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Post by bujno on Nov 13, 2006 0:06:43 GMT -7
President of Warsaw elections, exit polls:  PO candidate ------------------------------PIS candidate Niech ¿yje Warszawa!!!  |
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Post by forza on Nov 13, 2006 0:26:57 GMT -7
Two runners up for next round from Szczecin are:  Krzystek PO  Piechota SLD current president of Szczecin Jurczyk got only 2-3%  Jurczyk  big looser Lubinska PiS Town Council: 15 PO, 11 PiS, 5 SLD % Demokraci |
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Post by bujno on Nov 13, 2006 0:31:05 GMT -7
Szczecin gór¹!!
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Post by Jaga on Nov 13, 2006 16:37:52 GMT -7
Bujno,
thank you for updating us about local level elections in Poland. When I was growing up in Poland nobody really believed that people can do any change in the local level. I think this changed now.
I guess, the ex prime-minister Marcinkiewicz has still chances against Hanna Gronkiewicz-Waltz in the second round.
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Post by forza on Nov 13, 2006 22:01:58 GMT -7
Bravo goes to Warszawa people for giving Wierzejski 0.3 % and his LPR 2,4 % ;D ;D ;D
It all went so well!! Samoobrona and LPR have lost and quite badly! Now PiS has not enough seats to have majority with its usual partners... hahaha The only rulling coalition possible would be now with PO, PSL , SLD. So sweet!
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Post by bujno on Nov 14, 2006 1:09:59 GMT -7
Bravo goes to Warszawa people for giving Wierzejski 0.3 % and his LPR 2,4 % ;D ;D ;D It all went so well!! Samoobrona and LPR have lost and quite badly! Now PiS has not enough seats to have majority with its usual partners... hahaha The only rulling coalition possible would be now with PO, PSL , SLD. So sweet! That's the point! No more LPR and Samoobrona. Although I'd like to see SLD outed too, I agree that at least they know how to behave properly. Jaga, you're right of course. Kazimierz Marcinkiewicz still has a chance to win. I'd prefer Hanna Gronkiewicz Waltz to win, but in the end the other option is not that bad now, when PO won most of the seats in the Warsaw City Council. At least we'll have a " cohabitation." And of course you're right that since the communist regime things changed just enormously, most of all the so called civic society emerged. Well, still emerging in some parts of the country. |
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Post by hollister on Nov 15, 2006 5:14:54 GMT -7
Bunjo (and others)
Would you mind giving me some analysis of what these results mean? What sort of effect will it have on the dad to day lives of people? On the government at large? What percentage of the population actually voted? How does that compare to other elections? Are there any statistics as to the age of the typical voter?
I am just curious - If you have the time/inclination to give me some background I would appreciate it.
I think I have the basics down (the differences between the parties)
Do you think having many different parties is a good thing?
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Post by bujno on Nov 16, 2006 1:02:13 GMT -7
Chris - Holly - Hollister The main outcome of the elections is the shift inside the ruling coalition voters. Samoobrona and LPR lost in towns and country, thier voters choosed the larger PIS this time. This is extremely good news, since these two parties are - IMO - detrimental to Poland. People have at least learned so. THe other main outocome is that PO won in most of the cities, which is good news too. It slowly bcomes clearer that - sooner and later PO and PIS will have to cooperate. Which would be both best for Poland and natural. They don't differ that much. Yes I think that having many parties is good. It is enough to have a hurdle in the Sejm elections (we have 5%) too keep too small ones off the parliament. 45% of the population voted, which is about the same as in the past local elections. |
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Post by forza on Nov 16, 2006 3:31:44 GMT -7
Shortly before this elections parliament (PiS) had introduced some amendments to electoral rules: now citizen groups, political parties and individual candidates could form the groups (called "Blocks") and individual votes would remain -so to speak- within the Block and be not wasted. PiS had formed its "Blocks" together with Samoobrona and LPR and both parties underperformed in elections leaving now PiS empty handed. It's somehow embarrassing since PiS had been so far verbally abusing all opposition and now is begging for coalition partners! PO would get majority with its Block partner PSL which surprisingly got more then expected (about 10 %) but it is not possible everywhere. Anyway it is up to PO now to choose! They could pick SLD instead of PiS but they are probably afraid to alienate some of its supporters who hate the left. For PiS forming coalition with SLD is next to impossible since they consider them the source of all evil in Europe.  Local elections were lost for PiS in major cities which - thanks to media - gives them the "LOOSER" mark. Next blow should come in less then 2 weeks in Warsaw when PiS candidate would probably loose to PO's It all means that decisions about regional politics would be made on local level instead of in PiS headquarters which is good. The bad outcome is that parliament coalition PiS Samoobrona PO would remain even stronger as now none of those parties wants to hear about an early elections. |
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Post by constantine on Nov 16, 2006 4:09:46 GMT -7
Alas, alas...We have not a shadow of doubt that result of elections won't change current narrow-minded confrontational politics towards Russia  |
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Post by hollister on Nov 16, 2006 6:06:52 GMT -7
Thanks! I am working my way through the comments.
