Poland's parliament votes for early election

[Jaga]

since the coalition was broken there was so much quarrel. Maybe it is better this way:

Poland's parliament votes for early election

By Gabriela Baczynska and Katarzyna Pieniadz
WARSAW (Reuters) - Poland's parliament called early elections on Friday that will pit the ruling conservative Kaczynski brothers against a pro-business opposition party.

The vote to end parliament's term two years early followed the collapse of the coalition government led by Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski, whose twin brother Lech is the president. A parliamentary election must now be held within 45 days.

Of the 460-member parliament, 377 deputies supported the vote and 54 voted against.

The prime minister wants a clear mandate for social policies to support families who have not benefited from an economic boom and a program to rid the establishment of what he calls a corrupt post-communist elite.

"Now Poles will be able to chose if they want a modernized, growing Poland or a Poland ruled by a network of oligarchs," Prime Minister Kaczynski told a news conference after the vote.

But markets hope for a strong showing by the centre-right Civic Platform, which wants to speed up reforms in central Europe's biggest economy, move more quickly to adopt the euro currency and patch up strained relations with EU partners.

"Only an early election can bring a better government to this country," said Civic Platform leader Donald Tusk.

No party looks set to win enough parliamentary seats to be able to form a coalition easily, meaning staunchly Catholic Poland could be in for another spell of political turbulence before a new administration is in place.

In a procedural move to fend off a threat by the opposition to hold votes of no confidence in the current ministers of his minority government, Kaczynski said they would take the titles of secretaries of state but continue in the same jobs.

Opponents said the move was not constitutional.

[Pawian]

The last debate was long and very funny. All parties had their final speeches. The ruling party PiS send their member Kurski to praise the government`s successes.

However, it turned out that some successes Kurski was talking about were achieved without or even against PiS intentions. It was proved in the speech of the leader of once coalition party LPR, Giertych, who accused Kurski of lying. Giertych took out a few sheets of paper with the history of voting and started proving that PiS and Kurski himself were against some reforms that Kurski was praising as the governmetn`s.

When Giertych asked Kurski "Why did you lie to us, Mr ?", the opposition MPs were booing and shouting: "Liar, liar!" and later "Cheater, cheater!"

These words are so suitable here. hahahahahaha

Giertych`s speech was really funny, I didn`t know he had such a talent for comedy.

wiadomosci.onet.pl/2639640,1,1,5,relacjetv.html

[hollister]

I can't wait to make a big bucket of popcorn and watch the returns!

[pieter]

I just hope that you get a responsable, stabile and realistic government without PiS or SLD.

My subjective wish is that the PO will become the biggest and will receive a lot of support of
disappointed PiS voters and moderate SLD and PSL supporters.

A a PO-PSL-Partia Demokratyczna – demokraci.pl governement will be impossible, because
the last party is to weak and the PSL is to much associated with opportunist policies
and long lasting ties with the SLD and PZPR.

I read that the PSL moved from the left to the centre out of opportunism!

Pieter

[Pawian]

pieter said:

I just hope that you get a responsable, stabile and realistic government without PiS or SLD.

Your hopes for Seym without PiS are futile. Unfortunately, PiS has the so called "fixed electorate" which means that about 20 - 30% of the voters will always vote for this party no matter what stupidities or frauds it commits. These voters are mostly old or uneducated people loaded with Polish complexes such as envy of the rich, for example. This Polish complex means that a person who is poor doesn`t try to become better-off by means of hard work or at least cleverness. He/she desires the rich to become poor and flushed down into the sewage. That`s what Kaczyński brothers like to do with their political opponents or people commonly considered as having some power. They are flushed down the toilet into the sewage in the TV spotlights. Unluckily, there are still many primitive people who like watching such games and they will vote for PiS.

As for SLD, after PiS` acts of mad aggression directed at everybody and everything, I do prefer this leftist party to be in the Seym rather than Kaczynski brothers. That`s what they did to me, those ducks!!! I will never forgive them for this !! hahahaha

My subjective wish is that the PO will become the biggest and will receive a lot of support of disappointed PiS voters and moderate SLD and PSL supporters.

They will get my vote too, just like I did in 2005 and never regretted it, but I am afraid they won`t be able to create an all-PO independent government.

A a PO-PSL-Partia Demokratyczna – demokraci.pl governement will be impossible, because the last party is to weak and the PSL is to much associated with opportunist policies and long lasting ties with the SLD and PZPR.

Pieter, Polish democracy is very young, we are constantly learning how to organize the country. So, never say impossible when you discuss Polish politics.

I read that the PSL moved from the left to the centre out of opportunism!

