nathanael
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Post by nathanael on Jul 29, 2008 5:38:38 GMT -7
Pakistan has been in disarray for quite some time. Nations that are unable to fully control its territory are not viable nations! In today's world, such nations are an unacceptable occurrence. I have been saying this for a long time with respect to Colombia, Pakistan and Sudan. When a nation is limping, it needs to request help, or it needs to be helped "by force." The idea that a nation out of control is sovereign does not hold in the XXI-century. The world has become too dangerous to play these types of games. Control and sovereignty go together, period. Pakistan has been deluding itself for a long time that "peace agreements" with rebels are a way to go. This is an unacceptable price to pay for sovereignty, unacceptable to a nation, and unacceptable to the world! Pakistan is not sovereign: it must regain its sovereignty!
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Post by Atlantis5 on Jul 29, 2008 11:14:17 GMT -7
Pakistan has been in disarray for quite some time. Nations that are unable to fully control its territory are not viable nations! In today's world, such nations are an unacceptable occurrence. I have been saying this for a long time with respect to Colombia, Pakistan and Sudan. When a nation is limping, it needs to request help, or it needs to be helped "by force." The idea that a nation out of control is sovereign does not hold in the XXI-century. The world has become too dangerous to play these types of games. Control and sovereignty go together, period. Pakistan has been deluding itself for a long time that "peace agreements" with rebels are a way to go. This is an unacceptable price to pay for sovereignty, unacceptable to a nation, and unacceptable to the world! Pakistan is not sovereign: it must regain its sovereignty! Mr. Nathanael I was of struckt to read of your presentation in that of {Pakistan}.. To be judged as {out of control}? For why, and for who, has this power to judge a nation? For who shall throw the 1st stone? For at present, Pakistan is a nuclear weapons ownership, and as in possession of this typen weapon of explosive, in self, is a deterrent to any of nations of invasion and occupation, that as also of the American resolve to invest into a 3rd war. Have you not, thought, perhaps if the Americans were to leave out of Afghanistan and that of Iraq, that as also that of the so-called-tali-bane, would have little reason to be in force in these areas? For the Americans, they are terrorist, for them and the local population, they are freedom fighters. Charles |
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Post by nathanael on Aug 22, 2008 13:55:41 GMT -7
Atlantis, the reason why I am disappointed with your argument is as follows: Every person has a moral duty to feel responsible for the world. Everything less than that is a cop-out unworthy of human beings! John Paul II made this clear countless times, especially in his doctoral dissertation, Ocena mo¿liwoœci zbudowania etyki chrzescijanskiej przy za³o¿eniach Maksa Schelera, pp. 103-107. (The Possibility of Constructing a Christian Ethics Based on the System of Max Scheler), and of course in the encyclicals Laborem exercens and Sollicitudo rei socialis. In those amazing works, Bp. Wojty³a, and then John Paul II, states that "good and evil is subordinated to man's relation to God, [and that] the Christian ethics, for that reason, has a religious character." He also asks all Christians to become responsible for the world, by speaking out on what is good. What Christians should do, is not to judge or condemn, but to read the signs of the times, sense the dangers, and offer Godly advice in the light of the Spirit that is in them! This the least we must do for humanity. To do nothing would be defeatist and immoral and unworthy of Christians!
