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Post by pieter on Apr 11, 2019 16:17:08 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Apr 11, 2019 16:18:01 GMT -7
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Post by Jaga on Apr 11, 2019 22:21:05 GMT -7
This guy is a courageous person to admit that. Unfortunately Netanyahu won the election, which is not that strange since many people in Israel: Arabs and many Palestinians have no rights.
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Post by karl on Apr 12, 2019 11:37:14 GMT -7
Pieter
To out right say that Mr. Netanyahu is a war criminal is an aberration of the truth. Yes, Mr. Netanyahu is forceful speaks out with out hesitation, but he must do this for it is his reponsibility by virtue of his position of leadership he represents to the nation and the people of Israel. If these were better times, perhaps his actions would be less forceful.
These times demand the person that he {Netanyahu} is made of, for his is the skills of military service/political leadership and survival in an arena of power hunters with out conscience, and some how he perseveres. Perhaps this may be his last time in this arena before retirement, who knows.
Karl
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Post by pieter on Apr 12, 2019 16:00:00 GMT -7
 The Reformatorisch Dagblad is a Dutch protestant newspaper with a circulation of around 60,000, headquartered in Apeldoorn. The conservative[2] newspaper was founded in 1971 and is associated with the Reformed Political Party; it is one of only a handful daily national papers remaining in the Netherlands. To honor the day of rest, pages on their website are not available on Sundays.Van Agt: Rocket attacks on Israel no problem Old-prime minsiter Van Agt. iamge ANP, Remko de Waal The two-state solution for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is completely out of the picture and the Netherlands is partly responsible for that. "It's hard to hold my beak in reproach against Israel."
Former Prime Minister Dries van Agt said harsh words to the Dutch government and parliament on Thursday. In the Nieuwspoort press center in The Hague, the former CDA Prime Minister (1977-1982) presented his new book "Palestine in distress".
In uniplomatic terms, he made it clear that the Netherlands has done nothing "to show some impression of solidarity and seeking justice against the Palestinians." "I am ashamed of my own country"
For years, 88-year-old Van Agt has been strongly opposed to the Dutch line-up. This is in contrast to the time he was prime minister; Van Agt was then pro-Israel.ErrorTo label Hamas a terrorist organization is "an error." It is a resistance movement and may it not use violence against the occupier? Of course you can! "
Rocket attacks on Israel are not a problem in themselves. The only thing that could be blamed on Hamas is that the missiles are not properly adjusted towards Israeli military targets, Van Agt argued. Nowadays, civilians are also victims of those shelling. "That's criminal." However, he immediately confronted with mitigating circumstances: "Hamas does not have the technology to accurately fire rockets."Boycott
The former politician also gave the Lower House of it. He recently voted in favor of an international definition of anti-Semitism, and is largely against boycotting Israel. "Have we been completely fed up with the rats?" Boycotting Israel (through the so-called BDS movement, ed.) Is an economic means, one of the few weapons to defend against the oppressive occupation. "
According to Van Agt, Palestinian Christians have also 'explicitly' asked whether countries want to use this 'non-violent means'.
When asked if there are new things in his book, he responds a little annoyed: “It is a call to the last wobbles, the last slow spirits. An urgent call to act. Death is approaching, I am trying to scare people. " |
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Post by pieter on Apr 13, 2019 3:22:25 GMT -7
Folks,
I posted this as a sort of news, opinion, one of the Dutch political flavor items. I never voted for this guy, think he has the right to his opinion and free speech and freedom of organisation rights. He is a voice of the Palestinian cause in the Netherlands, connected to other voices for the Palestinian cause like Gretta Duisenberg, Het Nederlands Palestina Komitee (NPK) (the Netherlands Palestine committee) of Bertus Hendriks and the Palestinian Dutchman Ibrahim Al-Baz and people of Een Ander Joods Geluid (A Different Jewish Voice) founded by (EAJG) Anneke Mouthaan (a peace activist) and Harry de Winter (producer, television host), and co-operates with SIVMO (Steuncomité Israëlische Vredesgroepen en Mensenrechtenorganisaties) (Support Committee Israeli Peacegroups and Human Rights Organisations).
A book was published in 2003, called Een ander Joods geluid – Kritische opvattingen over Israël (A different Jewish voice – Critical opinions on Israel), written by numerous prominent Dutch Jews, including Hedy d'Ancona, Milo Anstadt, Dieuwertje Blok, Hajo Meyer, and Harry de Winter. At a Pro Palestinian demonstration on the Dam square in Amsterdam. A Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) activist.They face fierce criticism from many Dutch jews and Dutch Israeli's and some rightwing christians and secular rightwingers with a Pro-Israel orientation. I sometimes find Dries van Agt to fierce and to one sided. But that is just my opinion. He can't see the Israeli side and only sees the Palestinian narrative.
Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by karl on Apr 13, 2019 11:36:49 GMT -7
Pieter
Speaking only for my self, it is your journalistic training and intrinsic manner of presenting both sides of an respective situation. My self do understand this, and hold great respect to your presentations.
