franek80
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Jan 3, 2006 13:43:15 GMT -7
Post by franek80 on Jan 3, 2006 13:43:15 GMT -7
What is the difference between a Slovak and a Slovenian
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Jan 3, 2006 22:43:18 GMT -7
Post by Jaga on Jan 3, 2006 22:43:18 GMT -7
Franek, president Bush also did not know that
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KAI
Jan 4, 2006 0:43:58 GMT -7
Post by kaima on Jan 4, 2006 0:43:58 GMT -7
Franek,
This will be a hurried answer off the top of my head. The first difference is the Hungarians who interposed themselves between the two people a thousand years ago. The Slovaks to the north of Hungary, the Slovenes to the South West of Hungary. The Slovenes were put under pressure to become Austrians & adapt German as a language, so they lost territory to the Bavarians who came into the Slavic region and became Austrians and proceeded to absorb Slovenes where they could. The Slovaks were ignored for most of Hungarian history, but they slip up once in a while and admit some unidentified aboriginal people when they arrived in country. At least the Austrians were honest about displacing the Slavs!
Today Slovenian language and Slovak have some very distinct similarities in language, the most impressive tome as a non-linguist is that their name for themselves and for each other are almost identical. This is where I need a book to come up with the Slovaci, Slovacie, and other words that seem to vary by only a vowel.
So they are separated by a few hundred miles and a thousand years. I have read nothing that claims they are closely related, but cannot help but think that they are so.
I wish I knew more!
Ron
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franek80
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Jan 4, 2006 9:00:20 GMT -7
Post by franek80 on Jan 4, 2006 9:00:20 GMT -7
KAI; Would this go all the way back to BUKOVINA. I know this goes back a long way. But I remember reading that Bukovina was a part of POLAND GERMANY AUSTRIA AND CHECHS and ROUMANIA had a piece of the action Would this be the answer?
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Jan 4, 2006 9:08:54 GMT -7
Post by franek80 on Jan 4, 2006 9:08:54 GMT -7
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Jan 4, 2006 9:16:29 GMT -7
Post by franek80 on Jan 4, 2006 9:16:29 GMT -7
More interesting information.
Podhale (Tatra Foothills) A highland area some 40 miles long from east to west lying between the Tatra Mountains to the south and the Western Beskid Mountains to the north. Its principal cities are Zakopane and Nowy Targ. The name Podhale is rendered into English as "below the mountain glen." Possessing some of Poland's most beautiful landscapes, the region encompasses some of Poland's most popular national parks and it has a highly developed tourist industry. It is a region inhabited by the Górale or Highlanders. It encompasses Spisz, an area that for centuries was under Hungarian suzerenity.
Tatry (Tatra Mountains) The highest mountains of the Carpathian Range. Most are 6500-8000 feet high and thus the highest mountains between the Alps and the Urals. Their height however belies their magnificence. Alpine in nature, these mountains, with towering peaks, steep rocky slides, and mountain lakes hundreds of feet down, are as beautiful as any mountain range in northern Europe. Marking the border between Poland and Slovakia, those on the Polish side (about a third of the total) are part of the Tatras National Park. Though the range is only 40 miles long and 10 miles across, millions visit them and Zakopane, the town at their feet, each year.
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Jan 4, 2006 11:17:03 GMT -7
Post by forza on Jan 4, 2006 11:17:03 GMT -7
I have spent several days in Bukovina 2 years ago. One of the most extraordinary experiences was to talk to Poles living in a small village named Plesza near Suceava. The village was on a beautiful hill, surrounded by the forest with no road to it but a dirt path. It took almost an hour to climb up there! They had no electricity, no plumbing, no economy and were cut off from the world the whole and each winter. They spoke archaic polish and had archaic first names. Poland had a border with Romania before 2WW and the village was actually only 50 km away from what used to be polish territory. They are the offspring of seasonal mine workers from Wieliczka and Bochnia area who used to work around Suceava mines.
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Jan 4, 2006 11:20:39 GMT -7
Post by Jaga on Jan 4, 2006 11:20:39 GMT -7
We were also visiting with the group of Polish students these two villages next to Suchava, thanks for reminding
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Jan 4, 2006 21:57:05 GMT -7
Post by kaima on Jan 4, 2006 21:57:05 GMT -7
KAI; Would this go all the way back to BUKOVINA. I know this goes back a long way. But I remember reading that Bukovina was a part of POLAND GERMANY AUSTRIA AND CHECHS and ROUMANIA had a piece of the action Would this be the answer? So if Slovenia is to teh SW of Hungary and Bukovena is to teh far east of the old Kingdom, they had to be quite a distance apart. I suspect all they shared was a degree of suppression under the old A-H Empire at different times. Kai
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