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Post by varsovian on Jan 16, 2006 4:03:33 GMT -7
Oh dear. "Polish death camps" - NY Times
Why is the New York Times racist against Poles? Please don't anyone try to tell me that "Nazi death camps" takes up too much print.
Racism is racism, period.
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nancy
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Post by nancy on Jan 16, 2006 10:08:35 GMT -7
Oh dear. "Polish death camps" - NY Times AGAIN?? This happened a couple of years ago and apparently our grass roots protest has done no good at all in educating the media.
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Yanc
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Post by Yanc on Jan 17, 2006 4:36:48 GMT -7
Charles
I, as a polish recognize this problem this way:
There were a death camps (KL in short) in Poland, but by no means they were POLISH. They were Nazi German KLs, only located in Poland, same type camps were located thoroughg all occupied teritory, but these in Poland were most (in)famous.
Calling them "polish death camps" make them look like Polish were running them, what is definitely not true.
And frankly this piss me off, hearing about polish death camps in US media regulary.
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Post by jimpres on Jan 17, 2006 8:32:41 GMT -7
Yanc,
The media here in the US does not get it. You are exactly correct the camps were Nazi German KL located in Poland. I have sent letters to papers many times on this issue with no change in there reporting on the camps.
Jim
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nancy
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Post by nancy on Jan 17, 2006 9:30:23 GMT -7
I too wonder what article varsovian was referring to in his opening post. I just googled the relevant phrase, and there does not seem to be any recent article in the NYT using it. The most recent articles that I found were from about one year ago.
However, there are quite a few entries that document the use of the phrase, going back several years (1990s) and also the efforts of groups in the US, Poland, Australia, decrying its use.
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Post by suzanne on Jan 17, 2006 9:36:22 GMT -7
Like Charles, I am wondering if this is just journalistic sloppiness or the product of a journalist who doesn't understand or know about the history relating to what he/she is writing about, as opposed to out-and-out racism. (Not that that would excuse this in any way)
A link to the original article would really be helpful.
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nancy
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Post by nancy on Jan 17, 2006 9:40:51 GMT -7
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Post by suzanne on Jan 17, 2006 9:52:38 GMT -7
Thanks for that link, Nancy. Wow, I had no idea now widespread this was.
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forza
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Post by forza on Jan 17, 2006 11:13:54 GMT -7
Giving THIS topic a name: AMERICAN RACISM is rather a sign of Old Europe-an antyamericanism, period.
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Post by pieter on Jan 17, 2006 13:41:26 GMT -7
Giving THIS topic a name: AMERICAN RACISM is rather a sign of Old Europe-an antyamericanism, period. I had this simplistic anti-Americanism of some Europeans as much as I hate the anti-Francophonism of many Americans. Without any rational explenation, proof or foundation every now and then left and extreme right figures mention American racism, imperialism or American circumstances -when they want to mention a negative aspect in our own society, as poverty, the gap between rich and poor and materialism-. Often that makes no sense, because the topics they are talking about are talking about are typical European circumstances caused by historical and economical developments in the region they come from. You have legitimate criticism of the American government and elements of the American society, but some people in their disgust or hatred of America mention it as an evil empire, like the Americans justly called the Sovjet-Union in the seventees and eightees. Pieter
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