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Post by karl on Aug 22, 2008 16:19:41 GMT -7
Atlantis, the reason why I am disappointed with your argument is as follows: Every person has a moral duty to feel responsible for the world. Everything less than that is a cop-out unworthy of human beings! John Paul II made this clear countless times, especially in his doctoral dissertation, Ocena mo¿liwoœci zbudowania etyki chrzescijanskiej przy za³o¿eniach Maksa Schelera, pp. 103-107. (The Possibility of Constructing a Christian Ethics Based on the System of Max Scheler), and of course in the encyclicals Laborem exercens and Sollicitudo rei socialis. In those amazing works, Bp. Wojty³a, and then John Paul II, states that "good and evil is subordinated to man's relation to God, [and that] the Christian ethics, for that reason, has a religious character." He also asks all Christians to become responsible for the world, by speaking out on what is good. What Christians should do, is not to judge or condemn, but to read the signs of the times, sense the dangers, and offer Godly advice in the light of the Spirit that is in them! This the least we must do for humanity. To do nothing would be defeatist and immoral and unworthy of Christians! Nathanial I understand your meaning, and as-so, find no fault with you. For your house is with the house of God. My house is with the house of man. We have two separate missions of accomplishment. Your house deals with a foundation based upon perfection. My house is of a house built upon imperfections of the weakness that is inherent with man. I understand and use this concept. But, we do have a concept laid in the forefront of us on the table. That is the conceptional difference of: 1} Terrorist or 2} Freedom fighter For of Pakistan, what is to the West as Terrorist, is to them, a freedom fighter. And as so, they are protected within the confines of Pakistan. For the income of support, it is imperative that the opium crop be of harvested in Afghanistan. If the occupational military in Afghanistan is to be effective, then for what reason as not to burn this cash cropen of opium for as to keep it out of the Taliban? It would so seem of the difference between what is correct, or what is wrong, would be to who it will benefit. I like your house the better  Karl |
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Post by nathanael on Aug 30, 2008 12:45:33 GMT -7
So, now we hear that the Pakistanis are burying their women alive if they say in public whom they would want to marry. "These are centuries-old traditions and I will continue to defend them," Israr Ullah Zehri, who represents Baluchistan province, said Saturday. "Only those who indulge in immoral acts should be afraid." The immediate question is: Who decides what is moral? The even more important question is: Who has the right to take other person's life? Obviously these people, and this judge, are a different kind of humanity the world knows! What is more, these tribes, and this judge, are the reason behind all that is wrong in Pakistan! This is not medieval: this is Barbarian and Neanderthal! The world needs to send thousands of moral instructors to Pakistan, or they will kill each other by the sheer breath and breadth of their insanity!
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Post by karl on Aug 30, 2008 13:52:39 GMT -7
So, now we hear that the Pakistanis are burying their women alive if they say in public whom they would want to marry. "These are centuries-old traditions and I will continue to defend them," Israr Ullah Zehri, who represents Baluchistan province, said Saturday. "Only those who indulge in immoral acts should be afraid." The immediate question is: Who decides what is moral? The even more important question is: Who has the right to take other person's life? Obviously these people, and this judge, are a different kind of humanity the world knows! What is more, these tribes, and this judge, are the reason behind all that is wrong in Pakistan! This is not medieval: this is Barbarian and Neanderthal! The world needs to send thousands of moral instructors to Pakistan, or they will kill each other by the sheer breath and breadth of their insanity! Nathanael You of course do know that Pakistan was created in year of 1947 as partitioned by the British India Empire. This was to formate India into two parts being of: 1} Dominion of Pakistan 2} Republic of India As being, Pakistan is not so different from that of India, as being a carry over of all things not so good. For one thing there is the religion aspect that if very much of confusion to us as Western, but to them, it all makes much sense. Whilst in other areas of life as they {Pakistanis/Indians} keep as of them selves as making do with what they have to live with. With one,is the matter of marriage by betrothal. One set of parents, will give to the other set of parents, their daughter to be married to the other's son. This is all well and good for the two families, {if} the fellow will find the other's daughter to meet with his eye as fair and liking to his senses. If not, then what? Well in this case, the not-so-pleasing to the eye of the husband of now wife, is in a problem area. For she is much aware of her possible fate. For the common fuel for cooking in India/Pakistan, is paraffin {I think you Americans call it Kerosene} For this is the common cause of many accidents in both that of Pakistand/India.. And as so the events will progress. The now dissatisfied husband stuck with a very undesirable woman {wife} that meets not his eye of pleasure. Will provide cause of a very nasty deadly accident to his wife of becoming the victim of a cooking accident of that she is burnt alive. And now he is free as a grieving widower looking for a new wife to serve as mother to his children. Now, my post reply is not a meaning to embarrass, but only to clarify. Would by chance you mean {burning?} as not of {burying?}. Bear as of mind, even though I have worked in/out of Syria for some years, Pakistan and India are not of a stranger. Karl |
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Post by nathanael on Aug 31, 2008 2:02:15 GMT -7
Sorry. I read the news quite carefully. The article spoke of "women being buried alive" (I will provide the link if I find it). This is not new way of killing in Pakistan! They are buried up to their heads, and then the heads are stoned to death! But, ultimately my point was not what kind of death, but the cruelty thereof! No civilized people should treat their women like this! These people are utterly dehumanized!
