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Post by Jaga on Nov 22, 2006 10:10:27 GMT -7
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Post by jimpres on Nov 22, 2006 10:18:05 GMT -7
Seems like most dictators have the same MO. Putin just has not been classified as one yet.
Jim
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Post by constantine on Nov 23, 2006 5:48:14 GMT -7
By poisoning. The most recent story is here: "I said, 'Alex, I received an alarm in the last few days from a source that you introduced to me,' " said Scaramella, a security expert. By his account, both of them discounted the threats, and Litvinenko said: " 'It's unbelievable. Don't worry about that.' " It's really unbelievable, I think that in last some months we are eye-witnesses of inspired company against Russian government. All this murders too evident and look like media events. Mr. Berezovsky (most rotten person I have ever knew), our ex-magnat is a real pupperteer.
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Post by bescheid on Nov 23, 2006 6:41:24 GMT -7
well it appears the body trail is beginning to show a pattern and warning, do not make known of personal feelings against the Russian goverment or bring cause to create displeasure to the leadership. Not sure of my memory at present. But, some how seem to remember of the recruitment practice of the now,{ FSB} was to appoint the people they wanted by certain personality traits. That being of very intelligent people with the appearence of bumplins. Other then the murder of Anna Politkovokaya, the remainder appear to have been poisoned as a seemingly favourite matter of the hit. Thought perhaps to add the following url for a bases of thought. exlibris.org.ua/murders/index.htmlCharles
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Post by kaima on Nov 23, 2006 9:42:46 GMT -7
I am still waiting to see if Bush finds any of his people answerable for the high treason and treachery of revealing the name of a US spy, Valerie Wilson Plame. I suspect this will go the same way OJ Simpson's search for his wife's murderer is going...
though as high treason this betraying of a US spy is far more important!
Kai
ps. corrected the name of the spy. Thanks Charles.
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Post by bescheid on Nov 23, 2006 20:25:00 GMT -7
I am still waiting to see if Bush finds any of his people answerable for the high treason and treachery of revealing the name of a US spy, Madeline Plame. I suspect this will go the same way OJ Simpson's search for his wife's murderer is going... though as high treason this is far more important! Kai Are by chance, your reference would be of {Valerie Wilson Plame} ex-wife of Ambassador {ex} Joseph Wilson? If so, well as you mentioned, probably a pay back situation for the inability of her former husbands ability to keep his mouth closed with his critical opinions of Bush {President}. Any embassy is by nature of centralized communications and location. Are usually the focused area for foreign intelligence transfer. Not sure, but, possible Valerie {Wilson} plame was classified under NOC {non-official cover status} meaning very good at her work. The best is yet to come with the criminal indictments of the white house gang of: Dick Chaney and staff. Primarily for obstruction of justice and making false statements. It will be interesting how the president and management will be able to justify the breakage of {Intelligence Identities Act 1982}. Not withstanding of Ms. Plame past effective performance, she has still violated the most important prerequisites of that of an Intelligence Officer, {{she got caught}}, the other prerequisites of performance deficiencies {{she had no escape plan for such an incident that she found her self in}}. I think as you have suggested as a{ hope not will happen}due to the hot rock nature of this situation. The best defense for those involved up to their ears, is to play for time for the currant presidency to expire, muddy up the stream with red herrings of useless informations of shadow people involved that exist only by unproven allegations of conjecture. Not important enough for expenditure of department bugetable funds, but, important enough not to let go. In other words, the work of the smoking man without a name. But who knows for sure between politics/religion/and who was hiding under the bedsheets. Charles
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Post by kaima on Nov 23, 2006 22:22:46 GMT -7
Thanks for the corretion on the name, Charles. I corrected it in the initial positing.
It is hard to believe that someone could put party loyalty so clearly ahead of loyalty to the country. Yet there has been no storm of protesst from the public, nor do I expect one now.
Kai
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Post by Eric on Dec 2, 2006 6:13:33 GMT -7
Do you really think the Russian government is to blame? If it were proven that the Kremlin ordered the poisoning, Russia would lose EVERYTHING, would be shunned as an outcast, the West would demand a revolution, and so on, and so forth. Putin and his government are not idiots - they realize the world would never tolerate such actions, and so such actions would not be ordered.
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Post by Jaga on Dec 2, 2006 9:04:24 GMT -7
Eric,
the history tells us that this could happen. Russian and earlier Soviet governments have their way to kill their enemies abroad.
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Post by Jaga on Dec 2, 2006 9:05:48 GMT -7
People in Russian forum stated that.... Litvinenko poisoned himself by mistake since he was working on preparing the dirty bomb.
The allegations are rather not true because Po-210 would not be a good material for dirty bomb. Dirty bomb would work the best with highly penetrating materials like gamma rays.
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Post by bescheid on Dec 2, 2006 10:09:01 GMT -7
People in Russian forum stated that.... Litvinenko poisoned himself by mistake since he was working on preparing the dirty bomb. The allegations are rather not true because Po-210 would not be a good material for dirty bomb. Dirty bomb would work the best with highly penetrating materials like gamma rays. Yes, Jaga, I do agree with your analysis of that situation. And yes, governments do accomplish what ever is necessary for self protection rather it be War, Politics, or possibly in this case, the safe guards of information protection. And Russia is no exception, if those on that particular forum are claiming other wise, then of course they are living in a fools paradise. Lavinenlo {Alexander} knew what the reality of his induction into the KGB would be. For it would be for life ending with his death, which has occurred, and this inturn released him. Lavinenlo was no exception from the rule of intelligence offices. It is a life by way of deception. What you read, will not be necessarily be true. What the press print, was given to them. Litvinenlo as a former KGB officer, even though publicly no longer with the intelligence community, but, perhaps this is not true.... In concerns to his recent {before the incident} meetings with some very ranking people. For there was a previous meeting with an undisclosed fellow Russian, then following this, a meeting with Lugovoy {Andrei} former body guard to Russian Prime Minister, Yegor Gaidar. Then his well known meeting with Mario Scaramella, whilst discussing the October murder of journalist {Anna Politkovskaya}. It would not be accidental that for his silence in trade, it would be much more beneficial for him to take his own life with this material placed at his disposal, or, to have a friend do the deed instead of that of an enemy. But to be disposed of for his critical public remarks of Putin is not in actual context with normal operations of his trade in life. More so of keeping information safe, by dieing with it, or worse. Who knows, Litvinenlo knows, but he is not talking, because he is dead. Charles
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Post by sciwriter on Dec 2, 2006 10:35:57 GMT -7
A spy is killed to keep him from talking. Livitenko's comments on TV may have been staged. Many espionage ospionage and "wet" (execution) operations are commited jointly by RussiaN & Western intelligence. I don't believe official intelligence "revelations."
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Post by Eric on Dec 5, 2006 4:20:46 GMT -7
People in Russian forum stated that.... Litvinenko poisoned himself by mistake since he was working on preparing the dirty bomb. The allegations are rather not true because Po-210 would not be a good material for dirty bomb. Dirty bomb would work the best with highly penetrating materials like gamma rays. We're finding out that this guy has had connections with the mafia, with Chechens (!), with practically every person under the sun who would want him dead. And we, of course, can't rule out that, in desperation, he simply poisoned himself and blamed Putin. I think this, actually, is the most likely option.
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Post by Jaga on Dec 5, 2006 8:52:32 GMT -7
Eric,
what about this woman - a journalist who was killed in front of her house some time ago, maybe two weeks before Litvinienko. Russian sercet service is very strong!
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Post by sciwriter on Dec 5, 2006 14:01:20 GMT -7
On-going in Russia since Ivan the terrible.
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