george
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Post by george on Jan 16, 2006 16:14:39 GMT -7
Not sure if this is the right forum or not but here its goes anyway. Should gays be allowed to marry? And if not why? Just curious to hear different views on a subject that will be brought up for many years to come. Will it affect marriage as we know it? How will it affect society?
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Post by Jaga on Jan 16, 2006 19:38:40 GMT -7
They should have some inheritance rights, why not. But the official marriage? I am not sure but really, I do not care too much also.
All people should be treated with dignity, but we do not want to create the atmospere which would treat strange people with some special priviileges. I am not sure that gay couples shoudl have it easy to adopt children.
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Post by Yanc on Jan 17, 2006 4:28:59 GMT -7
I think, gays should have a right to have marriage-like partnership, but NO rights to adopt children.
Marriage is between man and woman, two gays should have a possibility to form long lasting formal partnership with rights like in marriage (except from having kids), but it should never be called marriage.
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Post by george on Jan 17, 2006 5:02:25 GMT -7
I also believe if they are allowed to be married they should't be allowed to adopt chilren. I don't think society is ready for this and im not sure if it ever will. However with that being said, i think marriage at some point should be allowed. Arguments i hear against it is that it will cheapen or tear down the institution itself. I think heterosexuals have already done a good job in hurting the institution as far as thats concerned.I know plenty of strange straight couples who have been married. Besides nobody has ever explained to me how homosexual marriage will hurt my marriage or anyone else's for that matter. Homosexuals have always been with us and always will. One of the critisims of them is that they are promiscuous. Then on the other hand when they want to marry society says no. As far as privledges are concered, i think society benefits from marriage as much as individuals. Every decent society encouages marriage to strengthen society in general.
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Post by leslie on Jan 17, 2006 5:37:47 GMT -7
This is my only (I think - maybe apart from Charles!! ) area of discrimination or anti-. It is completely against any form of religious teachings in which marriage is for the procreation of children - that does not mean adoption. As a fairly typical male I have no objection to Lesbians and anything (within reason) that they do in public, but I'm afraid I abhor male homosexuals. What they do in their own homes is their business, but to see two men kissing (mouth to mouth) in an obviously sexual way sickens me (almost literally). I may be out of touch with the 21st century, but I have tried to modify my thoughts about all this, but have failed. Leslie
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Post by jimpres on Jan 17, 2006 8:30:40 GMT -7
Leslie,
I could not agree with you more. Now that Mass. recognizes gay marriage they are trying to pass a law to recognize polygamy. Soon any one will be able to marry any one and in multiples. I still believe marriage is for the purpose of procreation and same sex marriages can not produce children from that union.
Jim
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Post by hollister on Jan 17, 2006 9:30:51 GMT -7
Leslie, I could not agree with you more. Now that Mass. recognizes gay marriage they are trying to pass a law to recognize polygamy. Soon any one will be able to marry any one and in multiples. I still believe marriage is for the purpose of procreation and same sex marriages can not produce children from that union. Jim Jim, I need some clarification here - I am medically unable to have children so I can not procreate. Does that mean that I can not be married?
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Post by jimpres on Jan 17, 2006 10:04:04 GMT -7
Hollister,
I was talking about in most cases. There are always exceptions to the rule. But marriage in my mind is for the purpose of procreation. Just my catholic view on the subject. I'm sure there are others who can't have children for many reasons. I just don't agree with men marrying men and women marrying men. And having many wives is adultry in my humble opinion.
