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Post by Jaga on Jul 9, 2020 22:35:14 GMT -7
Right now over 130 th Americans lost their lives officially due to Covid. How big is this number compared to the other deaths. It is actually more than I expected - about 6-7- thousands people die daily, so if 1 th die of pandemic it is more than 10%. So this is a real hazard and danger. Here is a statistics from 2017 www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htmeaths and Mortality Data are for the U.S. Number of deaths: 2,813,503 Death rate: 863.8 deaths per 100,000 population Life expectancy: 78.6 years Infant Mortality rate: 5.79 deaths per 1,000 live births Source: Deaths: Final Data for 2017, tables 1, 3, 13 pdf icon[PDF – 2 MB] Number of deaths for leading causes of death: Heart disease: 647,457 Cancer: 599,108 Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936 Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201 Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383 Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404 Diabetes: 83,564 Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,672 Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 50,633 Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173 |
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Post by pieter on Jul 10, 2020 0:30:41 GMT -7
Folks,
My biggest fear is the psychological, mental problems caused by COVID19 (Corona), due to fear anxiety, extreme loneliness and isolation of some younger single people and elderly people.
I witnessed strange behavoir of lonely people, being bewildered, stressed, alienated and weird (confused) after months of isolation. A dear colleague, a single man who was open and frank about his somberness and depression. This man is for sick leave at home now.
Alarming text messages and whatsapp messages of a single friend of mine with extreme few friends. He couldnt coop with the fact that one of his last few instances of meeting a friend at a pub or restaurant was blocked. A few times a month we went to café‘s as friends.
That fact that he was forced to isolation and Zero contacts for months (March, April, May) had some damaging effect in him and I tried to stay in contact and we went for walks while keeping our 1,5 distance and cycled together also with the same distance.
The same with a girlfriend of mine, a single secretary friend of mine who worked in an empty office for months without seeing colleagues who worked at home.
I saw the psychological damage COVID 19 did with these friends and colleagues. Myself I am used to being alone and loneliness. But the emptiness, empty broadcast station, empty city, empty strreets and not even seeing my neighbours also had it’s affect on me (somberness).
For 3 months I saw sometimes 3 people on the street when I went to work, when I normally saw hundreds or thousands of people on the streets of Arnhem. It was an unnatural situation and going to crowded supermarkets over here was not a pleasant phenomenon. Due to less educated, ignorant or anti-Covid measure rebellious people who didn’t keep their distance or indifferent people.
Thank god things have normalized and relaxed a bit. I can coop with the present more social 1,5 meter social distancing society.
Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by karl on Jul 10, 2020 9:40:38 GMT -7
Jaga and Pieter
Jaga, it is as you have brought forward of the facts and consequences of this situation dealing with a very contagious desease. It is a present and dangerious situation with out as of the presence, no end in sight. It is as it is, a biological war fare designated by as we know at present, mother nature. For as we as people of travel and social togatherness, is one of the natural requirements it would appear as our collective nature, and as it plays out, one of our most serious faults.
Time will tell how this all will play out in our future.
Pieter
How well do I understand your feelings and concerns of others. For also my self do share such feelings, but must also understand and realize that of my own life and that of my families as first. For if we as individuals first consider our selves and our families, then we have the capacity to help others with a strong foundation to stand upon for not to then falter for what ever reason. It is not selfish of my words, just simply reality of life.
Some many years past, was my self to know and learn to deal with loneliness with the gradual loss of those I loved and who cared for me whilst a child and growing up. For then to be in a world without the Frisian closeness, but in exchange, a new life of learning with opportunities that had been above my reach. With this though, the pitfalls that come with exposure to the wills of life that come with maturation.
We as people now face a new threat of a desease that is all conquiring for at least the time being. But, the worse will be in our future for many, for once the medicine is developed and ready for use, will come the question of: Who will be those to give it to first..With this, for such as vast number of sickness, supplies will be expected to be limited and with this, will be cost of each enoculation and who will pay for it. For then will be the expected reality of limited supplies that will be in short supply until production is built up to meet public demand.
For as above, we as human beings are facing our first test, but more and perhaps the worse test will be in front of us with reality overseeing the needs of the have to the have nots.
Karl
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Post by karl on Jul 11, 2020 11:35:03 GMT -7
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Post by kaima on Jul 11, 2020 12:54:02 GMT -7
My situation is close to ideal. It could only go better for me if I were in Taiwan for a very long time rather than the disastrous United States with its Great American Infection rate. Thank you, tyranno-Trump! I single out Taiwan, as it impressed me as the cleanest country in terms of personal hygene I have encountered, and they are a disciplined people. The international statistics bear out that they have done a great job of getting and keeping the pandemic under control.
For any of us, anywhere, however, we will see how the virus flies with time.
The only high risk factor that I share is age but with all that I am in relatively good shape, so if I get the virus the complications that come with compounding health issues should not affect me. Yes, I am in a position where I only need worry about me and my immediate family, brother and sisters. I am retired with an assured income, so employment and paying my bills is not a problem. I am not bored in 'isolation', having started out as a loner to a fair degree and being comfortable with my own company. Then that is not even a factor, as I am deeply engaged in helping my partner build a house and that includes enough work to keep many men busy for years to come. So by the time the pandemic is under control (next year?), we will be ready to travel and enjoy once again when it is relatively safe. It will be interesting to see what this Brave New World looks like.
