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Post by karl on Jan 5, 2016 17:56:33 GMT -7
PRESSEMITTEILUNG05.01.2016 – ULLA JELPKEEs darf keine Angsträume in unseren Städten und Gemeinden geben„Sollten die bisherigen Schilderungen und Erkenntnisse zutreffen und sich bis zu tausend Personen an den Übergriffen beteiligt haben, dann haben wir es in Köln nicht nur mit einer besonders perfiden Dimension von bandenmäßiger Gewaltkriminalität zu tun, sondern auch mit einem eklatanten Fall von Polizeiversagen“, sagt Ulla Jelpke, innenpolitische Sprecherin der Fraktion DIE LINKE, mit Blick auf die Silvesternacht, in der zahlreiche Frauen auf dem Domplatz vor dem Kölner Hauptbahnhof Opfer sexualisierter Männergewalt wurden. Organisierte Banden junger Männer bedrängten inmitten einer größeren Menschenmenge ihre Opfer, belästigten sie sexuell und beraubten sie dabei. In mindestens einem Fall soll es zu einer Vergewaltigung gekommen sein. Bislang wurden rund 90 Anzeigen von Betroffenen erstattet. Auch in Hamburg und Stuttgart kam es zu sexuellen Übergriffen und Raubdelikten durch offenbar organisierte Banden. Jelpke weiter: „Den Opfern gehört meine Solidarität. Ich möchte alle Betroffenen ermutigen, sich nicht durch Scham davon abhalten zu lassen, das Vorgefallene zur Anzeige zu bringen. Die Täter müssen ermittelt, verfolgt, gestellt und konsequent zur Rechenschaft gezogen werden. Nach bisherigem Kenntnisstand soll es sich bei den Tätern um aufgrund früherer Straftaten polizeibekannte Personen gehandelt haben, es gibt bislang keine Hinweise auf eine Beteiligung von Flüchtlingen. Dass die Täter nach Zeugenaussagen nordafrikanischen oder arabischen Aussehens waren, befeuert jetzt die rassistische Hetze gegen Flüchtlinge. Allerdings gibt es keinerlei Hinweise, wonach Flüchtlinge an den Straftaten beteiligt waren. Versuche, die Kölner Vorkommnisse zur Stimmungsmache gegen Flüchtlinge oder Muslime zu nutzen oder ethnische Gruppierungen pauschal unter Generalverdacht zu stellen, müssen mit aller Entschiedenheit zurückgewiesen werden. Die Ursachen des offenkundigen Polizeiversagens in der Silvesternacht müssen aufgeklärt werden. Es ist ja nicht das erste Mal, dass sich die Polizei in Köln so überfordert zeigt. Erinnert sei an die Demonstration rechtsgerichteter Hooligans im Oktober 2014, die weitgehend ungestört Teile der Innenstadt verwüsteten, während die Polizei hilflos zusah. Egal, ob sich Migranten durch Neonazis und rassistische Mobs bedroht fühlen oder Frauen durch Männergewalt: Angsträume in unseren Städten und Gemeinden darf es nicht geben." This article as written is absolutely correct in both content and motive. It was correctly written and very correct in the gross and blatant case of police failure in Cologne. For professional police are very adapt in recognizing situations before and as occurring that was occurring with these individual and organized gangs using the crowd as a cover to propagate robberies,sexual violence and harassment against their victims. Cologne was not the only location of such acts of violence, but extended to such cities as: Hamburg and Stuttgart. As presented by the presentation as indicated, the perpetrators must be determined/tracked/and consistently brought to justice. Karl
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Post by Jaga on Jan 5, 2016 23:05:26 GMT -7
I believe that we spend way too much time on this subject. It is another of these spread a fear of bad terrorists and bad invaders.... story which matches Nictoe "End of Europe" thing.....
We are just better of to let these people die in their countries, bomb them with drones and then... we just wash our hands and feel "clean" for doing nothing to help them.
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Post by pieter on Jan 6, 2016 9:19:26 GMT -7
It is different Jaga. If you have watched my German links well you could see that a lot of them were from leftwing political parties and newspapers. Not xenophobic, racist or the largest anti-refugee sources. But they spoke out against this sexist aggression against women by a group of men.
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Post by Nictoshek on Jan 6, 2016 12:12:51 GMT -7
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Post by karl on Jan 6, 2016 12:33:47 GMT -7
Nictoshek
Your update was very good in describing the reality of the moment. The Police certainly were conducting their actions very well with what they had to work with. But, this was then and now of the present, a situation that should have been better prepared for in advance. For domestic intelligence provides the warning of where and what such a violent occurrence will occur.