Of course.
Pieter

[pieter]

Pawian,

I read your answers with great interest, I am learning every day, just like you stated that the Polish democracy is learning how to organise the country. That makes it an exiting country.
We in the West are often tired of our democracy, because we have it for so long and take it for granted. The Poles, Czechs, Hungarians stil know what a totalitarian regime means, what lack of freedom is and what a "new" imperfect freedom, like their democracy is, but we stil do not have a better alternative. Maybe the Theocratic, Corporatist Catholic state governed by a Priest government of Jesuits (Internal affairs, department of justice and foreign affairs), Dominicans (Economical and financial affairs) and Franciscans (the social workers), and
father Director Tadeusz Rydzyk can be the minister of Propaganda of such a Corporatist state! ha ha ha!

Pieter

Pieter

[hollister]

I ran across this yesterday ---
"Jaroslaw Kaczynski thinks that he is the modern day Josef Pilsudski – who presided over the Sanacja regime between the two world wars in Poland.

The Sanacja regime attempted a "moral sanitation" of the newly reborn Polish nation, and Kaczynski has got it into his head that post communist Poland needs a moral sanitation to sweep the place clean of …well….post communists.

The Polish post communists – i.e. rich people – say the Kaczynski brothers, are a bit like Russian oligarchs, who got their sweaty hands on the newly capitalist economy post 1989. - except they are not nearly wealthy enough to purchase Chelsea FC or any other English football clubs – like real oligarchs like Abramovich.

The post communists and liberals have carved up Poland in their interests and are nasty and corrupt and ….nasty – say Kaczynski-ites."

Found the comments at: beatroot.blogspot.com/

And Pawain, I appreciated youy comments about how Poland is a young Democracy - I think you are on to something. I just hope the younger generation feels the need to participate and get involved - even if that only means voting.

[Pawian]

pieter said:

Pawian,

I read your answers with great interest, I am learning every day, just like you stated that the Polish democracy is learning how to organise the country. That makes it an exiting country.

Exciting? hahaha I would say it is infuriating when morons vote for morons who later occupy seats in the Parliament and their presence there is one giant joke. Or even worse, when some of those elected morons are sent abroad and the image of Poland suffers a lot.

The Poles, Czechs, Hungarians stil know what a totalitarian regime means, what lack of freedom is and what a "new" imperfect freedom, like their democracy is, but we stil do not have a better alternative.

The worst problem is that current politicians have been brought up and spent most of their adult lives in communism, and as we already said, nobody was clean in the system. Even Kaczynski brothers, though they were furiously anti-communist in 1980s, had cooperated with the system somehow, they had become doctors or professors of law, they had written dissertations about the superiority of Lenin over Smith etc etc.
They got smeared with communist thinking and today they happily apply many of the old system`s solutions.

[Pawian]

hollister said:

I ran across this yesterday ---
"Jaroslaw Kaczynski thinks that he is the modern day Josef Pilsudski – who presided over the Sanacja regime between the two world wars in Poland.

That`s too bad because Piłsudski was a dictator who cracked down not only on communist but also simple leftist politicians or anybody who disagreed with him. Yes, Kaczyński brothers do reveal certain similarity to him.

The Sanacja regime attempted a "moral sanitation" of the newly reborn Polish nation, and Kaczynski has got it into his head that post communist Poland needs a moral sanitation to sweep the place clean of …well….post communists.

Today it is post-communists, tomorrow it will be liberals and so on. As much as I don`t like post-communists and any leftists, I must say I started preferring them to those obsessed twins who seem right-wing in their nationalism and leftist in economic views.

The Polish post communists – i.e. rich people – say the Kaczynski brothers, are a bit like Russian oligarchs, who got their sweaty hands on the newly capitalist economy post 1989. -

Of course they did. That was the time of wild capitalism when people having power snatched and grabbed whatever they could lay their hands on.

The problem is that today Kaczynski brothers also want to reintroduce the wild times and snatch and grab from the rich.

The post communists and liberals have carved up Poland in their interests and are nasty and corrupt and ….nasty – say Kaczynski-ites."

The problem is that both Kaczyński brothers were also at power for most of this time. They took part in governments or various political bodies. Lech Kaczyński was the President of Warsaw. There are still unsolved mysteries concerning their murky business and political actions in 90s. Probably they will be never revealed.

And Pawain, I appreciated youy comments about how Poland is a young Democracy - I think you are on to something. I just hope the younger generation feels the need to participate and get involved - even if that only means voting.

I am afraid it is not so rosy. The problem is that Kaczynski brothers have managed to tarnish democratic system so much that today young people prefer to keep away from politics. The recent polls suggest that the coming elections will see the biggest number of people who aren`t going to vote. That`s the fault of the twins because, after so many promises about a new state, new life, new everything, they repeated and even doubled the mistakes of previous governments, in result disappointing Poles again.

I meet my former students who were under me in the 3rd class in 2005, they voted for different parties then. Today they claim they won`t vote anymore because they don`t believe anybody.

That`s what the twins really intended. They know the statistics polls about their fixed electorate. They know that 25% will always vote for them. In Polish parliament reality it is enough to think about creating a government again.

It makes me really worried that those maniacs can win the elections.