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Post by Jaga on Feb 23, 2009 23:06:15 GMT -7
Guys,
I am tired of these discussions which leads nowhere. It seems that whatever I would like present is seen just the opposite. My fault I even started talking about Israel's invasion of Gaza. I should know that nobody cares for lives of people who are outside of our security zones.
I am tired that some of the people complain about political discussions and then... they never post in Polish threads.
I am thinking about limiting the forum to just questions and answers about Poland, no any extra threads etc. Just in case somebody ask, somebody else can reply and help.
It takes me too much time and frustrations with all the other problems going on. There are some people who openly like to critcize everything I post as like "who cares". Do I ask them to care?
Maybe I became oversensitive, but I had enough.
Thanks all, especially our old friends for the cooperation through the years.
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Post by Pawian on Feb 24, 2009 1:33:14 GMT -7
Guys, I am tired of these discussions which leads nowhere. Don`t give up. Where`s your Polish perseverence? You should go on despite any criticism. It wasn`t a fault. The discussion continued for a few weeks, so it was a success. What is better - when people talk about sth or remain silent and just look? Unfortunately, a lot of good posters, especially from Poland or fondly connected with it, are gone for different reasons. It was a grave mistake to let them go in the past. But let`s not talk about it now. Then it would mean an almost total stop to activity in your forum. That would be a mistake. It is bad time now. Winter plus crisis add worries and multuiply problems. But in spring it will be better.  So what? Let them criticise, it is their free will. And you should be wiser than them. Don`t you realise they only want to check you out??? If you are really Polish? Jaga, you should be stronger than that. Don`t take it personally when people have a different opinion. It is their right. You say what you think is right and it is enough, there is no need to convince anybody to your side and it is wrong to consider it a personal failure. Oh, come on, it sounds like a farewell. We must live through the Great Depression, we will also live through the depression here. |
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Post by tuftabis on Feb 24, 2009 5:08:10 GMT -7
Jaga, we are all tired - it is the winter's end. Just let some time pass and all will look better! Today is the end of carnival, kuse dni  kind of turning point. We are already on the slope down to Madamme Spring's realm. Aby do wiosny... |
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Post by dbkaczor on Feb 24, 2009 6:11:42 GMT -7
jaga,
you are being over-sensitive. could be the stress you are experiencing right now. the topic "why nobody posts" went off in a completely different direction. that was annoying. can we stick to the topic at least then hold the other discussion somewhere else? as far as no one caring about people dying elsewhere in the world is not fair for you to say. of course we all care i would hope. but right now each of us is pretty distracted by our own state of affairs and that goes for everyone else in the world not just americans.
tuftabis is right. where is your polish perseverance? we are in this together, these are tough times for all of us now and we need to vent more than ever. please don't change that. i am thankful for this forum. it brings relief and puts me in a good mood everyday.
if there is anything i can do for this forum, to ease burden on anyone, i would be glad to offer my assistance.