We have/had some time past, reached a different change with the first being the arrival of such numbers of refugees. This was and is expected to mature into an issue with young men from a formally very tightly controlled society to then arrive into a democratic and stable society such as in Germany and surrounding Western states. With this, a change of operational procedures into the mode of using resources that have not been used since the war years in control and resolution of mass movement of individuals not conforming to the requirements as set by Society of German nationals.
This means in essence for any arena of time and place of large public gathering, police resources then to be applied for control and safety of people and property alike. Force to be met with like force, then detainment in prepared detention centres for adjudication procedures to follow.
We do have a problem, and the problem is ours to solve.
Karl
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Post by Jaga on Jan 6, 2016 16:23:52 GMT -7
Pieter, I agree, this should not take place. These guys are probably not used to treat women with dignity..... what happened to German guys there? Yes, I agree that Arab guys need to learn Europeans habits, they should not live in their own world. There is also a psychology of people who are in a different society.... people sometimes behave lawless. I observed that among Polish people in Germany in 80s. Of course, this does not justify their behavior. Dear Jaga, In this case it is different. The large group of men were Arab looking foreigners and the victims were German women. It did not only took place in Cologne, but in other German cities/towns too. This is not an is isolated incident. And that large group of men were foreign migrants. It is a fact that I have native European girlfriends (Dutch women) who have negative experiences with migrant Muslim men on the streets, in public transportation, on bikelanes, and etc. And these are not xenophobic, racists, nationalist or ultra-rightwing women. They are open minded, liberal and multi-cultural. They dress decently and they want to be respected as women, citizens of a European nation and they have a right to be protected against sexism, abuse and sexual assaults. This has to stop and I hope that the German authorities will take the necassery steps. If not these women will have to stay at home in the evenings and at night. The women and girls will not have a social life of going out, dancing, Yoga lessons in the evening, or meeting friends or partners in a pub, restaurant, theatre or cinema. I agree with the blond German women in the video of RT. We don't need xenophobia and racism, but the German authorities have to examine who did this and persecute the perpetrators. In that way they can protect both German and migrant women. We are all equal for the law in Europe, and we are equal as human beings. Women and girls have as much rights as men to be in public spaces. And they have the right to have a life free of sexism, verbal and physical abuse and being chased by primitive men. Men have to control themselves, to behave themselves and to be gentlemen. How do these men treat their mothers, sisters, female cousins, aunts, grandmothers and nieces? Cheers, Pieter
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Post by pieter on Jan 7, 2016 4:48:18 GMT -7
Dear Jaga, I think we agree on two things.That the sexual violence against women is bad. It doesn't matter if it takes place in Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden, Denmmark, Poland, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Jordan, Israel/Palestine, the USA or Canada (the recent case of muders of Native American women). The thugs in Germany must be punished, wether they are Arab, North-African berbers, Turks or other people, it doesn't matter. It was good and responsible of German political leaders and media/press that they said that there were no refugees amongst these 'criminals'. That it were probably migrants, a certain criminal element of the migrant community. It is good that Merkel spoke out against the sexual violence against German women in Cologne and other German cities. There must be an investigation in what went wrong, and why the German authorities and police couldn't protect the women and girl that particular night. This was a serious news item and it was in the German, Dutch, Belgian, French and British news. We are close to Germany so it was in the Dutch headlines. Due to good and thorough news report and responsible behaviour of German politicians this terrible incident that harmed German women, did not become a xenophobic, racist nor discriminatory subject. It was about violence of men against women. We have to condem and fight against violence and sexual abouse of women all over the world. The Human rights situation of women in traditional Muslim, Christian, Hindu, but also secular or Buddhist regions and countries have to improve. Honour killings, discrimination of women and the discrimination of women on the labour market and society doesn't only take place in the Muslim world, it also takes place in India (the rape cases), China, christian countries in Africa and Asia and in the secular west. As men and women we have to fight sexism and the violation of human rights of women and girl all over the world. We are equal as men and women. The bad treatment of women in the world is one of the largest problems in the world. Therefor I have great respect for brave young women like Malala Yousafzai and the Syrian young woman Mazoun Almellehan (who is called ' The Syrian Malala). Malala YousafzaiMazoun AlmellehanMerkel condemns Cologne new year’s attacks on womenwww.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/merkel-condemns-cologne-new-year-s-attacks-on-women-1.2485735Dutch PM condemns Cologne attacks, warns against stigmatisationwww.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2016/01/dutch-pm-condemns-cologne-attacks-warns-against-stigmatisation/Rutte told RTL news ( A Dutch commercial tv chanal) on Wednesday evening he hoped the German authorities would trace the perpetrators as quickly as possible. ‘ This must be punished,’ the prime minister said. The Netherlands must also remain alert, he said: ‘ And we are. But what does not help anyone is stigmatisation and fanning the flames. So I am not going to do that.’ Cheers, Pieter
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Post by Jaga on Jan 7, 2016 15:36:15 GMT -7
Yes, I agree, we need to talk about it just because nobody got killed does not make it right. The standards for behavior are also changing for positive. 20 years ago the word "date rape" did not exist. In America they have now over 50 cases of Bill Cosby being abused of mistreating and raping unconscious women. He still does not admit to it. I still remember being lectured that women should dress modestly, otherwise they are responsible for what happen to them.
