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Post by pieter on May 16, 2015 7:04:06 GMT -7
This movie shows amazingly clear the normal daily life in the Germany of 1937. Excellent images of the German highways, cities, towns, villages, Roman-Catholics in Bavaria, new neighborhoods, nazi propaganda, jewish children in a jewish school in Nazi Germany, a very young John F. Kennedy in Germany, German women and girls, German industies and harbors, Die Deutsche Arbeitsfront, Bund Deutscher Mädel, Hitlerjugend, American veterans of the First World who visit Germany, many street images of traffick and people walking on German streets, Mussolini who visits Germany with some of his Italian Fascist followers and other images. The country looks very normal in the first images, but later you see that there is a collectivist pressure, that there is inequality, segregation (between jews and non-jews), and that the Swastica is everywhere, and the uniforms too. Not such a normal country after all.
Her an interesting history of the Weimar republic before the Third Reich (Nazi Germany)
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Post by karl on May 16, 2015 12:16:29 GMT -7
Pieter
A bit of rememberence of history long past gone. Yes, it is such a shame Adolf Hitler destroyed the nation of Germany with the wars and his programmes of racial hatred. For the various programmes were very excellent in organizing such programmes for the children and young people. For withen the confines of each programme, was the benefit of learning organization/leadership/achievements through mutual co-operation. With these various programmes designed for both the young women and young men, were are also a mechanisum of treating each as equal reguardless of their home life rather be it rich/poor or middle class. Each was provided an equal opportunity between school years,to be away from their respective homes to enjoy the opportunities provided to them.
Many of those mechanisiums of those times, are still used today in our various academies. For physical exercise is a requirement in the beginning of the day with then academics with indoctrination training for proper focus and learning the designed craft. This is the standard for all Police academies and Federal.
It was interesting to see the video of Sir Winston Churchill. For he is/was a war horse from his various experiences in the Anglo/Boer wars in South Africa. He should understand the meaning of war from his being captured in a Boer action against a train he was a civilian passenger in at the time, but considered military by the Boer regiment that was responsible.
For as you see, my self am an admirer of Sir Winston Churchill for his skills in leadership and his manner of speeches as a leader. He kept a distressed nation in proper focus and prevented a loss of confidence in their government and military with his manner and expressed confidence in the face of disaster. It is such shame he could not have been cloned.
Karl
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Post by Jaga on May 16, 2015 12:19:14 GMT -7
Pieter,
I watched some of these movies about German scout girls in the countryside with interest. The girls, what they ate and how they behave reminded me of my childhood! Interesting that everything is now available online.
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Post by pieter on May 16, 2015 15:14:50 GMT -7
Dear Jaga,
It is funny that you say that the Bund Deutscher Mädel reminded you of your childhood time. I see similarities between the Nazi and communist societies, because many communist Peoples Republics were 'national' or 'patriotic' oriented in the socialist sense, closed to foreign influences. The Nazi and communist youth organizations had similarities. Both Nazism and communism had planned economies and collective agricultures.
When I see these young Nazi girls, they look exactly the same as my mother and aunt on photo's I saw about them of the thirties. The same kind of haircuts, and similar looks. The pigtails the girls wear. These German girls are stil innocent and playful, but soon they will be indoctrinated, hard core, Nazi's, future nazi housewives, who raise their children with the Nazi ideology and teachings. Some of them will become SS Nazi concentrationcamp guards later. Others will serve as breading ground for the German race in the Lebensborn, an SS-initiated, state-supported, registered association in Nazi Germany with the goal of raising the birth rate of "Aryan" children via extramarital relations of persons classified as "racially pure and healthy" based on Nazi racial hygiene and health ideology.
Those blond, blue eyed children kidnapped in the East were mostly Polish children. Some who refused to be Germanized were murdered in Nazi concentrationcamps. Other Polish children became blond German children of SS parents or NSDAP (Nazi party member) parents. If they had names like Wojtek or Irenka, they received new names like Heinz and Helga for instance, and they got the christian names of their 'new' German parents. Many of them were to young to remember their Polish parents later on, and they stayed in Germany after the war and became German citizens, with German names.
