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Post by kaima on Dec 12, 2007 16:04:42 GMT -7
Kai, I was waiting for your reply. But I expected it to be wiser. You seem to have missed a nice opportunity to show some intelligence. Instead of wisely commenting on the topic of the recent discussion, you prefer to say something so trivial. That`s a thought couch potato style. But it`s your choice! hahahahaha Wisdom is hard to express in a hurry, and these snatches of my attention have been in between cleaning and final packing for the Euro Trip tonight. No, I do not consider the extremes of nastiness you can demonstrate to be trivial, but that and many other things are topics for another day. Having lived overseas for years I learned there is no need for me to 'defend' my country. The gummn't does what it wishes to, and I do what I wish to. They don't listen to my advice at all and I do the minimum of what they demand in my personal life. So I express my own opinions, not theirs. My opinions do not change with parties or presidents but with my own analysis and reason, and a healthy distrust of gummn't. By the way, 'gummn't' is one way of writing vulgar expression of 'government' that carries a certain distain. Well, this computer is about to be shut off and put away, and following correspondence will be from the laptop going over to the Slovak Republic. It is shocking that wages are so much lower over there but computers are so much cheaper over here. Hopefully the kids will gain some familiarity for the future through it. That is presuming that the computer continues to influence our future so heavily as it does today. Kai
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Post by Pawian on Dec 12, 2007 23:02:15 GMT -7
Kai, I was waiting for your reply. But I expected it to be wiser. You seem to have missed a nice opportunity to show some intelligence. Instead of wisely commenting on the topic of the recent discussion, you prefer to say something so trivial. That`s a thought couch potato style. But it`s your choice! hahahahaha Wisdom is hard to express in a hurry, and these snatches of my attention have been in between cleaning and final packing for the Euro Trip tonight. No, I do not consider the extremes of nastiness you can demonstrate to be trivial, but that and many other things are topics for another day. Having lived overseas for years I learned there is no need for me to 'defend' my country. The gummn't does what it wishes to, and I do what I wish to. They don't listen to my advice at all and I do the minimum of what they demand in my personal life. So I express my own opinions, not theirs. My opinions do not change with parties or presidents but with my own analysis and reason, and a healthy distrust of gummn't. By the way, 'gummn't' is one way of writing vulgar expression of 'government' that carries a certain distain. Well, this computer is about to be shut off and put away, and following correspondence will be from the laptop going over to the Slovak Republic. It is shocking that wages are so much lower over there but computers are so much cheaper over here. Hopefully the kids will gain some familiarity for the future through it. That is presuming that the computer continues to influence our future so heavily as it does today. Kai I am so sorry but this reply isn`t adequate either. Can`t you really read what is written to you in, as I presume, normal English?? Where did I write anything about the government? ?? What the matter is all about was common Americans whom Charles compared to Nazis. All the brawl that followed later started after Charles`s shocking statement. When I defended Americans, you accuse me of beer hall discussion? Are you really OK? Besides, the rest of your answer. What are you talking about? The influence of computers on Slovakian children`s life ? Man, have you just dropped from a fir tree in Alaska? If you really have to answer me like that, I `d rather you abstain from it altogether. I don`t need such bull droppings and you are making a parody here.
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Post by valpomike on Dec 13, 2007 9:50:53 GMT -7
Charles,
What is with Northern German? Why does this make a difference? No one, I think wanted to upset you, but it looks like it did. This thing with the Germans killing so many Polish, even with it being over fifty years ago, will not go away, as long as we, know of people who were killed by the Germans.
Michael Dabrowski
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Post by livia on Dec 13, 2007 11:00:22 GMT -7
What the matter is all about was common Americans whom Charles compared to Nazis. All the brawl that followed later started after Charles`s shocking statement.
When I defended Americans, you accuse me of beer hall discussion?
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The matter is twofold. First it is a trial to dilute the Nazi German genocidal war by comparing it to Vietnam/Korea/Kosovo. Yes Kosovo too! And second it is an agreement for such comparisons with only one person, a teacher from Poland objecting.
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Post by Pawian on Dec 13, 2007 11:02:40 GMT -7
I was really shocked. In a way I am still shocked but not emotionally anymore. And I have learned something new. Why didn`t you join in and speak your mind? It could be more enjoyable than it was......
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Post by livia on Dec 13, 2007 11:13:13 GMT -7
Why didn`t you join in and speak your mind? It could be more enjoyable than it was......[/quote] I am afraid if I speak up the forum would turn into hell Charles was called a decent person by some members here. What he wrote, the way he wrote is not decent. I had a decision to make. Say goodbye now or wait. As you see I chose the second option.
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Post by livia on Dec 13, 2007 11:30:44 GMT -7
If perhaps I am the person to bear to you in shock, of this, I am deeply very sorry. For I have forgotten my manners of that I must regain. For to say that I am North German as an excuse, is not reason of enough.
What only I do ask, is to have only of a little patience for the storm clouds to dis-abate.
For you are a valuable member, and as a person, I would not wish to risk your loss to us...
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Hello Charles, I am not a valuable member. At least yet. And I am not angered with you, I am saddened. I wish you could see how the world is beautiful. I understand you are a man of action, and I even understand that someone has to do that action, but still.... What saddened me most. Shocked. "The Nazi fools gave reason to destroy Germany".... the war was bad because YOUR homeland was destroyed... not holocaust, not 'polonocaust', not Warszawa torn down. I don't blame you for your viewpoint, it is as it is. But I was shocked. But learned something about ONE German man. Hopefully one.
