How Russian government get rid of its critics

[bujno]

admin said:

Eric,

what about this woman - a journalist who was killed in front of her house some time ago, maybe two weeks before Litvinienko. Russian sercet service is very strong!

Yes, Politkovska. Unfortunetely it is not just her and Litvinienko.

Sergey Yushenko, Nikolay Girenko, Murat Kudaev, Andrey Kozlov, Evgeny Gerasimenko, Pavel Khlebnikov, and many many more. All those dissidents were recently murdered. Or did they kill themelves as was suggested in Litvinienko's case.

[Jaga]

Bujno,

yes, itis hard to believe that all these enemies of Russia just killed themselves. It is also hard to believe that Litvinienko was working on building the dirty bomb. First of all - not a right material, second of all - what for? I do not think that Litvinienko had any links to Alqueda.

[sciwriter]

Litvinenko defected to England and was a British subject. Russian mafia may have killed him because he refused to support their business deals in England.

[constantine]

bujno said:

admin said:

Yes, Politkovska. Unfortunetely it is not just her and Litvinienko.
Sergey Yushenko, Nikolay Girenko, Murat Kudaev, Andrey Kozlov, Evgeny Gerasimenko, Pavel Khlebnikov, and many many more. All those dissidents were recently murdered. Or did they kill themelves as was suggested in Litvinienko's case.

Hmm, sorry but i think that some sort of jumble in the heads of my Western friends....Really 1.)S.Yuschenko is not a Russian dissident he is Ukranian president. May be Yushenkov? But he was killed for Berezovskiy's money by his partner; 2.) A.Kozlov was a Russian official who was killed for his activity in banking by banking gangsters. 3.) P.Khlebnikov was killed by order of Chechen bandit.
Who was N.Girenko, M.Kudaev or E.Gerasimenko i don't know but i have great confidence that they were not dissidents....Sorry

[bujno]

Kostia, Ukrainian president is Yushchenko. And Sergey Yushenkov was a co-chairman of the Liberal Russia party, who was gunned down at the entrance of his apartment in Moscow. Or did he kill himself? And so on, and so on in case of each dissidents name I have metioned here...

[sciwriter]

The book on the spy who went into the cold. Carl:

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Alexander Litvinenko, et al.,“Blowing up Russia

Editorial Reviews

Book Description
This three volume edition of articles, interviews, statements and letters,
is written by well known Russian politician and businessman Boris
Berezovsky, who lives presently in exile in London. The collection is a
brilliant reflection of the current political struggle between the past
and the present Russia, between new wave reformist Boris Berezovsky and
the authoritarian Russian president Vladimir Putin. Each volume comes with
an index, and should be very useful to anyone who is interested in
contemporary Russia.
The second volume includes documented materials, statements and interviews
describing the whole story of the conflict between Alexander Litvinenko
and FSB (Russian Security Service) for the period of 1998-2005.

About the Author
Yuri Felshinsky studied history at the Moscow State Pedagogical Institute.
In 1978 he immigrated to the US and studied history at Brandeis University
and Rutgers, where he received his Ph.D. He was the first citizen of a
foreign state to be awarded a doctoral degree in Russia.
His previous books include: "Towards a History of Isolation " (London
1988; Moscow 1991);"The Failure of World Revolution" (London 1991; Moscow
1992); "Big Bosses" (Moscow 1999).
Alexander Litvinenko served in the Russian military for more than 20 years
achieving the ranks of Lieutenant-Colonel. In 1988 he served in the
counterintelligence agencies of the Soviet KGB and from 1991 in the
Central Staff of the MB-FSK-FSB, specializing in counter-terrorist
activities and organized crime.
He worked in the most secret areas of the KGB, the Department for the
Analysis of Criminal Organizations, as a senior operational officer and
deputy head of the Seventh Section.
In 1988, at a Moscow press conference, he publicly criticized the
leadership of the FSB and disclosed a number if illegal orders which he
had received. In 1999 he was arrested on trumped-up charges and
imprisoned. After winning his case, he was arrested again and charged with
added crimes against the state.
He escaped from Russia, and now lives with his family in Great Britain,
where he was granted political asylum in May 2001.

[constantine]

bujno said:

Kostia, Ukrainian president is Yushchenko. And Sergey Yushenkov was a co-chairman of the Liberal Russia party, who was gunned down at the entrance of his apartment in Moscow. Or did he kill himself? And so on, and so on in case of each dissidents name I have metioned here...

