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Post by Atlantis5 on Mar 30, 2008 13:39:23 GMT -7
Nice speech but it wont stop WW3 which will happen soon. Leni What is this of WW3/ Would you wish to expound upon this? Charles
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Post by uncltim on Mar 30, 2008 16:09:31 GMT -7
Plenty of potential these days.
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Post by leni on Mar 31, 2008 8:25:49 GMT -7
well its quite easy to notice, though the WW3 may look slight diffrent, it will be similar to Swedish - Russian war in XVII century, the war between those 2 countries wasnt in their borders (but in fact in poland but its a useless fact for what im pointing).
So now we got oil ending up right ?, And where is oil ? In middle east, who wanna get it ? Everybody. Who is near ? Russia, India, China, USA (bases), European Union, there will be fight for Nigeria, Mexican Sea, USA will have to defend near their country from Southern American armies financed from drug dealing. Not to mention Antarctica where there is alot of mineral resourcers and of course northern pole. Unless humanity will discover that its not that quite good idea and will find another source of energy. Norway may be attacked by Russia becasue of being just close, this will probably force Norway for seeking aid in USA or European Union but USA will refuse becasue of already full scale war and EU will have demands, like oil share and joining EU to pay into their budget (they refused joining EU becasue they wouldnt have interes in this). So we Europe will fight against Russia, probably Poland as usual will be the war zone becasue of being shield and if we sing agreemnt for Anti rocket system, usa will try to defend it from russians. Russia will seek aid in China and they will probably unite becasue Russia arms China
Ok enough now, i know its the most grim scenario but a total war vision for me is quite real...
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Post by Atlantis5 on Mar 31, 2008 14:42:49 GMT -7
Leni
Until of recent, I was not aware of the deeply thoughts of your self of this possibility. As we very well know, we do have a very bad history of the many wars of past.
No person may perceive in the future with certainty when a new war will become a reality, for in many cases it is a build up of tensions with an event{s} of sort to light the fuse, but not always.
You have your entire life in front of you to live day by day. Live each day from morning to night as a blessing. Live your life as best as you may, for your life is in self a blessing.
We, most of us, possess similar fears of this you speak of, it is ok, for this in-self in sharing, is in self a defusing method to clear our minds. Yes, also do I fear, for this is my stimulus of action. It is the control of fear that is very very important. To know and understand your self is a high priorty, you weakness, your strengths, then use your strengths to overcome your weakness.
If the above is out of context of the intent of your post, please do forgive, and we may move on with the topic. For I do enjoy of your thoughts you freely give.
Charles
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Post by uncltim on Mar 31, 2008 18:54:54 GMT -7
Leni, When I was your age, (I'm 42) I was convinced that any day the Russians would send missiles to kill us all at any moment. I would bet the Russians thought the same thing. Don't worry too much about that stuff.
Spend your time getting the best education you can find. Chasing girls, party with your bros, rock out often, and enjoy spending time with your family.
Most crises and world emergencies are manufactured problems to steer you and I to desired beliefs and actions. Once you realize that a lot of it is a scam, you can see how the machinery works and it all becomes pretty predictable junk.
Tim
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Post by freetobe on Mar 31, 2008 21:50:18 GMT -7
Leni, Your impassioned and depressive views have made me concerned. Kid, the way to a solution is not the Dabrowska bottle. Forget the alcoholic label, the only person who can define that assessment is you. Please don't get caught up in the problems of the world and the stupidity of leaders. We all know that this insanity is not finished. Look back at history of wars and warriors. They were all nuts. In spite of all the carnage that occurred, the human race continues. This is a bit flowery I admit. Let's hope that saner heads will prevail.
