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Post by karl on Mar 4, 2010 14:53:41 GMT -7
I am sorry to prolong my part here and intrude again but please bear for a while. Since I become active in this conversation and will not be sure to prolong it few next days let me speak. Karl, I have no unanbridged Webster dictionary but use online free dictionary. www.thefreedictionary.com/ProudnessThe FIRST meaning is '1. Feeling pleasurable satisfaction over an act, possession, quality, or relationship by which one measures one's stature or self-worth: proud of one's child; proud to serve one's country.' You must dig really deep to understand to be proud as stiff upper lip. As to Americans. Yes I will say it even here in Polish-American forum, the American are generally are very proud. I read Kaima and other here. Not arrogant. Is he exception to the rule or a rule? But this all not important Karl . Important is - so what do we do. We all take your Webster book, take sophisticated kindness, tolerance, manners. We put proud in dustbin. And then we go face the proud, very proud external world. Not just America, as in the bottom they are what we are. Everybody proud except we, Europe. We are too sophisticate to be proud. And we are no more. Cube How well do I enjoy your exchange, for you make the mind work.. The English language is so filled with entrapments as to be somewhat confusing. But whilst as this is, it is also a work of flexibility. And it is of this, that creates a great deal of difficulty. Upon reading of your findings, also was I to recheck with my English Dictionary with much additional. My findings are based upon the initial word description. Even though I am very proficient in English, it is easy to be trapped with a word that for one meaning, whilst not so to the receiver of that word. In as much as I believe that of which has no occurred between your self and my self. For as you are the master of your language, I will of course deem as to your description as final. It is good we have these conversational exchanges, for in self, to others {exampled as of my self} a great deal is learnt and placed in the mind as a resource for betterment of speaking correctly. Cube, please do not become disgruntled, for you are in a teaching position at this moment. For my self and perhaps other with a similar situation, but for to save embarrassment, will choose to be silent. We have use of spell check technology, but to only insure the word is correctly spell. But, the technology as good as it is, is not good enough to insure correct use of the word. Thank you again for your patience Cube Karl
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Post by pieter on Mar 4, 2010 15:39:21 GMT -7
The English Patriotic song "Three lions flag with song 'Jerusalem'" is beautiful:
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Post by pieter on Mar 4, 2010 16:01:40 GMT -7
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Post by cube on Mar 5, 2010 2:50:20 GMT -7
I am sorry to prolong my part here and intrude again but please bear for a while. Since I become active in this conversation and will not be sure to prolong it few next days let me speak. Karl, I have no unanbridged Webster dictionary but use online free dictionary. www.thefreedictionary.com/ProudnessThe FIRST meaning is '1. Feeling pleasurable satisfaction over an act, possession, quality, or relationship by which one measures one's stature or self-worth: proud of one's child; proud to serve one's country.' You must dig really deep to understand to be proud as stiff upper lip. As to Americans. Yes I will say it even here in Polish-American forum, the American are generally are very proud. I read Kaima and other here. Not arrogant. Is he exception to the rule or a rule? But this all not important Karl . Important is - so what do we do. We all take your Webster book, take sophisticated kindness, tolerance, manners. We put proud in dustbin. And then we go face the proud, very proud external world. Not just America, as in the bottom they are what we are. Everybody proud except we, Europe. We are too sophisticate to be proud. And we are no more. Cube How well do I enjoy your exchange, for you make the mind work.. The English language is so filled with entrapments as to be somewhat confusing. But whilst as this is, it is also a work of flexibility. And it is of this, that creates a great deal of difficulty. Upon reading of your findings, also was I to recheck with my English Dictionary with much additional. My findings are based upon the initial word description. Even though I am very proficient in English, it is easy to be trapped with a word that for one meaning, whilst not so to the receiver of that word. In as much as I believe that of which has no occurred between your self and my self. For as you are the master of your language, I will of course deem as to your description as final. It is good we have these conversational exchanges, for in self, to others {exampled as of my self} a great deal is learnt and placed in the mind as a resource for betterment of speaking correctly. Cube, please do not become disgruntled, for you are in a teaching position at this moment. For my self and perhaps other with a similar situation, but for to save embarrassment, will choose to be silent. We have use of spell check technology, but to only insure the word is correctly spell. But, the technology as good as it is, is not good enough to insure correct use of the word. Thank you again for your patience Cube Karl Karl, in end you may be right. Intention of use makes meaning of the word. What is the intentention of Krzys we don't know yet. I think it is always better to give chance than neglect strite away. Thanks for YOUR patience!~