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Post by pieter on Feb 24, 2009 6:58:49 GMT -7
Guys, I am tired of these discussions which leads nowhere. It seems that whatever I would like present is seen just the opposite. My fault I even started talking about Israel's invasion of Gaza. I should know that nobody cares for lives of people who are outside of our security zones. I am tired that some of the people complain about political discussions and then... they never post in Polish threads. I am thinking about limiting the forum to just questions and answers about Poland, no any extra threads etc. Just in case somebody ask, somebody else can reply and help. It takes me too much time and frustrations with all the other problems going on. There are some people who openly like to critcize everything I post as like "who cares". Do I ask them to care? Maybe I became oversensitive, but I had enough. Thanks all, especially our old friends for the cooperation through the years. Jaga, I agree with what Pawian wrote, and in the same time I think that your Pro-Palestinian sound was refreshing in a country which is overwhelmingly Pro-Israeli, whether it's from a Democratic party, Republican or Independant view. I think that many rejected your items and views, but some read and viewed it with interest. It showed the other side and gave a ballance, which was not there in the previous one sided position. Don't underestimate this! Sometimes it is important to show impopular views or opinions to give differant sides of a conflict or a topic. I agree with Pawain that your topic created debate and discussion, and therefor it was succesful. Even when it got fierce resistance. I work as a political journalist on a local radio station, and every week there are fierce clashes between left and rightwing parties, between centre left and radical left parties and opinions. Also between local (city) parties and the local branches of National parties. It's like the Pro-Palestinian and Pro-Israeli camps in the Gaza conflict. For my work I have to interview Aldermen, public servants, real estate companies, bureaucrats, politicians and artists, and most often it is about conflicts of interests, opposing parties and hostile groups. A good debate means in that context a good clash of differant views or interests! Please keep the Forum going like it is! The Polish section and the international section! Poland is not an isolated country or Island on it's own. Poland is an important European country with a large diaspora in the world. The Polish economy, Polish foreign affairs (EU representation, NATO-membership, participation in Peace Enforcement missions, the Polish connection with both the Israeli's and Palestinians), the Polish bilateral and multilateral engagement in international issues, the Polish UN membership, Polish export, and the Polish relationship with Germany, Russia, the United States and Israel. The Israeli relationship with the others has also and impact on the Polish-Israeli relationship. Pieter |
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Post by Jaga on Feb 24, 2009 10:29:26 GMT -7
Guys,
thanks for your comments. They were really good. I know that some of you, like Pieter, has extremely deep knowledge what is going on in the world. Some of you looked at things one way all the life and it is hard to switch. I feel the same. For me it took quite a time to be able to understand things from a different perspective and maybe I go to the extreme now also, seeing things too much from a different view.
You are right. It is the end of winter and everybody is tired. I hate seeing people sometimes calmly leaving the forum without even knowing why.
Referring to perserverence, we started the forum over 8 years ago. It was moved a couple of times. It is a long time already. But it is good to see new faces as well as old faces.
I am very happy that we still have the members since the very beginning when we were created like: Kaima, Eric, Carl, uncleJohn, Karl. Did I forgot somebody? They are helping a lot.
The most important. Please, do not forget that this is a Polish Culture Forum in the first place. We are here to learn about Polish/EE culture and traditions.
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Post by iloveapolishgirl on Feb 24, 2009 20:53:40 GMT -7
Well, I can't say about any of the above.. I just joined to try to find some help in proposing to my polish girlfriend and, well, all the political stuff... sure I have have many thoughts and opinions, but don't see this as the place to present them ... I am very happy that this forum exists... but I don't have a huge amount to offer, I'm afraid. I know really little about poland, other than what I know about my girlfriend, which isn't as much as I would like! So, for me, at least, I look to here to learn, not to educate.. to learn more about what my love's life is like and her history. And for that, for me, this place is great!! I just got back from a week long trip with her and my daughter to disney world.. not many polish revilations from that!!  But a wonderful trip and fantastic experience for all of us. So I thank you very much for providing this wonderful forum. And, I am sorry I cannot contribute more. But, I really don't see any way I can do so. Thanks, dvc |
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Post by rabia1muweis on Apr 1, 2009 3:03:00 GMT -7
Forum is very, very impressive please dont be sad , I regret that I wrote a lot about topics not related to Poland and assumed that the Forum of Polish culture, i will Stop writing Perhaps I will just read
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Post by pieter on Apr 1, 2009 3:32:52 GMT -7