Jim
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Post by leslie on Jan 17, 2006 10:37:42 GMT -7
Chris Can I just put my twopenn'th in here. Of course you should get married (as long as it is to a man). If tomorrow they found a medical method to reverse whatever is stopping you having children, you could procreate, so the religious injunction is satisfied. I won't say what it would take for two guys to be able to procreate with each other!!! Leslie
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Post by pieter on Jan 17, 2006 11:35:12 GMT -7
In the Netherlands this is alredy a past station, because you have leagal gay marriage here. I don't know what to say about that really. I saw a program on television of a nine year old blond girl with two fathers, she did not tell her classmates that she has two fathers, because everybody had straight parents, maried, unmaried and divorced heterosexual parents. That will always be the majority, because statistically 90% of the people is hetrosexual and 10% gay. I don't feel frightened by gays and lesbians getting maried. Many old gay people stil live in the closet, older people often live double lives, having wife and children and next to that their lovers in the park, hotel room or someones home. The intolerance against gays and violence against them is growing here, from both white Caucasian and immigrant side. In the commercial printing company I started to work this week, there are straight workers who are homofobic and racist. They are simple minded and fearful, and have a lack of knowledge. I wonder if I ever will witness a gay marriage in Holland, because I have only been to traditional heterosexual weddings. I think gays are well organised in the Netherlands and the USA and take care of their own interests. They are more influential than many people think or know. No children, two guys, they have a lot to spend. I know a lot of them, because many of them are involved in creative, artistic jobs, painter, photographers, fashion designers, choreographs, dancers, graphic designers, filmmakers, owners of fancy restaurants and bars, businessmen, entrepreneurs, directors of Museums, politicians, Meirs (of Berlin, Paris, Leeuwarden - a Frisiain city) and etc.
Pieter
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Post by jimpres on Jan 17, 2006 11:47:26 GMT -7
I think the gays should be allowed to join in a union. But it's not marriage. Or We can change the definition of marriage to mean any one can marry any one else. As proven here in the good old USA. A woman just married a dolphin.
Jim
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Post by pieter on Jan 17, 2006 15:06:31 GMT -7
I think the gays should be allowed to join in a union. But it's not marriage. Or We can change the definition of marriage to mean any one can marry any one else. As proven here in the good old USA. A woman just married a dolphin. Jim ;D Yeah, typical American, dolphins are a girls best friend!
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Post by Jaga on Jan 17, 2006 22:37:15 GMT -7
I agree with almost everybody there really. I have one concern of having it too easy for gay people to marry - that it may become just a lifestyle for people who are not really gay - just like this happened in Greece when women were considered so much lower ... and less educated that being with another man was a norm. I hope this would not become a fashion statement, then we woudl go to the epoch of decadency like in Rome...
On another issue - I am glad that here in America people are sensitive on sexual abuse - at work, at home, towards children. In Poland when I was growing up - we were not really exposed to this type of risk - I mean they were not talking about it at school. I was lucky that everybody in my family was normal, but other kids did not have this comfort. I think, this is probably changing now in Poland also
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george
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Post by george on Jan 18, 2006 15:11:03 GMT -7
"I agree with almost everybody there really. I have one concern of having it too easy for gay people to marry - that it may become just a lifestyle for people who are not really gay"
Oh i doubt that will ever happen. Can you imagine a person making a huge major lifestyle change and wanting to become homosexual? For what? To be ostrisized by the rest of society? To face discrimination and ridicule? Reminds me of the question i was once asked. At what point did i decide to become straight? I did one of those uhumn uhumn uhumn. I answered that i always was and i never decided. I believe this is the same thing as far as homosexuals are concered. They were predisposed to be that way. Ask any of them ( probably not many in Idaho) and they will tell you for as long as they can remember, they had a inclination to be that way. If you believe in God and believes he makes us all, then i suppose we should ask him that question.
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Post by rdywenur on Jan 18, 2006 16:12:40 GMT -7
George...I agree with you that they were born that way not chosse to be that way. God must have made them for some reason but I don't be believe to be married to each other. I still believe that is for a man and woman. Call me old fashioned. I am not homophobic but public display of afection does bother me. Maybe they want marriage to obtain the benefits legally. In that case maybe they need to change the laws for co-partners.
As far as children are concerned. I'm really not certain about that because I think that is a whole other issue. What goes on behind closed doors in a hetrosexual reaaltionship does not affect children so I think neither should a homosexual relationship. We are mixing sex and children in the same thought process. There are many hetrosexual couples that should not be allowed to adopt nor create children. Being able to have a child does not make you a good parent either.
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