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Post by hollister on Oct 23, 2007 7:02:05 GMT -7
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Post by hollister on Oct 23, 2007 7:16:27 GMT -7
While not a quote from the US of A it is from a member of the PiS party "Warszawa to ho?ota. Prawdziwej Warszawy ju? nie ma. Zgin??a w Katyniu i Charkowie - - Tutaj jest warszawka, która nie potrafi nas doceni?" Pawain, see how close I get .. Warsaw is full of trash. The real Warsaw died at Katyn and Charków. This Warsaw who can respect it? Warsaw is full of trash - I would use t he rabble instead of trash. The real Warsaw died at Katyn and Charków - it`s OK. This Warsaw who can respect it? - I am sorry, we must change it into: Here is Warsawka (fox, smoothie Warsaw) which is not able to appreciate us.Thanks for the help! I pulled out my grammer books this morning - and re-worked the last phrase. Thank you so much for the help. It is so hard to express the nuances. It is so impressive that you can do so in two languages - I bow to your intellect! I need to spend more time in Poland! I need to speak better Polish!
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Post by leslie on Oct 23, 2007 8:13:03 GMT -7
Pawi Regarding the results of your election on Sunday, with the majority of seats won by PO over PiS, does this mean that PO will be entitled to take over as government? What happens about all the minority parties who won some seats, the total (as far as I can see) if added to PiS would make them stronger that PO. Or is there no chance of any coalitions? You political party system is much more complicated than ours!! Leslie
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Post by hollister on Oct 23, 2007 8:39:23 GMT -7
Leslie, Not Pawi but as I understand it - PO will need to form a coalition most likely with the People's Party - PiS has ruled out a coalition with PO (no real surprise there). Kaczynski as President of the Parliament does hold veto power over any legislation. People are concerned about that. It might help to look at the chart I posted a couple of entries above it show the number of seat held by each party. here it is again bp1.blogger.com/_5OhwJUeC4G0/RxzvgocxNfI/AAAAAAAAAK8/AIRbSxiA7cY/s1600-h/a+election+result.bmp
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Post by Pawian on Oct 23, 2007 12:58:22 GMT -7
I'm mostly surprised at how much support LiD got. Are Polish people drunk... or merely suffering from a tropical disease? If you imagine that all Poles are against the leftist parties, then you are wrong. Communism had its supporters too, and today they still believe that the state should provide social care and assure workers their priviliges. Man, where do you get those sick dreams from? hahahahaha Did you watch too many cartoons on American TV? hahahahaha
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Post by Pawian on Oct 23, 2007 13:51:08 GMT -7
Thanks for the help! I pulled out my grammer books this morning - and re-worked the last phrase. Thank you so much for the help. It is so hard to express the nuances. It is so impressive that you can do so in two languages - I bow to your intellect! No, I am not too intelligent. Normal people use about 10% of their brain`s capacity. I use about 20%. That`s still too little. However, when I recall how many people I know use 1%, I relax. hahahahahaha What for?
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Post by Pawian on Oct 23, 2007 13:59:56 GMT -7
Pawi Regarding the results of your election on Sunday, with the majority of seats won by PO over PiS, does this mean that PO will be entitled to take over as government? What happens about all the minority parties who won some seats, the total (as far as I can see) if added to PiS would make them stronger that PO. Or is there no chance of any coalitions? You political party system is much more complicated than ours!! Leslie The Polish Parliament has 460 seats in its House of Commons and 100 in supplementary House of Lords. The law is always passed by majority of 51%. In the House of Commons it requires 231 seats. PO has 209 seats. It needs a partner for their government. If they want to pass serious law, they need even bigger majority to overcome the President`s possible veto - 75%. There is a great chance for PO and PSL (Farmers) coalition. No animosities, Farmers Party`s greed for positions makes it very flexible, everybody can have them.... hahahahaha There is a lesser chance for PO and LiD coalition (but cooperation is possible). Liberal PO and leftist LiD? There is little chance for PiS and PO coalition due to personal animosities and rivalry, although these two parties have almost indentical programmes and their partnership would be the most natural.
