiece of unposed natural setting of various situations of people. He appears to have the ablity to catch a moment in time that is only for an instant, then gone forever. For each photograph is self explainatory complete with the emotions expressed by the timeless moment of photo capture. A skill not entirely of training, but by intrinsic understanding of him self and his natural ability. A very rare atribute of skill. Garry Winogrand made many images of women on the street and how men reacted to them. There is quite some street psychology and even sociology in his work. If you look at his oeuvre.  Garry Winogrand: Untitled - from Women Are Beautiful, 1975     |
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Post by karl on Nov 23, 2013 14:20:31 GMT -7
Pieter
For as you have brought forward, it is not always night, when the night people come out. I think it is the quality of availabilty to that of high quality ladies for the offering. As exampled on the Reeperbahn of Hamburg. I was some what suprised to see this on public access, but then, what is not?
I am not sure of the street the above is representative, but generally, one of the areas most safe, is Reeperbahn/Davidstraße. As indicated in the body of youtube, it is not unusual for tourist and couples to walk on this street out of curiosity or what ever to view the area.
Prostitutes both female, male and kept hidden, child prostitutes, service a wide sector of the social strata. In this manner, prostitutes are very valuable as information sources, if the correct manner of recruitment is provided. For one, these people live a very narrow margin between safety in protection and/or a run in with an opposite number to suffer the consequences in physical harm,,,or worse. It is then the safety of the prostitute is paramount to the event. If there is too much the element of endangerment to the lady or fellow, then the operation is cancelled. There is always another time and place.
It is very suprising if not mindfull of the varied locations and famiies some of the prostitutes originate. Many are just what they are and do not pretend to be other wise. Whilst some are very well educated and interesting to converse with.
Generally, the action on the street begins around 21:00 into what ever hour before sunrise, or as the case may be, into the new day..For some of the customers work the late shift, play until around 16 to generally 17:00 before resting for their next shift.
Karl
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Post by Nictoshek on Nov 23, 2013 16:40:59 GMT -7
France warns tourists to avoid South, West sides
Foreign travel security advisory puts much of the city off-limits
By Katherine Skiba, Chicago Tribune reporter
November 19, 2013
As Chicago tries to entice foreign tourists, France is telling its citizens to avoid Chicago's West Side and the South Side south of 59th Street.
Pascale Furlong, press attache for the French Consulate in Chicago, said Monday that just as the U.S. State Department issues warnings about foreign travel, so does France.
"It's our responsibility towards our citizens that are traveling abroad," she said.
Furlong said she did not know how long the caution about Chicago had been on the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs website. It was highlighted — along with foreign warnings about other U.S. cities — in a recent article in The Washington Post.
While Furlong said no Chicago official had reached out to complain, the people of the Cleveland area were none too pleased. France's warnings about three Cleveland suburbs — Cleveland Heights, Lakewood and Euclid — were removed Friday after "reactions" to their being listed, Furlong said. According to news accounts, the mayor of Cleveland Heights lambasted the French government as "foolish."
The French guidance for visitors to Chicago — eviter le West Side et le sud de la ville apres la 59eme rue — means "Avoid the West Side and the south of the city after 59th Street." In effect, anything more than two blocks south of the Museum of Science and Industry is a French no-go zone.
A review of websites from other nations' ministries found that many issue general cautions about U.S. travel, with a mention of terrorism, crime and earthquakes.
Canada says firearms possession and violent crime are more common in this country and warns about "break-ins, assaults and pickpocketing in the Miami area," singling out North Miami Beach and South Beach.
The United Kingdom warns about violent crime along Mexico's border with California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas and urges people to avoid the border crossing into Ciudad Juarez.
France is not shy about going into detail about a variety of cities, neighborhoods and sights in the U.S., even if to note a downward trend in crime. It's not high on Philadelphia, central Cleveland at night or central Detroit after the close of business, for example.
In New York, it urges people not to travel alone at night to Harlem, the Bronx and Central Park and to exercise vigilance in places such as Times Square — and that famous gift from France, the Statue of Liberty.
In September, Mayor Rahm Emanuel and Choose Chicago touted a record 1.369 million overseas visitors to the city in 2012, a 14 percent gain over 2011. Choose Chicago is a not-for-profit that markets the city as a destination for tourists, business travelers and conventions. It did not respond to Tribune questions about France's warning.
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