It is strange to realize that the perfect example and pure Nordic arian race of the Germans was found mainly outside Germany in the Netherlands (the Dutch of the Holland region, the Low Saxons of the Eastern regions, the Nordic Frisians in the North, and the blond and blue eyed Limburg and Brabant people of the South next to the Zeeland and Flemish farmers, sailors, fishermen and townspeople) and especially in Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Iceland and Finland. The ideal Nordic Germanic people fitting the SS and Lebensborn ideology could be find in the Northern and Prussian states in the North and the East. The Bavarians and Austrians were Southern-Germans, often dark haired and eyed. Brunette and or black haired people, with Southern influences. Adolf Hitler was such a dark Southerner, which didn't fit their own racial ideal and thus racial criteria. So the SS and NSDAP wanted to create as much of Nordic arian, North Germanic children as possible and thus they tried to persuade Northern-German women, Dutch, Flemish, Danish and Norwegian women to participate in Lebensborn. There were a lot of blond, blue eyed and tall Polish people and thus children too. Heinrich Himmler wanted these Polish children to become German and thus Germanized (stripped of their Slavic, Polish roots and heritage). So the Nazi's 'stole' these children of the Poles. These Polish children were forcibly removed from their parents households. They were seperated from their parents for good. Only a minority of them found their Polish parents again after the end of the Second World War.
Cheers, Pieter
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Post by pieter on May 16, 2015 16:19:16 GMT -7
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Post by karl on May 16, 2015 17:03:24 GMT -7
Dear Pieter and Jaga
I find this as interesting as other people, for my self do not identify with the Nazi Hitler period of that time in Germany. Just simply finding the positives that were of that time is all.
It is strange, but had not realized until Pieter has mentioned of the Nazi idea of pure Arian race as being tall, blond and blue eyed. This is zeroed into as you mentioned, the Nordics. Although my cousins and my self were/are blued eye and they were tall, my self took a bit longer in slow growth to fill out and in my late teens to then have light brown hair. But, not ever one was such as depicted, for many were dark brown hair and eyes and strong built.
Perhaps our village {then} was too small to consider by the Nazis for we had not heard of taking children from their parents until after the war.
In the manner of dress, yes, women and girls dressed as depicted in the videos in the 40s also in Denmark. Many of us young fellows though did not dress in short pants, for that was not enough protection whilst we worked in our large gardens. In summer though, we/my self wore shorts which were cut off long pants with the knees worn through. This was whilst working in the house kitchen with cooking and laundry day. For as common in our area, we did not have electricity so the irons were heated on the wood fed house heater.
After the war, there was a problem with Norwegian now adults trying to located their German fathers and families. I had learnt later after I had left, that this was also a problem in Denmark. It is a sad thing for it is heart breaking for a son or daughter trying to located a German father for their roots to be complet. But not as heart breaking as the stories of stolen Polish children for reason only of such a crazy idea of their Nordic perfect appearance in the Nazi beliefs.
Karl
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Post by pieter on May 17, 2015 14:35:50 GMT -7
Dear Karl,
I start with an ethnic and cultural joke. You as a baby, todler, child and teenager would have perfectly fit into the Lebensborn theology, ideology and thus sociology and psychology. A German father and Danish mother was a perfect arian mix in the Nazi (NSDAP) and SS ideology. The best genes and dna from two Germanic peoples. The light brown hair was no problem, not al arians can have blond hair. Some are brunette, some blond and some redhead or have black hair. The SS wanted SS soldiers and officers, who were selected for their Germanic and arian features, tall, blond and blue eyed, to have sexual relations with tall, blond and blue eyed women from Nordic, Germanic countries.
Thank god in Denmark you weren't exposed to this absurd Nazi pseudo race biology, eugenetics, Hitler Jugend indoctrination, militarism, superiority complex (with often an inferiority complex behind it under the surface), useless marching, hitler salutes (Sieg Heil and Heil Hitler), anti-semitic and anti-Slavic poison and thus you were spared a nazi education on a German nazi high school. You were in a Danish family with your auntie and cousins. Your father was serving on the East-Front in the Sovjet Union as a Wehrmacht officer of a Panzer Brigade, and your mother was a Danish woman who lived in Nazi Germany (Hamburg or Cuxhaven). For you first the German soldiers and later the British soldiers were 'the others'. You had to take care to not annoy them or avoid doing stupid things (young boys sometimes do in their playfulness), and you communicated and traded with them.
Nazism, Lebensborn, Lebensraum, the Holocaust, Goebbels Nazi propaganda, the war, large scale destruction, bombardments, razzia's, arrest and nazi terror were alien to you, because you were in a quiet corner of Denmark with just a local occupation force of the Wehrmacht. They were just there, because they occupied Denmark. Maybe I am mistaken, but that is how I see your life as a little boy there with your auntie and cousins. You weren't rich, nor had a privillaged position due to a profession or background (state official family, wealthy family or farmer). You managed to survive, but had to struggle and work hard for that. Like many people in Poland, the Netherlands and Germany too.
Cheers, Pieter
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