WHAT THIS COMING YEAR ISSUES WOULD BE THE MOST IMPORTANT?
I believe that Arab, mainly muslim countries would struggle for their identity a lot! The fact that so many migrants are in Europe may actually change muslim culture positively in regard to women.
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Post by pieter on Jan 9, 2016 18:52:37 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Jan 10, 2016 9:38:46 GMT -7
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Post by karl on Jan 10, 2016 11:20:56 GMT -7
Pieter Good url of information that is currant and valid. In the manner of evolution of events, this is not unexpected as events have unfolded. It is very unfortionant of those victims of abuse from thugs and rapist that is deplorable as events have disclosed. As this situation evolves, will be of various events before it matures into day to day living. Before though, will be evolving events such as modification of deportation and foreign entrance into Germany will be allowed. Before though, will be some divisions for and against these currant refugees with then currant society. Some German nationals will hold considerable reluctance to those resembling any semblance to Arab in appearance. For we must be cognizant that most of these people will be joining the work force in the future and must in this manner, find some sort of working relationship on an equal plane with German nationals, it is simple reality of living. Either they do this, or they will fail, it is a matter of reality. For in the world of today, people have not the option to live alone in separation, for some where in their existence, they must find the manner of workable association rather be it at the welfare office, or work place. It will be upon their shoulders to over come the currant dis-satisfaction their kind has created with the German Nationals. My self to speak in such manner as above for the reason of truth and reality, not as an opinion. The following is the url pertaining to the Asylum and Refugee Policy as reflected in Article 16a of the Basic Law. As time evolves, this may be modified to reflect what ever becomes necessary to meet the then requirements. www.bmi.bund.de/EN/Topics/Migration-Integration/Asylum-Refugee-Protection/Asylum-Refugee-Protection_Germany/asylum-refugee-policy-germany_node.htmlWe have now entered into untested territory requiring exploration and adjustments. Karl
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Post by kaima on Jan 10, 2016 14:22:50 GMT -7
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Post by karl on Jan 10, 2016 15:50:53 GMT -7
Kai
Thank you much for your very interesting reply and presentation of ," words of a policeman". It was refreshing to hear/read once again, a Policeman {Federal} and his experience. His manner of description is very similar to most Police as the manner that is theirs.
He most aptly was correct with the cutting of Federal Funds creating understaffing. This was one of the Chancellors ideas on saving the budget, for then to spend on other projects other then police and related public protection.
The experience of working at Central Railway Station in his description of the Spaniard is very true to that environment, for with crowds, so will be the pick pockets/bag thefts and ladies purses.
Hi mention of: Article 53 of the Residence Act, is very true, for it protects from expulsion of foreigners only in serious cases.
My self am not a policeman, but a few years back, I was invited to conduct some training classes in Hamburg in use of gas with crowd dispersal and social disobedience. I was fresh from an Israely school in use of ant-personnel gas and associated weapons use and loaned out for those occasions.
It was very interesting for my self in learning the environment Federal Police work in. I was heartly hated at the end of each class as each officer was required with out a gas protective mask, to experience the effects of each specific gas with exception of two typen which are very very nasty and dangerous, these to be used only in extreme circumstances.
I think I would have liked the work if my circumstances had been different.
Karl
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Post by Nictoshek on Jan 11, 2016 10:34:55 GMT -7
Germany on the Brink
Ross Douthat JAN. 9, 2016
ON New Year’s Eve, in the shadow of Cologne’s cathedral, crowds of North African and Middle Eastern men accosted women out for the night’s festivities. They surrounded them, groped them, robbed them. Two women were reportedly raped.
Though there were similar incidents from Hamburg to Helsinki, the authorities at first played down the assaults, lest they prove inconvenient for Angela Merkel’s policy of mass asylum for refugees.
That delay has now cost Cologne’s police chief his job. But the German government still seems more concerned about policing restless natives — most recently through a deal with Facebook and Google to restrict anti-immigrant postings — than with policing migration. Just last week Merkel rejected a proposal to cap refugee admissions (which topped one million last year) at 200,000 in 2016.
The underlying controversy here is not a new one. For decades conservatives on both sides of the Atlantic have warned that Europe’s generous immigration policies, often pursued in defiance of ordinary Europeans’ wishes, threaten to destabilize the continent.
