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Post by Jaga on Jun 23, 2023 20:32:22 GMT -7
All, it is quite surprising how Russia seem to fall apart. I hope that this situation would at least weaken Putin's regime news.yahoo.com/russian-mercenary-chief-appears-threaten-203300794.htmlWagner mercenary chief calls for armed rebellion against Russian military leadership
The head of Russia's Wagner mercenary group appears to be threatening an armed rebellion against Russia's military leadership, after accusing it of deliberately shelling his forces on Friday. Wagner's founder Yevgeny Prigozhin in an audio message on Friday claimed his forces would now punish Russia's defense minister and chief of general staff, telling other units to stand down and not offer resistance. "There are 25,000 of us and we are coming to sort things out. ... Those who want to join us, it's time to finish with this mess," Prigozhin said.
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Post by pieter on Jun 24, 2023 3:53:54 GMT -7
Jaga,
This can turn nasty if Vladimir Putin (born 7 October 1952) reorganises his army and for instance ask his long time ally Ramzan Kadyrov (born 5 October 1976), the current Head of the Chechen Republic, for help. Kadyrov could send in his 141st Special Motorized Regiment, to help to crush a Wagner group rebellion. The 141st Special Motorized Regimental is also known as the Kadyrovites, Kadyrovtsy (from Russian: Кадыровцы, lit. 'Kadyrov's followers') and Akhmat special forces unit after Akhmad Kadyrov. The 141st Special Motorized Regiment is a paramilitary organization in Chechnya, Russia, that serves as the protection of the Head of the Chechen Republic. Besides the 141st, units considered "Kadyrovites" also include the Chechen branches of OMON (special police units within the National Guard of Russia) and SOBR (the Special Rapid Response Unit, a spetsnaz unit of the National Guard of Russia). Ramzan Kadyrov (born 5 October 1976), the current Head of the Chechen RepublicPutin could also employ the Rosgvardiya, the National Guard of the Russian Federation (Russian: Федеральная служба войск национальной гвардии Российской Федерации, romanized: Federal'naya sluzhba voysk natsional'noy gvardii Rossiyskoy Federatsii, lit. ' Federal Service of the Troops of the National Guard of the Russian Federation'), lead by general Viktor Vasilyevich Zolotov, against the Wagner mercenary group of Yevgeny Prigozhin. Genral Viktor Vasilyevich Zolotov, leader (director) of the RosgvardiyaYevgeny Prigozhin, the head of the notorious Wagner GroupPutin for sure will use his Spetsnaz special forces to try to illiminate Yevgeny Prigozhin and other Wagner group commanders. And in a Russian brutal way, he will try to crush, annihilate/exterminate the Wagner group. The Russian army and special forces will use heavy means to end a Wagner rebellion quickly, because they can't use this Rebellion or Civil War right now during the present Russo-Ukrainian War (20 February 2014 – present (9 years, 4 months and 10 days). Russian Spetsnaz special forces in UkraineI hope with you that this situation would at least weaken Putin's regime, Jaga, but reality and history shows that such rebellions in difficult situations for 'big shot' leaders, made them sharp, ruthless, vicious and able to quell the rebellion. Yasser Arafat and his Fatah/PLO was attacked during the Lebanese Civil War, by rival fractions of the PFLP-GC (Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – General Command), a Pro-Syrian Palestinian Fraction and heavily armed militia. Both Arab and Israeli opponents of Arafat hoped that Arafat and his Fatah would be finished, killed, destroyed. It didn't happen. Arafat managed to survive, fight back his Palestinian rival and fled to Tunis in Tunesia, with his commanders, leading officers, Top PLO officials and his Fatah army. Later he returned to the Westbank and Gaza and took control of the Palestinian Authority and the Westbank and Gaza. You could say the same about Stalin, Sadam Hussein before the was killed, Hafez al-Assad and Bashar al-Assad. Never underestimate a shrewd Fox.