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Post by pieter on Mar 5, 2010 12:35:07 GMT -7
Krzysrapacz, Cube, Jaga, Pawian, Tufta and others, Be proud of Poland and I am not offended, be great patriots and contribute to you country or in the case of Jaga in the country of your ancestry, roots and upbringing. Taking pride from your culture, people, language (literature, poetry, songs/lyrics, oral tradition), national brand of religion (the special Polish version of Roman Catholism), a Polish mentality and behavior which is created by many generations during centuries of development, struggle, losses and victories is not bad. But I want to destinguish between positive Patriotism and negative Nationalism. You have the version of Being Proud of is Poland - Germans, Russians and jews. I have experianced it in Poland myself personally. A Polish stubborn Proudness which was isolationalist, xenophobe, Poland above all, exclusive, reactionairy and closed. A Polish "Show your Polish Pride" next to and with respect for instance a new German Pride (" Verfassungspartiotismus or Bundespatriotismus", is German " Constitutional or Federal Patriotism" = the German pride of the German democratic state after the second word war!), French Pride, Dutch Pride, Danish Pride, Italian Pride, Spanish Pride and British Pride is Ok! A Polish " progressive" Patriotism is acceptable, because a National pride as part of a European union, European cooperation and consensus is workable. Strict dogmatic Nationalism in the sense of Social darwinism, feeling oneself superior as a people and looking down on others has lead to many bloody wars in Europe and centuries and decades of oppression. Think about the Prussian, Austrian and Russian nationalism and pride which lead to the partititions of Poland, and the attempt by the Prussians and (Czartistic) Russians to Germanise and Russificate Poland. They failed! But stil, blind nationalism or " hollow pride" just of an ethnic and cultural background is nothing! One can be proud of historical, artistic, scientific, political, sportive and human achievements, not just proud of an ethnic background, because most ethnic backgrounds are good and everybody is equal in a civilized and sophisticated world of educated and sensable sensetive human beings! The Polish Patriotism of the Polish intelligentsia which fought against the Czars, Nazi's, Stalinists, Communists and in some minor cases against to much power for the clergy is exellent! Ik like this Moderate Polish Catholic Patriotism which is rooted in AK ( Armia Krajowa), KOR (Komitet Obrony Robotnikow, which succesfully managed to unite Polish intellectuals and Polish workers, a great achievement) Solidarnosc and a new generation of free Poles (free of Communism, fascism and foreign Nationalistic and imperialistic opression!) Maybe I reacted to this topic like I did because in my country there is a political turn to the right for political, nationalistic, ethnic and populistic reasons. There is a " SHOW YOUR DUTCH PRIDE" movement or development against anything or everything Non-Dutch, non-European immigrants, Central- and Eastern-Europeans ( Poles) and etc. I consider this as bad, because it is like I described it above here isolationalist, xenophobe, racist, closed, reactionairy and rightwing (simplistic) populist. Mind you this is differant than for instance independant (conservative) or Republican American rightwing Patriotism, the PiS or PO Polish Patriotism, this is a very disciplined, strict, dogmatic, secular Dutch Nationalism of a very far right brand! It is a very intelligent and manipulative brand, because it is an offspring of a respectable, centre-right, PO like party, the VVD, in the Netherlands. I am worried about it and that's why I was worried and warning about simplistic Pride of ones Nationality or Nation and Pride of a heritage. Cube your Polish pride or being Proud of Poland is wonderful! pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partia_Wolno%C5%9Bci_%28Holandia%29 (Polish) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_for_Freedom (English) de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partij_voor_de_Vrijheid (Deutsch) Pieter P.S.- And I met this far right Neo-Nazi leader, who lives in Arnhem like I do, he is even more extreme than the larger PVV of Wilders, fortunately he got very few votes! Last weeks I saw him three times at debates with other political leaders. Constant Kusters, Dutch Neo-Nazi leader in Dortmund Germany. He states that West-Poland, the former German territory, should be given back to Germany, in front for a far right German Neo-Nazi crowd!