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Post by Pawian on Dec 13, 2007 11:34:28 GMT -7
I am afraid if I speak up the forum would turn into hell Charles was called a decent person by some members here. What he wrote, the way he wrote is not decent. I had a decision to make. Say goodbye now or wait. As you see I chose the second option. Liv, you shouldn`t leave the forum because of such disturbances. It is normal in forums that people differ, some even present very controvercial opinions. Right now, in another thread Charles is boasting of blowing ears of a prisoner of war. It sounds very sick but also childish, so I don`t know what he wants to achieve by bragging like that. Probably to scare me hahahahahaha But I prefer to ignore it in the sense that I don`t care too much and prefer to do my job, namely presenting my opinions no matter what consequences might be. The same is with Kaima`s silly remarks. If I cared too much, I would have landed in Kobierzyn (Krakow`s Tworki) long ago hahahahaha
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Post by livia on Dec 13, 2007 11:46:12 GMT -7
Kobierzyn (Krakow`s Tworki) long ago hahahahaha
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Oh, so you know Tworki. From the book by Bieńczyk or Jerzy Krzysztoń's Obłęd?
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Post by Pawian on Dec 13, 2007 11:56:25 GMT -7
oh, so you know Tworki. From the book by Bieńczyk or Jerzy Krzysztoń's Obłęd? I learnt the word when I was about 10, it was in the book about a female juvenile delinquent, by Janina Zającówna. The girl was sent to a correction center and when she misbehaved there, she was warned about being sent to Tworki. A fascinating literature, I know it by heart! hahahaha
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Post by bescheid on Dec 13, 2007 12:24:31 GMT -7
If perhaps I am the person to bear to you in shock, of this, I am deeply very sorry. For I have forgotten my manners of that I must regain. For to say that I am North German as an excuse, is not reason of enough. What only I do ask, is to have only of a little patience for the storm clouds to dis-abate. For you are a valuable member, and as a person, I would not wish to risk your loss to us... Charles Hello Charles, I am not a valuable member. At least yet. And I am not angered with you, I am saddened. I wish you could see how the world is beautiful. I understand you are a man of action, and I even understand that someone has to do that action, but still.... What saddened me most. Shocked. "The Nazi fools gave reason to destroy Germany".... the war was bad because YOUR homeland was destroyed... not holocaust, not 'polonocaust', not Warszawa torn down. I don't blame you for your viewpoint, it is as it is. But I was shocked. But learned something about ONE German man. Hopefully one.[/quote] Livia I must first contradict your statement. For you are a valuable member! This is indeed so... In as much to the subject of the war and Holocaust and of my concern for my country. Of course this is true. For I speak as truth of my concern of my own country contrary to a foreign country. The Holocaust is history, the present is now. We live in the present, not the Holocaust. I am very sure, I am not the 1st German you have had occasion to discuss with. As so there should not be any surprise. For what I have mentioned, should not be a surprise or shock. It is simple logic. Charles
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Post by livia on Dec 13, 2007 12:38:26 GMT -7
It is simple logic. Charles[/quote] Charles, if you don't like WWII just because your country lost, you are in the back mind ready for another war. The Germans I talked to are at least aware of the horrors Germany brought to Jews. They don't want the war beacuse they don't want the war. You don't want your country to loose. You don't serve your homeland well. And I feel you are still fighting. In your head the world is war. pl.youtube.com/watch?v=d-s53IEAf4wYou say logic. I use logic everyday. Where's logic in genocide?
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Post by bescheid on Dec 13, 2007 12:53:32 GMT -7
Charles, What is with Northern German? Why does this make a difference? No one, I think wanted to upset you, but it looks like it did. This thing with the Germans killing so many Polish, even with it being over fifty years ago, will not go away, as long as we, know of people who were killed by the Germans. Michael Dabrowski Michael We must come to reality here, Ok? You are using a bait and switch game here. You are using people as a promotion of your own pleasure. You apologize, ask of a question, then switch to use that as an argument. Ok? I think you agree, we must begin to think of others with a more diversified subject matter. Do not you agree? I am very confident, you have a varied experience with your personal travels to Poland and of your relatives and your experiences in your visits. Now Michael, this would be an excellent time, to describe with your own threads of these visits, do not you agree? Charles
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Post by bescheid on Dec 13, 2007 13:14:00 GMT -7
It is simple logic. Charles Charles, if you don't like WWII just because your country lost, you are in the back mind ready for another war. The Germans I talked to are at least aware of the horrors Germany brought to Jews. They don't want the war beacuse they don't want the war. You don't want your country to loose. You don't serve your homeland well. And I feel you are still fighting. In your head the world is war. pl.youtube.com/watch?v=d-s53IEAf4wYou say logic. I use logic everyday. Where's logic in genocide? [/quote] Livia Actually, this is one of the very few areas I even hear of the war. For some reason it seems to concentrate here. Thank you for the url for the {Zombies}. Have you the occasion to see them? I like their music. and the lead singer is very cute.. Charles
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Post by Pawian on Dec 13, 2007 13:14:16 GMT -7
Michael We must come to reality here, Ok? You are using a bait and switch game here. You are using people as a promotion of your own pleasure. You apologize, ask of a question, then switch to use that as an argument. Ok? Yes, that is correct reasoning hahahaha Unfortunately, you have taken the bait and hence all our problems.....
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