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Post by Bob S on Mar 31, 2008 22:37:30 GMT -7
;D Leni I envy ;D the person who can enjoy a beer or vodka now and then. I cannot enjoy those adult beverages because they would make a deadly cocktail for me (Medicine and alcahol do not mix well). If you are lucky you can wake up in your own home the next day but the fun does not stop there. It feels like the whole Chi. Com Army is marching through your mouth and a ballroom full of people are not doing the Polka on your head; that is only a hangover headache. When you open your wallet and see that there is no money there, you can say to yourself " gee, I must have had a good time because my wallet is empty and I don't remember what happened". I too went through that phase but I learned that I could spend my time and money in better ways and have something to show for it besides a terrible hangover
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Post by justjohn on Apr 1, 2008 4:00:46 GMT -7
Thanks for the prospective! What about Vietnam? (my generation, I lost so many friends there) The numbers are staggering, but I have a better feeling now, fighting terrorism, than I had for Vietnam. Many of you may disagree.... but this war is more justified than Vietnam was........ Unless you were of that age, you would not understand the hopelessness, and lack of future we all felt. Sad as it was, looking back, we had no hope for a future. My generation grew up living day to day.......... no wonder so many fell into drugs, booze, and promiscuity. Mary Here is something most Americans, especially from the Viet Nam era, did not know. February 16, 2008, 23:41 USSR ‘secret' Vietnam soldiers speak out Russian veterans have gathered to mark the anniversary of America’s withdrawal from the Vietnam War. More than 3,000 Soviet soldiers fought in the conflict despite years of government denials that they were ever involved. It was America’s longest and most divisive war, with almost 60,000 young men dead in a conflict that killed more than five million on all sides. Most still think of Vietnam as a war the U.S. and its South Vietnamese allies fought against the North. But Soviet Union’s men were there, too, doing their part to advance the spread of communism. They are some of the Soviet Union’s forgotten soldiers, veterans of a war their government denied involvement in for almost twenty years. It was only after the regime collapsed in 1991 that officials admitted more than 3,000 Soviet troops fought against the Americans in Vietnam. Now, some of these old soldiers are together again to mark the 35th anniversary of the U.S. withdrawal. “Officially we were known as a group of Russian military experts. The commander was referred to simply as the senior expert. Thus, technically, there were no Russian units in Vietnam. The only thing we knew was that we were Soviet people, Soviet soldiers, and that we had to do whatever it took to stop air raids, which is what we did,” Nikolay Kolesnik, Vietnam veteran, remembers. Soviet expertise played a vital part in training Vietnamese forces and Soviet anti-aircraft missiles to inflict heavy damage on American planes. Those who fought alongside the Russians say it’s difficult to overestimate the impact they had. “The Soviet Union was a huge help in the war. We have a lot of respect for Russian equipment and Russian experts. Their equipment was better than what the Americans had. That’s why we were able to win,” Lee Cong Niem, Vietnam veteran, said. Saturday's ceremony was a chance for the next generation of soldiers to meet the men who have done it all before and for a grateful nation to thank the veterans who were its unsung allies for so long. For years, those were the men who ‘weren’t there’, veterans of a war their government said they never fought in. Now, thirty-five years after the last of them left the jungles of Vietnam they can properly commemorate their part in one of the 20th century’s most significant conflicts. For years, they were the men who ‘weren’t there’ - Soviet Vietnam veterans
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Post by Atlantis5 on Apr 1, 2008 7:15:18 GMT -7
J.J.
Thank you for introducing this information of the forgotten Soviet solders in Vietnam. I remember in those days, this was very well known, for they were advisers. It is a surprise to me that this was not so well known.
But, so be it: What I wish to say though is this: In my mind, solders of most nations are as they are, they are solders serving their country in their individual military. They are warriors serving their cause and as the event will evolve and they lose their lives in service of their country, they deserve the benefit of respect.
Charles
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Post by kaima on Apr 2, 2008 9:22:48 GMT -7
4000 is the down payment on our decisions to follow Bush into Iraq and squander the good will and cooperation the entire world had for us after 9 11. He continued to cut the armed forces for years after we went into Iraq with his program to reduce the number of soldiers and airmen. Even now there is no talk of building up numbers of soldiers so the stress level will be reduced to a sustainable level. We reconfirmed his decisions with the election of 2004 and now have to continue to pay the price.
So toughen up, America. You made your bed, now sleep in it. Invest your sons and your daughters, we are in this for the long haul!
