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Post by Jaga on Oct 22, 2009 16:18:58 GMT -7
Please read it here: polishsite.us/index.php/lifestyle-and-entertainment/trends-and-fashion/427-environmental-pollution-in-poland.htmla quote from the article: How many of you know that the worst polluted part of Europe is so called black triangle between Southwestern Poland, Eastern Germany (Eastern Saxony) and Czech Republic (Northern Bohemia)? This area is shaped by the range of mountains, among them so called Giant Mountains (Karkonosze) of Sudeten chain. The mountains form a wind barrier which creates unfavorable conditions for the dispersion of pollution from three industrial centers, mainly brown coal mining. The mountains in the center of the triangle were affected by the acid rain from these industrial centers. It is estimated that 50% of the coniferous forest there disappeared between 1972 and 1989. Since 1991 all three countries of this region try to work together to alleviate this environmental disaster |
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Post by pieter on Nov 15, 2009 16:36:23 GMT -7
Get rid of the polutting industry, brown coal mining and replant area's were coniferous forest
disappeared. Get back that 50 % of forest. Maybe a solution would be investment in New economy,
new technology, ICT, hydrogen economy (fuel cells, new energy centers), service and toerist
oriented businesses and import energy instaid of producing polutting energy!
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Post by tuftabis on Nov 17, 2009 6:59:55 GMT -7
Get rid of the polutting industry, brown coal mining and replant area's were coniferous forest disappeared. Get back that 50 % of forest. Maybe a solution would be investment in New economy, new technology, ICT, hydrogen economy (fuel cells, new energy centers), service and toerist oriented businesses and import energy instaid of producing polutting energy! Pieter, the problem is that Poland still needs the old type energy sources, until the new sources are ready. Implementing the modtn technologies is extremely costly. We need to earn the money nedded to implement them usiing the old ones, just like the west did 1950-1990. If we close down all the pollution sources right now and plant the forests on our industrial land Poland would perhaps become a nice vacation spot for the tourists from the densly populated western parts of our Union. But not an economic power we have the ambition to be. |
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Post by pieter on Nov 18, 2009 18:49:30 GMT -7
Get rid of the polutting industry, brown coal mining and replant area's were coniferous forest disappeared. Get back that 50 % of forest. Maybe a solution would be investment in New economy, new technology, ICT, hydrogen economy (fuel cells, new energy centers), service and toerist oriented businesses and import energy instaid of producing polutting energy! Pieter, the problem is that Poland still needs the old type energy sources, until the new sources are ready. Implementing the modtn technologies is extremely costly. We need to earn the money nedded to implement them usiing the old ones, just like the west did 1950-1990. If we close down all the pollution sources right now and plant the forests on our industrial land Poland would perhaps become a nice vacation spot for the tourists from the densly populated western parts of our Union. But not an economic power we have the ambition to be. Tufta, Yes, it is a problem that Poland still needs the old type energy sources, until the new sources are ready. You ofcourse are right about that. Ofcourse implementing modern technologies is extremely costly. But in the same time Western consumers are demanding products that are produced environmentally friendly and want to use clean energy. The Pan-European market and economical European Union is growing and soon we will loose the thinking in West, Central and East. Actually when I look for instance at Polands economy, I think you are doing much better than many Western European economies. Germany is not going well, France and Great Brittain are struggeling. The small and middle big countries have governments who implemented strong cut backs in their bugets for spening on the economy. Soberness is the key word, not Keynesian investments in the economies. Brown coal and coal driven energy producing plants will be there for some time in Poland, the Czech repblic and Germany. The innovative new energies are in the beginning of their development and not yet very productive and commercialy of interest if you look at the return on assets. I agree on that with you unfortunately. I hope that you well educated, Modern and sophisticated (develloped) Central Europeans will have a faster and shorter tranformation to Modernity and an equal standard then let's say Western-Europe after WW2 when we compare it to the USA, who was modern from the 20's and 30's ( and America's prosperity and Modernisation went on the rest of the 20th centruy, well into the 21th century). You can't close down all your pollution sources today, but you can modernise them with the help and investments of European or Northern-American/Asian partners who could implement new techniques, which could be analysed and improved by Polish researchers from research institutes, and produced by Polish industries and companies. Poland has enough forest and enough country, lakes, towns, cities and mountains for a floreshing Tourist industry. Tourism is already a booming business in Poland, but (for me) luckily not that large as other countries (I don't like mass tourism). But yeah, mass tourism is good for Poland, the airports, the railways, the Polish horeca, the economies of towns, cities and regions. What sort of an economic power do you Poles have the ambition to be? Pieter |
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Post by tuftabis on Nov 19, 2009 5:48:11 GMT -7
. What sort of an economic power do you Poles have the ambition to be? Pieter A short comparison. The Netherlands has a population of 17 million ppl, who produce 672 billions of USD annually. Poland produces almost exactly the same value, but she has 38 million people. So, roughly, we need to at least double our GDP. If we do, and that is to happen in the nearest 25-40 years, our ambitions will be partly fullfilled ;D ;D |
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Post by Jaga on Nov 19, 2009 12:54:20 GMT -7
Hi Pieter,
I see two sides here. It is impossible to get rid of all heavy industry unless we will leave in the caves in the darkness (since candles also pollute the environment). But winters are quite cold in Eastern Europe.
