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Post by pieter on Apr 1, 2014 15:10:28 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Apr 1, 2014 15:34:43 GMT -7
Polish Defence League Patrolling NightclubsPosted by: Gregor Gowans in News January 15, 2014 In december 2013 the Polish anti Islamic group named Polska Liga Obrony ( Polish Defence League) patroled in Warsaw's high profile clubs in order to ' protect' Polish women from " aggressive and pushy" Muslims. According to reports on thenews.pl today, the patrols were also in place in various Polish cities, citing both Krakow and Poznan as locations. As far as Wroclaw goes, they were not aware of any such Patrols being active yet, but with the Polish Defence League having a Wroclaw division, it is entirely possible that one could be on the go soon. The Polish Defence League has published reports on their website of the three patrols they've carried out. Each post contains details on the occasions in which the patrol members have either scared Muslims out of clubs or put Polish women off the Islamic men whom they had been chatting or dancing with. On our scan through the reports, we could not find any clear mentions of violence, although on a couple of occasions it may well have been implied in the wording. The first report encourages all Poles who see a Polish woman conversing with a Muslim of the opposite sex to have a polite 30 second chat, which should contain information about the dangers of Islamic men. As the report signs off, it reads " If you're in a club or other place where there are Muslims – Let us protect what is ours". A report described the patrols as " extremely successful", and mentioned that they have all but succeeded in their first mission to drive out Muslims from one of Warsaw's most high profile clubs.
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Post by Jaga on Apr 1, 2014 17:29:10 GMT -7
I wonder how many muslims really live in Poland.
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Post by pieter on Apr 2, 2014 8:54:38 GMT -7
Currently the total number of Muslims in Poland is estimated at around 31,000. Apart from the traditional Tatar communities, since the 1970s Poland has also been home to a small but growing immigrant Muslim community. In the 1970s and 1980s Poland attracted a number of students from many socialist-aligned Arabic-speaking states of the Middle East and Africa. Many of them decided to stay in Poland. In the late 1980s this community became more active and better organized. They have built mosques and praying houses in Warsaw, Białystok, Gdańsk (built by the Tatar community), Wrocław, Lublin and Poznań. There are also praying rooms in Bydgoszcz, Kraków, Łódź, Olsztyn, Katowice and Opole. Since the overthrow of Communism in 1989, other Muslim immigrants have come to Poland. A relatively prominent group are Turks and Muslims from the former Yugoslavia. There are also smaller groups of immigrants from Pakistan, Afghanistan, and from other countries, as well as a small refugee community coming from Chechnya. The exact number of Muslims living is Poland remains unknown as the last all-national census held by the Central Statistical Office in 2002 did not ask for religion. There are two contemporary Polish Muslim religious leaders: Tomasz Miśkiewicz and Jakub Szynkiewicz.  Tomasz Miśkiewicz Jakub Szynkiewicz |
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Post by Jaga on Apr 2, 2014 11:50:12 GMT -7
Pieter,
thanks for the update. I think that this is not really enough Muslims to worry about, like in Netherlands or Germany.
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Post by Eric on Apr 2, 2014 13:44:10 GMT -7
There are also smaller groups of immigrants from Pakistan, Afghanistan, and from other countries, as well as a small refugee community coming from Chechnya. If you remember, Poland supported the independence movement in Chechnya and even named a street after one of the Chechen fighters. Considering these fighters are responsible for huge numbers of civilian deaths, and the terrorist attacks continue to this day, that was a very risky move on Poland's part. But perhaps they weigh independence from Russia more heavily than other things. |
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Post by pieter on Apr 2, 2014 13:50:31 GMT -7
Pieter, thanks for the update. I think that this is not really enough Muslims to worry about, like in Netherlands or Germany. Jaga, You're welcome. I think that I have to agree with you. But I think like the spokesperson of the Polish Defense Leage says, ' Poland should learn from and avoid Dutch, German, Danish and British circumstances'. Poland should have fair but strict migration and asylum seekers (refugee) laws. Avoid mass immigration and focus on quality import of people. Get the people you need. Qualified, skilled, educated, bright, smart people and people who are willing to accept the Polish culture, Polish language, Polish customs, Polish traditions and Polish people, the Polish society and Poland in general. Don't allow people to come in who reject Western values, the Polish way of life, democracy and freedom. Islamist reject democracy, freedom, equality of men and women and the right of girls to have education. I am not a fan or supporter of the English Defense Leage, the Polish Defense Leage, the Dutch Freedom Party ( PVV), the Flemish Vlaams Belang or the French Front National, but I do believe we are living in European countries with a European culture, heritage and history and we should keep it that way. So Poland could learn from Dutch, German and Danish mistakes in the past. The Polish Tartars are Polish muslims and I have no doubt that they are loyal to the Polish state and constitution and that they are Polish patriots like the Polish Roman-Catholic majority. They have lived in Poland for centuries and served in the Polish army and lived side by side next to Polish neighbors. Cheers, Pieter |