Forza (or Bunjo) - you mention that 45% of the population voted. Any idea of the breakdown between age groups and urban/rural voting patterns?
Constantine - you say that the elections will not change current "confrontational politics towards Russia." I am wondering if Russia offered an olive branch to Poland? If they have what has the peace making effort been? It seems to me that Russia (and this may be my limited perspective) that Russia demands that other nations see issues their way and make little or no effort to seek some type of middle ground. Given the history of the region, I think that Poland's suspicion of Russian motives is somewhat understandable. As the "elder brother" shouldn't Russia be the one to seek to make peace? I do not mean to be inflammatory - I am just trying to get a perspective on these issues.
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Post by Pawian on Nov 16, 2006 10:59:26 GMT -7
Anyway it is up to PO now to choose! They could pick SLD instead of PiS but they are probably afraid to alienate some of its supporters who hate the left. For PiS forming coalition with SLD is next to impossible since they consider them the source of all evil in Europe. I have always hated communists and disliked their younger offspring - social democrats from SLD. I never voted the left. But I wouldn`t mind at all if PO decided to make some local coalitions with post-communists. Gorgoeus PiS and his partners LPR and Samoobrona made me think so. After a year of PiS ruling the country I am getting more and more convinced that even post-communist seemed sensible politicians in comparison to emotional and amateurish PiS. The ignorance of those ducks is really appalling. One example - Kaczynski brothers never cease to speak about patriotism, and at the same time one of them doesn`t know the words of the Polish national anthem. What a shame! Even worse, it`s all SHAM! |
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Post by Pawian on Nov 16, 2006 11:06:11 GMT -7
Alas, alas...We have not a shadow of doubt that result of elections won't change current narrow-minded confrontational politics towards Russia The last elections were not to the Polish Parliament but to the regional parliaments and local authorities, e.g., mayors. For the state`s foreign policy to change there must be a change of the Polish government which is chosen from MPs. New parliamentary elections are due in 3 years` time. Don`t lose hope! hahahahahaha |
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Post by constantine on Nov 17, 2006 5:02:44 GMT -7
Given the history of the region, I think that Poland's suspicion of Russian motives is somewhat understandable. As the "elder brother" shouldn't Russia be the one to seek to make peace? I do not mean to be inflammatory - I am just trying to get a perspective on these issues. -------------------------------------------------------------- Hmmm, It's just imposible. Poland politics and elite fall into a reveries about Great Rzeczpospolita. Polish politics are too Yagelonised without of any reason  Poland had some opportunities in past to build powerful state, but groundless clericalism dispeled all expectancies. Thirst of revenge is moving polish politics not a suspicion of Russia. |
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Post by constantine on Nov 17, 2006 5:07:36 GMT -7
The last elections were not to the Polish Parliament but to the regional parliaments and local authorities, e.g., mayors.
For the state`s foreign policy to change there must be a change of the Polish government which is chosen from MPs. New parliamentary elections are due in 3 years` time. Don`t lose hope! hahahahahaha
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Present antagonism has roots and this roots are reactionary local autorities. This is a base of all.
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Poland had some opportunities in past to build powerful state, but groundless clericalism dispeled all expectancies. Thirst of revenge is moving polish politics not a suspicion of Russia.