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Post by pieter on Nov 19, 2009 16:25:46 GMT -7
. What sort of an economic power do you Poles have the ambition to be? Pieter A short comparison. The Netherlands has a population of 17 million ppl, who produce 672 billions of USD annually. Poland produces almost exactly the same value, but she has 38 million people. So, roughly, we need to at least double our GDP. If we do, and that is to happen in the nearest 25-40 years, our ambitions will be partly fullfilled ;D ;D Tufta, You got me there with your reality adn truth mixed with an exellent sense of humor. ;D The Netherlands traditional has heavy chemical industry with Akzo-Nobel, Philips, Unilever, the Oil refineries next to the port of Rotterdam and one of the largest transport sectors in Europe (a lot of highways and roads with trucks, vans and cars carrying goods. And a lot of the drivers of those Dutch trucks are Poles). The Dutch extensive modern agriculture is very polluting too! The food industry (Unilever and the Dutch farmers who produce for them) is one of the biggest polluters. The manure of Dutch cows and pigs produces a lot of ammonia. Next to that we got polluted air from Great Brittain and Scandinavia, and by land from Belgium, Germany and France (via Belgium and Germany too). Pieter |
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Post by pieter on Nov 19, 2009 16:29:28 GMT -7
Hi Pieter, I see two sides here. It is impossible to get rid of all heavy industry unless we will leave in the caves in the darkness (since candles also pollute the environment). But winters are quite cold in Eastern Europe. Jaga, You are quite right too! It takes time to improve things. Poland is on the right track towards a Polish WirtschaftswunderPieter Link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirtschaftswunder (in English) pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirtschaftswunder (in Polish) |
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Post by tuftabis on Nov 20, 2009 3:25:06 GMT -7
Hi Pieter, I see two sides here. It is impossible to get rid of all heavy industry unless we will leave in the caves in the darkness (since candles also pollute the environment). But winters are quite cold in Eastern Europe. e-x-a-c-t-l-y! |
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Post by pieter on Nov 22, 2009 6:21:50 GMT -7
The Polish Economy
Polands agriculture is mostly privately run and was so even during the Communist years. It accounts for 5% of the gross domestic product and occupies more than 15% of the workforce. Poland is generally self-sufficient in food; the main crops are potatoes, sugar beets, rye, wheat, and dairy products. Pigs and sheep are the main livestock. Poland is relatively rich in natural resources; the chief minerals produced are coal, sulfur, copper, silver, lead, and zinc. There is food and beverage processing, shipbuilding, and the manufacture of machinery, iron and steel products, chemicals, glass, and textiles.
Industry, which had been state controlled, began to be privatized in the early 1990s, although restructuring and privatization of the country's coal and other energy industries and the railroads has moved forward slowly, when it has progressed at all. Prices were freed, subsidies were reduced, and Poland's currency (the zloty) was made convertible as the country began the difficult transition to a free-market economy. Reforms initially resulted in high unemployment, hyperinflation, shortages of consumer goods, a large external debt, and a general drop in the standard of living. The situation later stabilized, however, and during the 1990s Poland's economy was the fastest growing in E Europe. Growth slowed significantly in 2001, and by 2006 Poland had the highest unemployment rate in the European Union. Poland exports machinery and transportation equipment, manufactured goods, food, and live animals. Imports include machinery and transportation equipment, manufactured goods, chemicals, minerals, and fuels. Germany, Russia, Italy, France, and the Netherlands are important trading partners.
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