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Post by pieter on Apr 3, 2014 6:33:37 GMT -7
There are also smaller groups of immigrants from Pakistan, Afghanistan, and from other countries, as well as a small refugee community coming from Chechnya. If you remember, Poland supported the independence movement in Chechnya and even named a street after one of the Chechen fighters. Considering these fighters are responsible for huge numbers of civilian deaths, and the terrorist attacks continue to this day, that was a very risky move on Poland's part. But perhaps they weigh independence from Russia more heavily than other things. They probably do Eric. There is an old Indian saying which says: " the enemy of my enemy is my friend". Maybe this is why the Poles or some Poles supported the Chechens in the Chechen wars. In that wars war attrocities were commited by both sides, the Russians and the Chechens. These bloodly, vicious and crual wars got little attention in the West and were less known than the civil wars in former Yugoslavia. Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croatia and Kosovo were in Europe, Chechenia was not in Europe and far away. So it got less attention. Europeans in general know little about Chechenia, Chechen people and little about the Caucasus in particular.  A Chechen man prays during the Battle of Grozny. The flame in the background is from a gas line hit by shrapnel. (January 1995)There have been various Chechen rebellions against Russian/Soviet power (including during the Russian Civil War and World War II), as well as nonviolent resistance to Russification and the Soviet Union's collectivization and antireligious campaigns. In 1944, all Chechens, together with several other peoples of the Caucasus, were ordered by the Soviet leader Joseph Stalin to be ruthlessly deported en masse to the Kazakh and Kirghiz SSRs, and their republic and nation were abolished. At least one-quarter and perhaps half of the entire Chechen population perished in the process and a severe blow was made to their culture and historical records. For the Poles this reminds them of the period 1939–1941, when the Soviets had moved hundreds of thousands of Poles across the Soviet Union, and the Soviet secret police, NKVD, had executed thousands of Polish prisoners of war (inter alia Katyn massacre). Maybe in this the Poles understand the Chechen experience, and feel some sort of connection and brotherhood. But that might change soon or maybe has changed for a long time already, because the Polish state, the Polish army and Polish special forces were and are allies of the Americans and part of NATO. And due to radicalization a lot of Chechens are aligned with Al Qaida, the Taliban and other Islamist Jihadist groups. You are right that Chechens are involved in terrorist operations, acts and organisation inside and outside the Russian Federation and Chechenia. Religion in ChecheniaChechnya is predominantly Muslim. Most Chechens belong to the Shafi'i school of thought of Sunni Islam. Some adhere to the mystical Sufi tradition of muridism, while about half of Chechens belong to Sufi brotherhoods, or tariqah. The two Sufi tariqas that spread in the North Caucasus were the Naqshbandiya and the Qadiriya (the Naqshbandiya is particularly strong in Dagestan and eastern Chechnya, whereas the Qadiriya has most of its adherents in the rest of Chechnya and Ingushetia). Not all Chechens are Muslims; the 2009 Kazakhstan census, which asked for the religion of respondents, found that 6.3% of Chechens listed a religion other than Islam, most of these being Christians or atheists. A stereotype of an average Chechen being a fundamentalist Muslim is incorrect and misleading. By the late 2000s, however, two new trends have emerged in Chechnya. A radicalized remnant of the armed Chechen separatist movement has become dominated by Salafis (popularly known in Russia as Wahhabis and present in Chechnya in small numbers since the 1990s), mostly abandoning nationalism in favor of Pan-Islamism and merging with several other regional Islamic insurgencies to form the Caucasus Emirate. At the same time, Chechnya under Moscow-backed authoritarian rule of Ramzan Kadyrov has undergone its own controversial counter-campaign of Islamization of the republic, with the local government actively promoting and enforcing their own version of a so-called " traditional Islam", including introducing elements of Sharia that replaced Russian official laws. Source: Wikipedia |
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Post by pieter on Apr 3, 2014 9:23:30 GMT -7
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