It seems the world economy is going to do what it is going to do without my influence, so I am not worried about that. The only worry I have in that regard is the world for the grandkids and the challenges they have to face, and the idiots we have allowed to become some of our national and world leaders. Yes, I am thinking of Trump, Hungary, Poland and the rise of right wing dictatorships and corruption today on scales we have not witnessed before , or that I have at least been oblivious to. It would be nice to know we are leaving a stable, peaceful world for those who follow us, with an economy that provides opportunity for a decent standard of living. In that regard I feel extremely fortunate to have enjoyed the prosperity I have, and quite ashamed at the national debts my parents and my generation has built up to support this standard of living.
So I am in a small town with very little contact with other people, and that for short periods of time, and then even with all the non-mask fanatics, it is rather safe where I am now, and where I will be spending most of my time in the foreseeable future.
Thus my vote.
Kai
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Post by Jaga on Jul 11, 2020 13:26:32 GMT -7
Pieter, I completely understand you point. I think that in the beginning people did not take into account the psychological issues and the fact that many people have no family around. for single people living in the cities, the street, or safe place in the bars provided the commmunication that they are missing now.This situation wil increase suicide rate or psychological problems and also change the way we live and work.
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Post by Jaga on Jul 11, 2020 14:24:52 GMT -7
Karl,
It is so good that you have a global perspective. How are you children doing? Do they live in the US or Canada? When was the last time you were able to go to Germany? I see that there are many deaths in Mexico, but I hope that Pueblo is safe, especially if you keep yourself safe at home.
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Post by Jaga on Jul 11, 2020 14:34:47 GMT -7
Kai,
what a cheerful and optimistic outlook, if the only worry for you are the right wing fanatics. We have elections in Poland tomorrow and I worry that the polulistic guy, Duda will win which is bad for democracy, since there is no balance when the president and the prime-ministe are both in Kaczynski's hands.
The left wing in Poland has its own problems and I wish instead of suddencly trying to promise everybody everything they were trying to be more truthful and fight the corruption in government that exists in both parties.
As for Alaska - in Idaho is the same. The nature is still the same and beautiful. I love nature, I feel for all these people who are confined to their cities. We can get out and enjoy and maybe this is a time to be more local and travel local and rockies are just for that.
We should invest in our house now, but we were talking about it for the last two months and did nothing yet...
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Post by karl on Jul 11, 2020 15:52:19 GMT -7
Jaga
Thank you for your very thoughtful reply and thoughts of my children. Yes, both live in the USA and both are business people and doing very well for they deal in realestate and work mainly on the computer in home and office. For their protection, my work I keep separate from them in as well my wife, bless her..
It has been some time since to set foot on German soil and for that matter, Dänmark, both I do miss. It is the salt air also I do miss and once at least to be in a world of same people in the stead of strangers as has been of the last few years.
Once yearly for the reason of both requirements and that of my age, I must pass a physical exam each year to keep at my work, so far it has been very well. Although of two weeks ago, my pacer recorded some issues of concern to the technical people, which they then relayed to our physician as they should. The issues from the report given to him {Physician} was then gone over and his report was the issue was of concern but not to require medical attention at this time. Yes, I was very happy with that to say of least, what I must do though, is take a baby aspirin once daily for clot prevention.
Karl
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Post by Jaga on Jul 14, 2020 21:13:24 GMT -7
Karl, thanks for the update. I am glad that your children are doing well. You are probably the safest at your home in Pueblo for now. Europe seem to be doing well, but the travel is just so limited.
In the US we have more cases even in Idaho. The situation is really unstable. Today the number of deaths was almost a thousand.
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Post by Jaga on Sept 24, 2020 21:24:11 GMT -7
Karl, Pieter, Kai and all, how is your Covid situation now? We did not have any Covid in the town wheer I am in Idaho Falls, but we have now, since it travels and people do not obey social distancing. I actually talked with a person at my work who had a bad Covid case and it impacted my getting a badge I needed. This person was infected by a guard who did not have a good mask.
I am also aware of many psychological problems Covid brings. I had a tragedy in my family in Poland. My niece became a widow with two small children 7 and 10.5 and in a way I blame Covid for it although her husband did not die of Covid.
Life is difficult.
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Post by pieter on Sept 24, 2020 23:28:26 GMT -7
My biggest concern about Corona na are the financial-economical effect of it in combination with the psychological and health effect of it. An Amsterdam friend of mine is staying with me in Arnhem. He said that today certain famous horeca places are empty or closed in the city. Unemployment is rising and certain sectors like horeca, the entertainment and cultural sectors are hit hard. Horels, restaurants, café’s and taxi companies went bankrupt. That is worrisome.
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Post by pieter on Sept 24, 2020 23:29:49 GMT -7
But we continue living with the necessary measures that were and are taken by our responsible national, regional and local authorities.
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