Hem...but you wrote Yushenko not Yushenkov . BTW, his party was financed by Berezovskiy, I think that it's something oddly that all this corpses lies around one person. Well, as to Litvinenko, I think that he was a greedy jackal and provoker...and was killed by his patron Berezovskiy

[bujno]

constantine said:

bujno said:

Kostia, Ukrainian president is Yushchenko. And Sergey Yushenkov was a co-chairman of the Liberal Russia party, who was gunned down at the entrance of his apartment in Moscow. Or did he kill himself? And so on, and so on in case of each dissidents name I have metioned here...

Hem...but you wrote Yushenko not Yushenkov . BTW, his party was financed by Berezovskiy, I think that it's something oddly that all this corpses lies around one person. Well, as to Litvinenko, I think that he was a greedy jackal and provoker...and was killed by his patron Berezovskiy

Look at book description from the link sent by Sciwriter:

>>>This three volume edition of articles, interviews, statements and letters, is written by well known Russian politician and businessman Boris Berezovsky, who lives presently in exile in London. The collection is a brilliant reflection of the current political struggle between the past and the present Russia, between new wave reformist Boris Berezovsky and the authoritarian Russian president Vladimir Putin<<<

Do you think that it is mostly the 'new Russia' that uses guns, poison to win. Or is it the 'past Russia' that wants to defend her the way she always did - with guns, poison, provocation. Forget the forgotten 'v', tell me want you think. Do you really think that all those sudden deaths and all those prosecutions (like Khodorkovski, Kasparov, Yuri Rizhkov and many other) have nothing in common with the old KGB-ist that leads Russia bock into 1950ties??

[constantine]

bujno said:

constantine said:

Do you really think that all those sudden deaths and all those prosecutions (like Khodorkovski, Kasparov, Yuri Rizhkov and many other) have nothing in common with the old KGB-ist that leads Russia bock into 1950ties??

Well, Khodorkovskiy is a thief, and thief must be in prison. There is dangerous castom in Western media to represent various political riffraff as "dissidents" or "fighters for freedom".

[bujno]

The problem is that accusations presented to Khodorkovski could as well be presented to all oligarchs. As they all he was no saint. The point is that Putin (no saint either) got furious because Khodorkovski tried to behave 'normally' from some point on. His businesses became transparent, and from a thief he turned a philanthropist. ANd most of all - he demonstrated political ambitions, and could be a threat to Putin's rule, if democracy was ia system n Russia.
Thats the only difference between Khodorkovski and oligarchs that are still prospering. And it is just the same as was in Russia for ages. You probably know well the story of Strogonoff family and car Michail Fiedorovitch? They were to pay Kremlin 40,000 rubles, to fill the emptied treasury after Russia paid 20,000 rubles for peace with Sweden.Stogonoffs complained that it is too much, they have no such sum. And car said - you have to have the sum, as without me you are nothing. They understood, paid and prospered. Khodorkovski just didn't get the lesson.

[Jaga]

constantine said:

bujno said:

constantine said:

Do you really think that all those sudden deaths and all those prosecutions (like Khodorkovski, Kasparov, Yuri Rizhkov and many other) have nothing in common with the old KGB-ist that leads Russia bock into 1950ties??

Well, Khodorkovskiy is a thief, and thief must be in prison. There is dangerous castom in Western media to represent various political riffraff as "dissidents" or "fighters for freedom".

Khodorovky was a communistic guy before he became rich. In Russia almost everybody at the power level is a thief - whether you talk about Khodorovsky or Putin friends. But obviously Putin would not put in jail his friends but the rivals and competitions.

The word "thief" in communistic system or ex-communistic system of Russia is the relative term.

[constantine]

admin said:

constantine said:

bujno said:

Khodorovky was a communistic guy before he became rich. In Russia almost everybody at the power level is a thief - whether you talk about Khodorovsky or Putin friends. But obviously Putin would not put in jail his friends but the rivals and competitions.
The word "thief" in communistic system or ex-communistic system of Russia is the relative term.

Furthermore, Khodorkovskiy ordered to kill some of his opponents, thus, prison is a right place for this guy, and beyond the doubt he is not a dissident. As to Putin, he is president and fully defended by the Constitution of RF up to 2008. BTW, I never bribed for all my life...may be except traffic police.