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Post by pieter on Oct 23, 2007 14:56:37 GMT -7
Pawian, I just heard on the Dutch National 15.00 hours radio news that Donald Tusk spoke about working on better relations with the Russian Federation and the European Union. It sounded reasonable, pragmatic and like a New course on foreign policy. I hope that Poland will also will work on better relations with it's Western neighbour Germany, because to put it mildly the German-Polish relations were a bit chilly, from both sides. Without giving in to unreasonable demands from the West- and east, Poland could work on restoring diplomatic ties, its trade position in both large neigbouring countries, and for instance create cultural, scientific, and social-economical ties. Russia and Germany are interesting countries on the fields of Modern art, music and scientific achievements. The Anglo-Saxon and French world is a little bit more succesful on the economical field, but Russia and Germany have huge innermarkets, potential tourists for Poland and investors. A more pragmatic Conservative-liberal PO could improve the Polish economy with economical reforms (more laissez faire in staid of etatism -state controlled and planned economy-, more joynt ventures of state companies and private companies and businesses, privatizations, and one of the most important lowering the taxes to boost the economy and attract new investors and give Polish starters on the market a better chance, with less state bureaucracy, less corruption and a better fiscal and financial trade laws and legislation). In my view that is exactly that what is the objective of the Civic Platform (PO). In the same time PO must be very careful for a fierce PiS opposition, which will on certain points get the support of LiD (because joyning an enemy of your enemy, even if that enemy is your own enemy, is always in the interest of opportunist politicians). So the PO must be a wise party with diplomatic gifts, proportionate actions and policies, using checks and balances to be prepared for counterveiling powers and unsuspected changes in the unpredictable world of National and international (European) politics, financial developments (financial markets, conjunctural developments; labour market developments, the changing values of natural resources and goods and energymarkets). Poland in my view will be dependent on a continuating Labour migration from countries such as Ukraine and Belarus to make the further growth of the Polish economy possible. And maybe like in Western-Europe these people might become "New Poles" and therfor should be integrated into the Polish society. It's unfortunately that PO did not become so big that it could rule alone, and that it has to work together (Cohabition, like Chirac and Jospin eralier in France) with president Lech Kaczynski, so again the party and it's leader must be smart, careful, honest and sincere in the New course they will develop and implement with their New Cabinet.
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Post by Pawian on Oct 24, 2007 10:42:25 GMT -7
As the Ducks saw communists under every rock and around every corner - these Pole still believe that Poland is full of socialists that are out to get them. Kaczynskis accused people of communist past when it suited them, i.e., when those people refused to act according to Kaczynskis` orders. When ex-communists and traitors agreed to coopertae with the Twins, everything was all right. The case of professor Ryszard Bender: as a communist MP in 70s and 80s, he was against Solidarity. He cooperated with General Jaruzelski in creating facade pseudodemocratic organizations. In 1990s, he was known for fanatic catholicism and antisemitic speeches which he gave in Radio Maryja of Father Rydzyk. Today, he is in PiS and in November he will open the session of the new Senate by President Kaczynski`s order. It is so disgusting.
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Post by Pawian on Oct 24, 2007 12:44:24 GMT -7
As the Ducks saw communists under every rock and around every corner - these Pole still believe that Poland is full of socialists that are out to get them. Kaczynskis accused people of communist past when it suited them, i.e., when those people refused to act according to Kaczynskis` orders. When ex-communists and traitors agreed to coopertae with the Twins, everything was all right. The case of professor Ryszard Bender: as a communist MP in 70s and 80s, he was against Solidarity. He cooperated with General Jaruzelski in creating facade pseudodemocratic organizations. In 1990s, he was known for fanatic catholicism and antisemitic speeches which he gave in Radio Maryja of Father Rydzyk. Today, he is in PiS and in November he will open the session of the new Senate by President Kaczynski`s order. It is so disgusting. I wonder what American Poles would say if they learned that Andrzej Kryże, a communist judge who sentenced anti-communist oppositionists in 80s, is a vice Justice Minister in PiS`s government. I am not against some witch hunt here. But, PiS is not consequent. They fight some former communists and hire others. What is going on?
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Post by ludikundera on Oct 24, 2007 15:21:45 GMT -7
I'm mostly surprised at how much support LiD got. Are Polish people drunk... or merely suffering from a tropical disease? If you imagine that all Poles are against the leftist parties, then you are wrong. Communism had its supporters too, and today they still believe that the state should provide social care and assure workers their priviliges. Man, where do you get those sick dreams from? hahahahaha Did you watch too many cartoons on American TV? hahahahaha It's too much Itchy & Scratchy! You're right about LiD, though: it's partly me projecting my own feelings and the lack of any leftist alternative in Poland.
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Post by Pawian on Oct 25, 2007 11:06:08 GMT -7
It's too much Itchy & Scratchy! Bitchy $ Scratchy??? I don`t know this serial! Is it XXX-rated or only X?
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Post by ludikundera on Oct 25, 2007 12:20:32 GMT -7
There's no bitching. The characters don't talk. It's pure animated violence. It teaches kids that violence usually solves problems quicker and more effectively than discussion.
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Post by Pawian on Oct 25, 2007 12:25:37 GMT -7
There's no bitching. The characters don't talk. It's pure animated violence. It teaches kids that violence usually solves problems quicker and more effectively than discussion. Aaaah, now I remember!!! It is a show within the Simpsons serial! It`s really crazy hahahahahaha
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Post by Pawian on Oct 25, 2007 12:30:33 GMT -7
There's no bitching. The characters don't talk. It's pure animated violence. It teaches kids that violence usually solves problems quicker and more effectively than discussion. Now I understand where your sick dreams come from! hahahahahaha Why don`t you relax with something more pleasant? E.g.. Żwirek and Muchomorek? The characters are good-natured and there is wonderful music. hahahahahahahahaahahahhahaha
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