Pieter
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Post by pieter on Jun 24, 2023 4:16:14 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Jun 24, 2023 4:17:27 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Jun 24, 2023 4:47:06 GMT -7
Expert from Groningen on state of emergency in Russia: 'Putin has chosen and Prigozhin cannot survive this. Unbelievable what is happening now'Jan Westera • Today, 10:55 • GroningenTroops from Prigozhin's Wagner Army are already halfway to Moscow after his mercenaries are bombarded by the Russian army. Putin speaks of betrayal by Prigozhin. What suddenly happens? Hans van Koningsbrugge Professor of Russian History and Politics at the University of Groningen responds.How did Putin come across to you in his live TV address to the Russian people at 9 a.m. Saturday morning?“Putin looked determined, he radiated to me that it was now make or break for him. You suddenly saw a completely different style than his traditional way of dictatorial leadership, then he hovers a bit above the parties, keeps an eye on everything and makes decisions that all parties must be able to agree with. But now he has very firmly and definitively chosen his defense minister Sergei Shoigu and army chief Valeri Gerasimov. And that means that Wagner boss Prigozhin cannot survive. As for Putin.”How is this going to continue?Reason for rebellion PrigozhinThe boss of the Wagner Group's mercenary army, Yevgeny Prigozhin, is reportedly rebelling with his reported 25,000 mercenaries because his men in Ukraine were allegedly attacked by Russian air forces and many were killed. The Russian armed forces deny that Prigozhin was attacked.“Rostov very quickly fell into the hands of the Wagner army. What does that mean for Moscow? Prigozhin's troops are already halfway to the Russian capital. The situation reminds me of Napoleon from Elba. After he escaped from exile from that island, he also got a thousand followers after him. He marched on Paris and recaptured the Tuileries - all without firing a shot. I do not rule out ordinary Russian soldiers joining Prigozhin. The man is a hero in Russia. And it is not inconceivable that Prigozhin and his troops will reach Moscow and that fighting will break out in the streets of the city.”Surely there are still troops loyal to Putin there?“Yes, but what if you are now a Russian soldier? Then you really are not going to fight against Prigozhin's troops. They are the best soldiers there are, Wagner has proven that. They have already shot down three Russian army helicopters when they were attacked.”Russia expert Hans van Koningsbrugge. Photo: Peter WassingCould it be that Prigozhin sees that Russia is losing the war and that he is now preparing for it?"That scenario is also possible. In one of his last speeches, Prigozhin debunked just about every monstrosity of Russian propaganda that was supposed to justify the war against Ukraine. Prigozhin now says that NATO and Ukraine did not want to go to war with Russia, and that Ukraine has never attacked civilian targets in Russia. His statements alone are high treason.”What does Ukraine have to do with this?“This situation is of course not in favor of the Russians, because Ukraine is engaged in a counter-offensive. But whether there is any long-term benefit for Ukraine remains to be seen. If Prigozhin wins and he transforms the Russian army into the way he organized his Wagnerian mercenary army, it will be a much better army. The unwieldy way the state organized the army is in stark contrast to the way Prigozhin organizes the Wagner army trained on private principles.”You will of course follow it this weekend, what do you predict?“What will happen now, who will win? I really do not know. But it's exciting. And it's unbelievable. And yes, developments like this do make my heart beat faster. Solovyov, an influential and especially the most famous TV commentator, even quoted the bible: 'In a kingdom divided, things will never work out'. And don't forget what they're going to get through in Russia anyway. They would conquer Kyiv in three days and now a war has been going on for a year and a half and it seems that a coup is underway by Prigozhin. You should not underestimate what that does to ordinary Russians, that man is a hero.”Source:Editorial office of the Dagblad van het Noorden in Emmen in 2007. Emmen is a municipality and town of the (Low Saxon) province of Drenthe in the northeastern Netherlands. `The Dagblad van het Noorden (English: Daily of the North), abbreviated as DvhN, is a Dutch regional daily newspaper that is published and circulated in the provinces of Groningen and Drenthe in the northeastern Netherlands. The newspaper is owned by Mediahuis. Erik Wijnholds has been editor-in-chief since 2017. It had a circulation of 96,515 copies in 2015. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagblad_van_het_Noorden
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Post by pieter on Jun 24, 2023 5:05:07 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Jun 24, 2023 5:09:34 GMT -7
A replacement of Putin by Prigozhin could be bad news, if a stronger and better organised Russian army cotinues the war. But I stil do believe that Prigozhin will be killed and that the shrewd Fox Putin will hold on to power and quell the rebellion.
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Post by pieter on Jun 24, 2023 5:10:57 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Jun 24, 2023 5:15:26 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Jun 24, 2023 6:33:52 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Jun 24, 2023 6:34:52 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Jun 24, 2023 6:38:30 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Jun 24, 2023 6:41:04 GMT -7
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