Kai
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Post by Atlantis5 on Apr 2, 2008 11:00:13 GMT -7
4000 is the down payment on our decisions to follow Bush into Iraq and squander the good will and cooperation the entire world had for us after 9 11. He continued to cut the armed forces for years after we went into Iraq with his program to reduce the number of soldiers and airmen. Even now there is no talk of building up numbers of soldiers so the stress level will be reduced to a sustainable level. We reconfirmed his decisions with the election of 2004 and now have to continue to pay the price. So toughen up, America. You made your bed, now sleep in it. Invest your sons and your daughters, we are in this for the long haul! Kai Kai Bless you! For once, the truth. For it is the fault of the people in a Democratic Republic, for it is the will of the people of election of those as of Bush. For the unltimate blaime for failure, is the people. This is the logic and the reality. Charles
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Post by kaima on Apr 2, 2008 16:34:59 GMT -7
Franek! and other veterans.... PLEASE tell us if you feel that you were abandoned by our government. ? I know my father and other relatives didn't feel that way. Vietnam and the era of the drug revolution did leave a lot of Vets homeless, it also left a lot of Vets from my generation to lead, build and go onward with their heads held high.....and that wasn't easy....with the way THE PUBLIC, yes the public, treated the returning Vets. What do the rest of you think??? Were you there??? Do you remember??? I never felt mistreated by the gumm'nt. The people seemed to not much give a darn except for one cab driver who wanted to refuse my money, but I never ran across trouble in the form of protesters. In a way knocking them down if I were attacked personally would have been rather enjoyable. It took me 15 years to decide they were right about the war. Given today's situation and the stink about VA hospitals, I can understand the problem. The system was set up & modified to serve WW II vets as they got older and is not in a form to take on a new, large flow of active duty injured. Like a marriage or life, it is a work in the making, not a finished product. Circumstances and needs are always changing and there is naturally a lag in preparedness. I took my cue from the WW II vets and didn't volunteer for much, and certainly not for Vietnam, but I served and served honorably and stood in front of clerks three times when they took their 3x5 cards and split them into 'Vietnam' and 'not Vietnam' piles. I ended up in the not-Vietnam pile three times. No political pull, no bribes, simple luck and the judgment of the clerk. I am all for the GI education bill and help with the first home purchase and job preference for the first 5 years after getting out, but otherwise I think the benefits for GI's is extremely good and should be reconsidered and perhaps cut back. The US does have a history of vets demanding goodies from the gumm'nt from our revolution to when McArthur & Eisenhower beat them up in the 1930's when they needed their war bonuses early in the middle of the depression. Now then what I said above applies to common vets like me. The combat vet and the purple heart vet (including Kerry; I could never understand how a draft dodger like Bush could be hailed by vets ahead of a combat vet like Kerry) are in a totally different category and their care and benefits should be commensurate with their need and sacrifice. Mental care seems to be an area that we should be looking at improving; perhaps the Iraqi and Afghanistan (remember them?) veterans will not live on the streets as much as the Vietnam vets. My conclusion at the time was that 17 was too tender an age to allow kids in the military. On the contrary, I was an old guy of 21 at the time & too civilian. They should have drafted me at 12 for me to be really gung ho! My experience gave me a great appreciation of civilian life since. On the other hand, we need the press to advertise and expose the lacks in vet care. The gummn't will screw the soldier and the average guy every chance they get. They need the press to keep them honest and to move their burro-cratic butts to change the system and meet the needs of the young vets. Kai burro-cratic includes both civilian and professional military burros.
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Post by freetobe on Apr 2, 2008 20:14:05 GMT -7
Kai,
WELL SAID!!! Sadly the gummn't and the burro-crats civilian, military and health professionals can't get over themselves. Sit on thier hands, kiss up and don't make waves. They need for improving medical and emotional care for vets has been known since the advent of modern warfare. It's always the same old same old. How is it funded? Recruiting qualified health care professionals, maintaining first rate treatment facilities, recognizing and acknowledging the challenges faced by vets in our ever more complicated world. And the gummn't turns a deaf ear to those few caring, concerned individuals who want to change this. Shame on them.
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Post by leni on Apr 3, 2008 3:10:56 GMT -7
Don't worry too much about that stuff. Spend your time getting the best education you can find. Chasing girls, party with your bros, rock out often, and enjoy spending time with your family. Well thats what I do, you have just misunderstood me And i think you abit exagurate about my drinking , i got for a party maybe once a month or two, if i was constantly drinking i wouldnt afford car, gasoline and strings for my bass guitar \m/ (not mentioning equipment for concerts) Going back on topic, In poland most of post military boys dont end as homeless, in poland maybe its funny but there is a big demand for people with military training (despite you can do all driving licence categories in the army), for bodyguarding and other firms which provide security offerts
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