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Post by karl on Aug 31, 2008 8:14:16 GMT -7
Sorry. I read the news quite carefully. The article spoke of "women being buried alive" (I will provide the link if I find it). This is not new way of killing in Pakistan! They are buried up to their heads, and then the heads are stoned to death! But, ultimately my point was not what kind of death, but the cruelty thereof! No civilized people should treat their women like this! These people are utterly dehumanized! Nathanael You are very correct..yes they were buried alive. Local tribes people are a very strange people, with some very strange mores. How ever strange they are, it is these customs that keep them aligned with survival. A very good excellent manner of avoiding some dangerous situations, is to treat of them very lightly, conclude your business quickly, and insure a quick departure out of their area with-none interference. www.pakspectator.com/five-pakistani-women-buried-alive-by-brother-of-ppp-minister/Your information is fine Nathanael, be concerned not of those of myself. Just stay the roadway, for that is your direction. Karl |
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Post by nathanael on Sept 12, 2008 12:48:45 GMT -7
By NBC News’ Shahid Qazi and Carol Grisanti
BABAKOT, Pakistan – In a tangle of bushes and trees outside a remote village in southwest Pakistan, six close male relatives of three teenage girls dug a 4-foot wide by 6-foot deep ditch, on a sweltering night in mid-July, and allegedly buried the girls alive.
The girls' crime: they dared to defy the will of their fathers and the customs of their tribe and choose their own husbands. The mother of one of the girls and the aunt of another were shot and killed while begging for the girls’ lives, according to local media reports.
What else there is to say? Animals!
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Post by karl on Sept 12, 2008 15:36:15 GMT -7
By NBC News’ Shahid Qazi and Carol Grisanti BABAKOT, Pakistan – In a tangle of bushes and trees outside a remote village in southwest Pakistan, six close male relatives of three teenage girls dug a 4-foot wide by 6-foot deep ditch, on a sweltering night in mid-July, and allegedly buried the girls alive. The girls' crime: they dared to defy the will of their fathers and the customs of their tribe and choose their own husbands. The mother of one of the girls and the aunt of another were shot and killed while begging for the girls’ lives, according to local media reports. What else there is to say? Animals! Nathanael With this, I certainly do agree with your assessment in as much to {Animals of even a lesser degree}. This as similar has been a timely occurrence in Germany with some of the more radical Islamic communities. They attempt to hide their sins, and when found out, they use the old stand by of {rule of Islamic Law}, this will not hold true, for they are then arrested, detained in confinement, prosecuted for the crime, rather it be murder or assault with intent to kill. We have no death penalty, so these loused criminals will rot with their natural lives in prison. The then Islamic community will attempt to protest with gatherings and push their common will against German law. It is just a ruse to use religion for personal purpose of power. With the Indians {East Indian} The husband once not wishing to be married to his currant wife, will douse her with paraffin {cooking fuel} and light her up. He then testifies she died of a horrible accident. He then is free to marry another love of his life, usually, the new wife is well endowed with money. When truth is known,it more or less, unless a person is very careful, destroys the innate trust we hold of people of these lands. It is important we keep a proper focus for as not to let destroy of our selves. www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=13114Also important as focus of truth, not all Islamic societies are of these idiots. Kuwait has of recent, brought of two years past, the right for woman to vote, and encourage for them to do so. Syria, woman hold a great deal of rights that are not to be violated. For if a complaint is registered to the police, it must be acted upon. By Syrian law of womans rights, they have for only to them selves, a secret society only for woman. With this, are their timely meetings held in an open secret location. If a man should by his peril, attempt to enter of their meetings, he will be very grateful to be arrested by the police for his safety. Karl |
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