Forum is very, very impressive please dont be sad , I regret that I wrote a lot about topics not related to Poland and assumed that the Forum of Polish culture, i will Stop writing Perhaps I will just read Rabia, Please keep writing and showing your Lebanese and personal individual view, because you are the only woman from the Middle east here! Maybe we can try to focus a little bit more on the old ties Poland has with the Middle east, with both the Arab nations and Israel. It irritates me in that in the debate in the West (my continent Europe and in America) the fact is ignored that Israel is a country with Arab, Bedouin, Druze, Armenian and Middle east-ern (Yemenite, Maroccan, Iraqi and Iranian Jewish) elements too! You are a voice of the Levant, of a multi-ethnic, multi-cultural country with old Sumerian roots! Lebanon and Beirut once was the Paris and France of the Middle east. Modern, with beautiful architecture, the financial capital of the Arab world, a cultural and artistic centre, and a place where Shia, Sunni, Arab Maronite Christians (Lebanese Forces, the Phalange), Druze and Armenian christians lived together in relative peace. That changed after the Civil war that started in the seventees and ended in the late eightees. I knew a Lebanese girl in a student house where my girlfriend (also a student) lived in Amsterdam in 1991. Sometimes we heard her scream and cry at night and cry, because of her nightmares of the Civil war in Lebanon. At night the terror of that war came back to her! She was a very gentle and sophisticated girl, very smart and very Lebanese in her looks and the way she behaved. She came from a mixed Lebanese family, of Christian and Muslim descent. Her father was a Maronite Christian and her mother an Sunni muslim woman. She stayed Muslim and he was a devout Christian. The civil war tore her family appart, due to the green line in Beirut and the terror of the differant militia's. Next to that you had the interfearance of Syria and Israel in Lebanon. The situation was very complicated back then whith militia coalitions which changed sides or coalitions and bloodbaths against the differant ethnic groups. Far right Phalange militia's, far left (Communist or Marxist) militia's who sided with the Sunni forces, Amal and Hezbollah competing with eachother, a weak Lebanese army. The role of the Syrian secret services who were everywhere and the Syrian army who controlled large parts of Lebanon. The support of Syria of Hezbollah and radical Palestinian fractions who opposed Arafat's Fatah and PLO, who had a stronghold in the Palestinian refugee camps. The tragic Palestinian infighting in these camps, and the clashes between Shia and Palestinian militia's. and the conflicts between Lebanese Christian forces and the Palestinians (Shaba and Shatila). And the role Israel played there after the 1982 invasion, with the Israeli backed South-Lebanese Army (a Pro-Israeli militia, who tortured and terrorised South-Lebanese civilians). I remember the beautiful Lebanon from before the Civil war of the stories the Lebanese girl showed me and the images in the photobook of her family in Beirut, her happy family, the beautiful house with the beautiful garden. The nice city with ancient buildings, nice trees, beautiful landscapes and a phantastic coast, where the Lebanese loved to spend their weekends and holidays. Arabs from all over the Middle east liked to go to Lebanon to visit Beirut and the Lebanese coast. Pieter |
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Post by redneck on Apr 1, 2009 12:54:28 GMT -7
Rabia,
I do hope that you would continue to post. I know that I have not appeared to be your biggest fan. I have learned new perspectives and know that your issues are important. I enjoy reading about the Arab perspective. Like Pieter, I have known many refugees from Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Somalia, Palestine, Iraq, and Iran. It is shameful what has been done to these people. You seem fairly moderate and it is your voice that must represent the Arab peoples if they wish to prosper.
-Tim
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Post by rabia1muweis on Apr 1, 2009 21:44:14 GMT -7
thank you very much This is kind of all |
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Post by Jaga on Apr 3, 2009 10:03:10 GMT -7
Rabia,
what happened to you. We need you back!!!!
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Post by RabiaMuweis on Apr 3, 2009 11:21:17 GMT -7
thank you Jaga
I am happy to stay here,I feel guilty because you feel tired And special topics that I write has nothing to do with Poland, I do not like to attack a border and I love this forum and I respect everyone without exception
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Post by Jaga on Apr 3, 2009 15:08:50 GMT -7
Rabia,
my information about me being tired had nothing to do with you. I was so upset to see you gone and I am so good that you are back. Give me some time, I have lots of things to talk to you about in the forum.
Please, never leave us again!
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Post by kaima on Apr 3, 2009 16:54:58 GMT -7
thank you Jaga I am happy to stay here,I feel guilty because you feel tired And special topics that I write has nothing to do with Poland, I do not like to attack a border and I love this forum and I respect everyone without exception Rabia, Also keep in mind that there are others of us on this forum who sometimes read your posts and often do not respond or comment. So yes, please stay with us. You add a healthy diversity to the normal news and opinion we hear. Kai |
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kind of turning point. We are already on the slope down to Madamme Spring's realm.
But a wonderful trip and fantastic experience for all of us.