The conservatives have made important points about the difficulty of assimilation, the threat of radicalization, and the likelihood of Paris-style and Cologne-style violence in European cities.
But they have also trafficked in more apocalyptic predictions — fears of a “Eurabia,” of mass Islamification — that were somewhat harder to credit. Until recently, Europe’s assimilation challenge looked unpleasant but not insurmountable, and the likelihood of Yugoslavian-style balkanization relatively remote.
With the current migration, though, we’re in uncharted territory. The issue isn’t just that immigrants are arriving in the hundreds of thousands rather than the tens of thousands. It’s that a huge proportion of them are teenage and twentysomething men.
In Sweden, for instance, which like Germany has had an open door, 71 percent of all asylum applicants in 2015 were men. Among the mostly-late-teenage category of “unaccompanied minors,” as Valerie Hudson points out in an important essay for Politico,” the ratios were even more skewed: “11.3 boys for every one girl.”
As Hudson notes, these trends have immediate implications for civil order — young men are, well, young men; societies with skewed sex ratios tend to be unstable; and many of these men carry assumptions about women’s roles that are diametrically opposed to the values of contemporary Europe.
But there’s also a longer term issue, beyond the need to persuade new arrivals that — to quote from a Norwegian curriculum for migrants — in Europe “to force someone into sex is not permitted.”
When immigration proceeds at a steady but modest clip, deep change comes slowly, and there’s time for assimilation to do its work. That’s why the Muslim population in Europe has been growing only at one percentage point a decade; it’s why many of the Turkish and North African immigrants who arrived in Germany and France decades ago are reasonably Europeanized today.
But if you add a million (or millions) of people, most of them young men, in one short period, you get a very different kind of shift.
In the German case the important number here isn’t the country’s total population, currently 82 million. It’s the twentysomething population, which was less than 10 million in 2013 (and of course already included many immigrants). In that cohort and every cohort afterward, the current influx could have a transformative effect.
How transformative depends on whether these men eventually find a way to bring brides and families to Europe as well. In terms of immediate civil peace, family formation or unification offers promise, since men with wives and children are less likely to grope revelers or graffiti synagogues or seek the solidarity of radicalism.
But it could also double or treble this migration’s demographic impact, pushing Germany toward a possible future in which half the under-40 population would consist of Middle Eastern and North African immigrants and their children.
If you believe that an aging, secularized, heretofore-mostly-homogeneous society is likely to peacefully absorb a migration of that size and scale of cultural difference, then you have a bright future as a spokesman for the current German government.
You’re also a fool. Such a transformation promises increasing polarization among natives and new arrivals alike. It threatens not just a spike in terrorism but a rebirth of 1930s-style political violence. The still-imaginary France Michel Houellebecq conjured up in his novel “Submission,” in which nativists and Islamists brawl in the streets, would have a very good chance of being realized in the German future.
This need not happen. But prudence requires doing everything possible to prevent it. That means closing Germany’s borders to new arrivals for the time being. It means beginning an orderly deportation process for able-bodied young men. It means giving up the fond illusion that Germany’s past sins can be absolved with a reckless humanitarianism in the present.
It means that Angela Merkel must go — so that her country, and the continent it bestrides, can avoid paying too high a price for her high-minded folly.
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Post by karl on Jan 11, 2016 14:27:30 GMT -7
Nictoshek
It is most always good to bring to the table of thought an opposing view with as of Mr. Ross Douthat. His view of Germany and his view point of the issue of immigrants and difficulty of intergration into German society. With this, the in his view, Chancellor Angela Merkel must go for the blame of the Cologne occurred situation.
Very commendable if not to know the situation, unfortunantly it would appear Mr. Douthat knows not the body of truth between Chancellor Merkel and Cologne Mayor Henrietta Recker and the five days of silence.
Cologne is the headquarters of WDR {Westdeutscher Rundfunk} and offices of Deutsche Welle. There was five days of silence of journalist until further silence was impossible other then down playing of the extent of victims assaulted.
When upon no longer was the extent of the situation was made public. Then Mayor Henrietta Recker publically announced the attack cause as being the actions of the women and proposed to develop a special code of conduct for young women and girls. The code of conduct being," do not wear shorts tight and not to appear on the streets without escort".
Chancellor Angela Merkel then to hold a telephone conversation of disclosure with Mayor Recker. The conversation consisted of expressed out rage consisting as to the ," Heinous Attacks and Harassment", and demanded strong reaction of the legal state.
It will appear by above recorded conversation, the body of responsibility has been placed upon the head of Mayor Recker. With this,the matter of vicarious responsibility is to Mayor Recker as hers alone.
Karl
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