Mary
Cosmopolitan
Posts: 934
|
Post by Mary on Dec 14, 2007 23:49:43 GMT -7
Mary, you husband is do dependent on you that .... at least you are sure he would never leave you By the way, I also think, it is good that in the forum people have different opinions. Being a woman, it bothers me that women in Poland would be paid less as a punishment that statistically they live longer! Jaga, Unfortunately there is still a difference in many jobs for pay here in the US between men & women, but the gap is getting smaller. Your statement; "Being a woman, it bothers me that women in Poland would be paid less as a punishment that statistically they live longer!", is true and sad. Isn't it punishment enough that we have to out live them and don't get that revenge? We Should Get A Bonus for our patience!(just kidding...)Yes, my man would surely die a slow agonizing death (haha) without me.... Since hot passionate sex is something people of our age need to save our energy for, it would be senseless to think he could leave for one younger..........and no one would wait on him hand and foot like I do! hahahahahahahahahaha No, seriously........ We are both very fortunate to have each other. Few women would put up with him, and few men would put up with my independent nature! Mary
|
|
|
Post by livia on Dec 15, 2007 1:54:41 GMT -7
Jaga, Mary and all interested. I don't know what to think about it. In my heart I feel you are right but my reason tells me otherwise. Let's assume the bill is passed. Women will be paid less retirement money since they are statistically living longer than men for 5 years. True. But they will be paid longer, since they live longer. The lump sum paid would be the same. The retirement money is a function of the money invested throughout life, not the function of life span. So at least equally valid is saying if the bill is passed the women will not be rewarder additionally for their longer life.
The poverty risk among the elderly. In the link provided we read that in the early years of 21 century (!) one-sixth of all 74 million elderly people living in EU are at risk of poverty. Statistically taken - every sixth elderly person in the European Union is at risk of poverty. The figure is shocking, we are talking the richest part of the world!
The European Union countries with the highest risk are Cyprus Ireland Spain Portugal Greece United Kingdom.
The new member states are largely countries with the lowest risk of elderly poverty.
Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia (hi Kai!), Lithuania, Latvia, Netherlands (hi Pieter!) and Luxembourg are the countries where the elderly are B E T T E R protected against the risk of poverty than the working-age individuals.
.
|
|
|
Post by Jaga on Dec 15, 2007 6:25:20 GMT -7
Livia,
for me this does not make any sense. My mother died earlier than my dad, why she should be punished just as woman? If the same reasoning was used we could argue that smokers should be paid more than non-smokers since they statistically live shorter lives.
I do believe that it is good that the retirement age in Poland will be the same for men and women.
By the way, poverty among older women is worse than among men in Europe. It is called a feminization of poverty.
+++Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia (hi Kai!), Lithuania, Latvia, Netherlands (hi Pieter!) and Luxembourg are the countries where the elderly are B E T T E R protected against the risk of poverty than the working-age individuals.+++ what do you mean?
|
|
|
Post by valpomike on Dec 15, 2007 10:28:34 GMT -7
freetobe,
Cool down, don't get so hot under the collar. Life is short, and no one gets out of it alive. No need to call names, you hurt my feelings, NOT. I just looked who they came from, and laughed. I hope this made you feel better, since it did not hurt me. If you want to hurt me, you will have to work harder than that.
Michael Dabrowski
|
|
|
Post by freetobe on Dec 15, 2007 11:06:58 GMT -7
Mary, I'm as light as a feather and as entitled to my strong convictions as anyone else here. Nuff said.
|
|
|
Post by livia on Dec 15, 2007 14:55:49 GMT -7
+++Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia (hi Kai!), Lithuania, Latvia, Netherlands (hi Pieter!) and Luxembourg are the countries where the elderly are B E T T E R protected against the risk of poverty than the working-age individuals.+++ what do you mean? Astonished? I closely read the link you've posted, and these are their conclusions cited almost verbatim.
|
|
|
Post by Jaga on Dec 15, 2007 16:43:40 GMT -7
Livia,
probably you got me here. It was not the best link to post. But from my own observation - the lives of Polish women are very hard. I still do not understand what does it mean that pensioners have a better live than.... working class people? It still does not make too much sense.
|
|
|
Post by valpomike on Dec 15, 2007 17:42:29 GMT -7
Jaga,
I think, women, like men, should be payed what they are worth, the same for those doing the same job.
Michael Dabrowski
|
|
|
Post by Jaga on Dec 15, 2007 21:51:22 GMT -7
Jaga, I think, women, like men, should be payed what they are worth, the same for those doing the same job. Michael Dabrowski Michael, you know what? I agree with you on that! We should not be paid dependingon how long statistically will we live, we should get paid on how good work did we do. The problems with women, they also have to devote themselves to the family. That means, that they work outside of their jobs - at home and this does not count to the retirement. So, they are already in the worst position since the start.
|
|
|
Post by valpomike on Dec 16, 2007 11:57:54 GMT -7
Jaga,
When my children were growing up, I gave more to them then my wife, due to here work hours, but I did not care. I now get nothing for all my input to the family work, for my retirement. You may not know of fathers like I, who do most of the work around the home, and still work a full time job, and sometimes a second job also, as I did. You do what you need do, and don't look to the government for a way of life after you stop working, put something away yourself, as I did, and still do. Many years ago, people could not turn to the government with all there problems.
Michael Dabrowski
|
|