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Post by cube on Mar 6, 2010 3:25:46 GMT -7
It is very normal your reaction with the views you have and presentation ideal. There are always endargement of far right. Right you are especially in Germany by Poles is watched close and tight. The system in Germany is keeping up with the problem, I think, no? There is diferentation between harm of partnership inside block and the benefit of all Western block. Good to stick parochial petty problems in your pocket for every one is EU. And all thinking guys do it. If all goes well as it goes what the difference for German skinhead if Poland owns lands German long long ago, Poland's in turn even more long ago. What the dfifference for them when German and Pole succeed like Germany and France. In 30 years will no difference for anyone. Just look closely and see if these guys are not taken over by luntatic cold leaders and manoeuvre us all into sheeeeet. Poles learn German in Germany and don't turn Germany into some some exotic land. Germans in Poland learn Polish and othewise than socks in sandals do look and act quite alike us. Otherwise this ugly baldhead have some reason , you must agree. There is endargement of Eu is a fact. The far right anti-Polish in Germany Poland is capable to take care very well – through getting stronger and stronger economy and culture. To be the strong partner of Berlin, Paris is best shield for parochial nationalism in Germany East. And the same way – make the East German economy as excellent as West and this parochial nationalism disappear. How to best get this industry, service growth in Poland , East Germany? By cooperation. People understand this. To me the endangerment is not from historic conflict between EU states prolongation until present. Not even Russia and the unstable grey zone between. It come from the inside and was done with our own attitude. The wrong understood tolerance inside Eu states. Now it is to the wisdom of general people to make authentic feelings in skinhead be transformed into acts. Even the extremal have some true grain, always. If this true grain is accepted in general trends the extremals lose their strenght of nonsense part. If denied they grow wild, nuts, uncontrollable. I hope something is undestood from what I wrote, I am not in best shape today I followed JJ's advice with violin music and Spiritus on Ice but chose wine option . Thanks JJ!
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Post by cube on Mar 6, 2010 3:39:38 GMT -7
Toy story [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIOTlXu2Vsc&feature=related [/youtube] Kieslowski Beksinski Riverside Warlikowski Abakanowicz Glowacki Leopard People
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Post by cube on Mar 6, 2010 3:51:07 GMT -7
Owsiak
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Post by cube on Mar 6, 2010 3:54:00 GMT -7
and the best hit to me of all existing!
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Post by cube on Mar 9, 2010 11:12:33 GMT -7
A movie 30 minute about Chopin. Really, really good. Eight languages translatation to choose from.
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Post by karl on Mar 9, 2010 16:26:36 GMT -7
Cube
Thank for the continence of Chopin. For also do I enjoy of his Piano and his music. It is best enjoyed whilst reclining with eyes shut. For then to concentrate in silence for his music to render through the senses with splendor.
For of Chopin, his music is of the Piano, although some time past, I enjoyed the good fortune of hearing the Harpsichord rendition, it was simply wonderful.
It is to our known world to preserve the works of the masters, for never again will they be equaled by any of the modern world as we know it.
Others of equal being of:Mozart Beethoven Bach and Wagner were equal in splendor. For each brought to the senses a different flavour of their works, and each equally important.
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Post by cube on Mar 11, 2010 3:35:46 GMT -7
Cube Thank for the continence of Chopin. For also do I enjoy of his Piano and his music. It is best enjoyed whilst reclining with eyes shut. For then to concentrate in silence for his music to render through the senses with splendor. For of Chopin, his music is of the Piano, although some time past, I enjoyed the good fortune of hearing the Harpsichord rendition, it was simply wonderful. It is to our known world to preserve the works of the masters, for never again will they be equaled by any of the modern world as we know it. Others of equal being of:Mozart Beethoven Bach and Wagner were equal in splendor. For each brought to the senses a different flavour of their works, and each equally important. Karl and Haendel! Thanks for responder and I am glad you like the film. I hope other will watch it too, it's very cool.
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