It always never ceases to amaze me of the vast differences of opinions in our known world. For how the Israelis can be so universally hated, and yet German people have for the most part been forgiven of the war. For of all people, the Israelis were almost totally murdered off the face of Europe for their only sin of being: Israelis
Karl
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Post by pieter on Apr 13, 2019 16:25:29 GMT -7
Dear Karl,
I have to be critical of your latest post, because in my perspective Israeli's and Diaspora jews are not the same entity, nor the same nationality. European diaspora jews only share some religious, ethnic and cultural similarities with the Israeli's, but Dutch jews, German Jews, British Jews, Polish Jews, Hungarian jews, Austrian jews and Russian jews are very Dutch, German, British, Polish, Hungarian, Austrian, Russian and European. They often don't share the Israeli Hebrew language culture, the Middle eastern way of life, nor the Israeli culture, food and mentality.  European French jews during a demonstration in Paris France Israeli jews in IsraelIsraeli's can be Israeli jews, Israeli Sunni Muslim Arabs, Israeli Arab Christians, Israeli desert bedouins of the Negev desert, Israeli Druze, Israeli Armenians or Israeli Bahai people from Haifa. Anti-Israel sentiments, anti-zionism, and hatred against Israeli's also targets European Diaspora jews, also some of them who have no connection or interest in Israel, but because they are linked to Israel they get tagetted.
Of all people, the European Ashkenazi and Sephardic jews were almost totally murdered off the face of Europe for their only sin of being European diaspora jews. Many of the survivors of the Holocaust (Shoah) moved with the great Exodus to Israel in 1945, 1946, 1947 and 1948. These European Jewish Holocaust survivors transformed their identity, took new Hebrew names, learned Hebrew, served in the Israeli army and became new Israelis. Their children who were born in Israel became Sabra (Hebrew: צבר, tzabar) is a Jew born in Israel. The term alludes to a tenacious, thorny desert plant, known in English as prickly pear, with a thick skin that conceals a sweet, softer interior. The cactus is compared to Israeli Jews, who are supposedly tough on the outside, but delicate and sweet on the inside. In 2010, over 4,000,000 Israeli Jews (70%) were sabras, with an even greater percentage of Israeli Jewish youths falling into this category. In 2015, about 75% of Israel's Jewish population was native-born.
The Jewish population of Israel is diverse. Jews from eastern and western Europe, the Middle East and North Africa, Central Asia, North America, and Latin America have been immigrating to this area since the late 19th century. Differing in ethnic origin and culture, they brought with them languages and customs from a variety of countries. The Jewish community today includes survivors of the Holocaust, offspring of those survivors, and émigrés escaping anti-Semitism. The revival of Hebrew as a common language and a strong Israeli national consciousness have facilitated the assimilation of newcomers to Israel but not completely eradicated native ethnicities. For example, religious Jews immigrating to Israel generally continue to pray in synagogues established by their respective communities. Religious Jewry in Israel constitutes a significant and articulate section of the population. As such, it is often at odds with a strong secular sector that seeks to prevent religious bodies and authorities from dominating national life. The two main religious-ethnic groupings are those Jews from central and eastern Europe and their descendants who follow the Ashkenazic traditions and those Jews from the Mediterranean region and North Africa who follow the Sephardic. There are two chief rabbis in Israel, one Ashkenazi and one Sephardi. Tension is frequent between the two groups, largely because of their cultural differences and the social and political dominance of the Ashkenazim in Israeli society. Until recently, it was generally true that the Sephardim tended to be poorer, less educated, and less represented in higher political office than the Ashkenazim. Chief Sephardi Rabbi Yitzhak Yosef, right, and Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi David Lau attend a New Year's ceremony of the Israel Police Command at the National Headquarters of the Israel Police in Jerusalem on September 7, 2015. (Yonatan Sindel/Flash90)ReligionIsrael comprises a major part of the Holy Land, a region of significant importance to all Abrahamic religions – Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Druze and Bahá'í Faith.
The religious affiliation of Israeli Jews varies widely: a social survey from 2016 made by Pew Research indicates that 49% self-identify as Hiloni (secular), 29% as Masorti (traditional, conservative), 13% as Dati (religious) and 9% as Haredi (ultra-Orthodox). Haredi Jews are expected to represent more than 20% of Israel's Jewish population by 2028.
Ultra-Orthodox Jews celebrate the end of the Jewish holiday of Shavuot in Jerusalem’s Old City on June 12, 2016. Credit: Shlomi Cohen/Flash 90.
Making up 17.6% of the population, Muslims constitute Israel's largest religious minority. About 2% of the population is Christian and 1.6% is Druze. The Christian population primarily comprises Arab Christians, but also includes post-Soviet immigrants, the foreign laborers of multinational origins, and followers of Messianic Judaism, considered by most Christians and Jews to be a form of Christianity. Members of many other religious groups, including Buddhists and Hindus, maintain a presence in Israel, albeit in small numbers. Out of more than one million immigrants from the former Soviet Union, about 300,000 are considered not Jewish by the Chief Rabbinate of Israel.Sources: Encyclopedia Britannica and encyclopedia Wikipedia
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Post by karl on Apr 13, 2019 18:59:24 GMT -7
Pieter
Thank you for being critical to my post reply, I do not mind for do invite for any correction, for in this manner, we each learn more of the subject at hand. Truth is: My reply was overly broad with out specifics, it was good you caught this..
For many years past whilst a University student, one of our professors towards end of class made this statement to us students: We here teach you our curriculum and we then teach you how to learn once you leave our care, he then looked me in the eye with this, even to our young Frisian..
Karl
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Post by Jaga on Apr 13, 2019 21:43:45 GMT -7
Pieter:
interesting post and pictures
from your post
+++Making up 17.6% of the population, Muslims constitute Israel's largest religious minority. About 2% of the population is Christian and 1.6% is Druze.+++
That is a problem for any less hard-cored person than Netanyahu to win the elections.
referring to religion affiliation- here in the US majority of Jews are probably non-religions, maybe except the NYC and a couple of more traditional places.
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