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Post by pieter on Mar 21, 2018 0:45:56 GMT -7
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Post by Jaga on Mar 21, 2018 21:10:42 GMT -7
Pieter, interesting that you decided to discuss autism. I personally had a very difficult and negative experience with an autistic person at my work. I think we do not realize that autistic people are really difficult as coworkers, students or family members if they are not controlled or directed in right direction. Autistic kids may become lonely shooters at school settings since they don't understand human emotions.
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Post by pieter on Mar 22, 2018 18:47:10 GMT -7
Dear Jaga,
Believe me, I can shake your hand. Thank you for your frank answer and gusts to share your experience with your autistic colleague. I have autistic colleagues. I personally had very difficult and negative experience wit autistic colleagues (men) at my work too. Very demanding, dominantly present, aggressive due to tensions in their head, very self centerred and Solipsistic. With some difficulty I managed to deal with them. They need a lot of stucture, a quiet work environment, not to much stimulus. Autistic people have difficulties with recognizing facial expressions, change, busyness, interhuman conmunication, relatioships, and often take every thing and every situation very serious. What kind of autist did you had to deal with Jaga? A classical autist, a PPD-NOS person or someone with Aspergers?
I can deal with the autists at my work, but people won't like my method of working with them. I am the dominant one, I am the leader, I give orders and I can get them quiet if I have time to make them quiet. If something changes in the edit set, the camera equipment, on the PC with a new version of windows or they lose some images or can't find what they want to find they can freak out. One of the autistic colleagues sometimes has anger explosions if things become to hectic and busy in his head. In such a moment he can't handle the busyness, the stimulus of the environment (all the sounds, images, voices, smells and variety at our local broadcast corportation). He is in a state at such a moment. He can't deal with deadlines, demands, challanges, the large amount of information a cameraman and editor sometimes has.
A good editorial board, peoples manager, director, normal colleagues and his friends, neighbours and his family have to deal with him. He has a Polish girlfriend (partner) and I wonder how she coops with him and how she can live with a heavily autistic man.'
The good aspects of this man and another autistic guy who left after communication and social problems in his cooperation with a woman from our broadcast station, are the things written op the same poster about autism I posted above here.
Autism, also called classic autism or autistic disorder, developmental disorder affecting physical, social, and language skills, with an onset of signs and symptoms typically before age three. The term autism (from the Greek autos, meaning “self”) was coined in 1911 by Swiss psychiatrist Eugen Bleuler, who used it to describe withdrawal into one’s inner world, a phenomenon he observed in individuals with schizophrenia. The use of the word autism to describe the condition as it is known today originated in 1943, when Austrian-born American psychiatrist Leo Kanner distinguished the disorder from schizophrenia.
Classic autism, Asperger syndrome, and pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified (PDD-NOS) are all included within an umbrella of disorders commonly referred to as autism spectrum disorders (ASDs). In contrast to classic autism, individuals with Asperger syndrome usually do not possess major cognitive difficulties, and their IQ is in the normal or even high range. In addition, they do not exhibit a delay in language acquisition. Individuals with PDD-NOS exhibit some but not all of the same signs and symptoms as classic autism.
Signs And Symptoms
The signs and symptoms of autism are variable, ranging from mild to moderate to severe in nature. There are three major categories of signs and symptoms: (1) abnormalities in social interaction; (2) abnormalities in communication; and (3) abnormalities in behaviours, interests, and activities, which are usually restricted and repetitive. Social communication problems include a narrow range of facial expressions, poor eye contact during interactions, and difficulty establishing relationships with peers. This may result in a decreased quality of their relationships and can lead to social avoidance when severely affected. Communication problems include delayed or lack of spoken language, poor conversation skills, lack of appropriate developmental play, and diminished gestures. Repetitive behaviour problems include stereotyped motor mannerisms, such as hand flapping, restricted interests, inflexible adherence to routines, and a preoccupation for parts of objects. For example, a child with autism may play with the wheels of a toy car instead of using the car in the proper manner as a vehicle. Some children become obsessed with specific objects such as buttons and sometimes form deep attachments to these objects. In addition, disruption of routines and schedules or familiar surroundings may cause agitation and tantrums.
It is rrue that autistic people are really difficult as coworkers, students or family members if they are not controlled or directed in right direction.
Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by pieter on Mar 24, 2018 17:03:22 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Mar 24, 2018 17:05:52 GMT -7
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Post by Jaga on Mar 24, 2018 22:53:52 GMT -7
Hello Pieter. In have to deal with austistic kids at school and although I found them difficult or maybe I did not know how-to establish more personal contact, they were not that annoying like manipulating kids, with sociopathic tendencies.
I also had a friend in Poland who was autistic but very knowledgeable and I had a great respect for him, learned a lot from him and saw how other people tried to abuse and humiliate him.
The situation at work is still ongoing so it is hard for me to talk about it to the full extent. What is even worse, this man is not even diagnosed with autism, and nobodybcwn force him to do this. He verbally attacked me in front of everybody with bunch of the ridiculous claims that frankly could be constructed as positive, but he made it negative. Part of it is because he takes literally whatever is said...and cannot distinqish between a joke versus a real problem. He looks like a classical aspergen, no eye contact, monotonous voice, clinging to the structure, but he is a part of the group, sits with the rest of the grouo, while I am isolated. At leastbrecentky I stay mainly in the town. This guy is very intimidating towards me, but try to be super nice to other people who he needs for his work
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Post by pieter on Mar 25, 2018 16:54:42 GMT -7
Dear Jaga,
I am sorry for your problems and the manipulative and opportunistic behavior of the Closet autist at your work. I can understand your situation due to the fact that I had to work with very autistic people at my work to with PPD-NOS in combination with AHAD, and Asperger people. If people recognise that they have autisme their environment can coop with it due to adaptions made at work to make it easier for the Autistic person to work. But a closet Autist will be difficult. He probably fears being recognized as autist and will not see that other people do notice that he is autistic.
This guy looks like a psychopath and creap to me. I can be very strict, tight and dominant to autistic colleagues, because I don't want that they become to difficult or to demanding. We try to create structure, rest and some clear program instructions for these people. But if something changes, new software, new equipment, new tools, they can snap and get bezirk. They can't stant changes, chaos, lack of structure, lack of clear rules and everything has to be done in a precise manner.
Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by pieter on Mar 25, 2018 17:01:28 GMT -7
I am sorry that your autistic friend in Poland was abused and humiliated by other people. These people often live in fear, and are not good in defending themselves.
They need a safe environment with structure, soberness, clearness and a job they can do. Autistic people are often good at computers. Some ICT companies have Autistic people as employees.
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Post by Jaga on Mar 26, 2018 21:05:57 GMT -7
Pieter, life is difficult sometimes and we need to deal with all sort of people. We are probably not easy for some other people to deal with.
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